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[khyber]

Regarding the oft cited "greenland glaciers are moving fast"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4508964.stmRead and intellectually consider the sentence RIGHT after:

[sundubuman]

We'll see in 10 years time when this whole anthropogenic global warming hysteria will be but a distant memory.

Of course, by that time, governments and traders will be so knee-deep in carbon-trding taxes/schemes that they'll do everything within their power to hold on to the dream.

[sundubuman]

and regarding Glacier National...was there a few years ago, p[lenty of snow in summer...

news from this year..

http://www.missoulian.com/articles/2007/06/30/news/mtregional/news03.txt

�But the trail disappears pretty quickly as you leave the parking lot,� Hayden said. The Highline Trail and the boardwalk to Hidden Lake remain buried in winter, he said, �and I'm sure people will find more than enough to have a Fourth of July snowball fight.�

This year marks one of the latest openings of the Sun Road in history. The latest opening was July 10, 1943, when the road was allowed to melt out naturally. Crews were hard to find that season, with America's involvement in World War II.

In 2002, the route did not open over the pass until June 28, due to a record 8-foot snowfall in late May and early June.

The earliest opening was May 16, 1987. In an �average� year, the route opens toward the end of the first week in June, a full three weeks earlier than this year.

[sundubuman]

meanwhile in the Andes...

Wonder if all of those idiots who shelled out money for Al Gore's Live earth will find it in their hearts to help Andean children stay warm. This gets to the heart of the danger of the global warming industry. Tens of thousands of young people feel great that they did something for "Mother Earth". When in fact, they did absolutely NOTHING to help their fellow humans.

http://www.reliefweb.int/rw/fullMaps_Am.nsf/luFullMap/7F53B31F9BA6CAEEC12573090049B809/$File/ifrc_CW_per070628.pdf?OpenElement



Peru: Record-breaking cold in the Andes


Record-breaking cold threatens children high in the Andes mountains

High in the Andes mountains of Peru, children are used to cool temperatures. Even cold.

But no one remembers anything this cold.

The most severe cold weather on record�temperatures falling to below-zero extremes�is threatening the lives of thousands of children and pregnant mothers living in very remote, very poor highland communities.

Children are at immediate risk

Several weeks of severe cold weather have already claimed the lives of 55 children under the age of five. An alarming 6,000 cases of Pneumonia have been recorded so far.

But with winter set to last at least another 10 weeks, forecasters fear the worst of the weather is yet to come.

"Thousands of children are at immediate risk from exposure, hunger, and respiratory illnesses," warns Tom Miller, Plan's International Executive Director.

An urgent need for warmth

Today's extreme weather follows an unexpected and severe January and February that destroyed most of the crops in the region. This new cold spell has effectively finished off everything.

Food insecurity remains acute as extreme frosts and heavy snow continue to hit crops. Latest assessments show agricultural losses of 134,000 acres, and another 225,000 acres affected.

Farm animals are dying, too, depriving farmers of an important source of income and nutrition. The Ministry of Agriculture is preparing temporary animal shelters and forage in order to protect the livelihood of affected populations.

Schools have been given authority to modify timetables and classes in an attempt to avoid exposing the children to the harsh weather during the coldest hours of the day. School building renovations (doors, windows, and roofs) are underway.

As the temperatures continue to drop, risk of respiratory diseases grows. Antibiotics, anti-inflammatory and cough medicines are all in short supply.

There is an urgent need for warm clothing and medicines and we are calling on other agencies and governments to get involved before it is too late.

Plan has already carried out assessments of the areas affected and begun coordinating activities with Government Ministries and communities.

How you can help

Our next step is to distribute Plan �Survival Kits� to more than 10,000 children and pregnant women in the remote Andean communities.

The kits include a warm blanket, a wool poncho, a chuyo (woolly hat) and socks and will be provided to 95 affected communities around the city of Cusco.

As well as the distribution of Survival Kits, Plan is broadcasting urgent weather warnings and survival information messages using Peru's national radio system.

For $20 you can help keep a child warm

That's the cost of the Plan Survival Kit program for one affected child.

A contribution from you of just $20 will help one child survive this unusually cold weather. A gift of $40 can help two children. $100 can literally cover a whole family.

But please act now! Nights are brutally cold. Every minute counts.

[sundubuman]

and meanwhile, south of there in Chile

COLD FRONT PLAYS HAVOC WITH CHILE�S PRODUCE INDUSTRY

(July 17, 2007) Chile�s recent cold snap has hit farmers hard in Chile�s central valley area - Region VI through Region IV. Some farmers reporting crop losses of 50 percent and the situation is especially difficult in Chile�s Region IV, where local officials are considering declaring the area a disaster zone.

An estimated 40 percent of Region IV�s papaya, avocado, citrus and vegetable crops have been destroyed by the arctic weather, and 30 percent of its chirimoya (custard apple) crop.

�The Region IV farmers have started talking with the Agricultural Ministry and the regional government about possibly declaring the area a disaster zone,� said Juan Carlos Sep�lveda, the general manager of the Fruit Producers Federation (Fedefruta). �There were also discussions about farmers� concerns about loans and worker health and national government programs, which are intended to help farmers survive the types of agricultural losses which they are seeing now,�

Cristi�n S�ez, the Agriculture Ministry�s Regional Secretary, said the government is preparing to take action.

�The help we can provide has to do with the size of the crop damage (�) we need to find out the exact dimensions of the problem,� said S�ez. �We are doing everything in our power to identify the problems.�

A study late last week by the Institute for Agricultural Development (Indap) confirmed that the Central Valley�s tomato and avocado crops were especially hard hit, as well as northern Chile�s grape crops. The Region V towns of Petorca and Quillota lost almost one hundred percent of their avocado fields, said Indap director Hernan Rojas

Fruit and vegetable prices the national consumer market are expected to jump sharply due to reduced supplies.

�Prices hikes will definitely happen because we will go through a period without a normal supply of fruits and vegetables,� explained Sep�lveda. �But the market will adjust.�

Still, Agricultural Ministry spokesperson Cecilia Le�va urged shopkeepers to not speculate on fruit and vegetable prices. �There is a sufficient supply of fruits and vegetables to keep the prices from rising drastically,� said Leiva. �There will only be price increases associated with seasonal changes.�

The damage caused by the cold to Chile�s US$2.2 billion fresh fruit export industry is still being tallied, but is expected to be severe � adding yet another layer of problems to an already stressed industry.

[sundubuman]

and from the conclusion of an eminent Polish scientist...

http://www.mitosyfraudes.org/Ingles/Warm.html

The Known Consequences of Global Warming Hysteria

The man-made global warming hypothesis is far from being confirmed by observations, many of which suggest that it is false. Environmental daydreamers try to make it seem axiomatic that imaginary dangers of this warming should be remedied without waiting for proof. In fact, they ask that the scientific uncertainty should become a basis for worldwide regulation, which may enormously burden the people of the world, especially in developing countries. F.B. Cross, pro-fessor of business regulation at the University of Texas, warned that "the precautionary principle is deeply perverse in its implications for the environment and human welfare." 94 To fulfil their dreams, however, environmentalists are ready to pay any costs: to impoverish entire nations and thus endanger the environment; to destroy the industry created by the toil and sweat of their forefathers: and to strangle our civilization. It is astonishing how easily and credulously a large part of society, exposed to concentrated media manipulation, has accepted the global warming mythology. One can understand the psychological and social reasons for this acceptance. However, the actions of the United Nations Organization and many governments, leading the Earth�s community into an economic and civilizational disaster, on the ground of a wanton specter, do not seem responsible. Is it perhaps too much to ask politicians to act reasonably, instead of for selfish, short-term interests?

[pharflung]

Sundubuman, just out of curiosity, do you actually READ the other posts before rebutting them?

And do you actually READ the news articles before posting them?

I didn't see one word about an actual glacier in the Missoulian article. The fact that there's snow on the ground near the road in July does not have anything to do with whether there is still a glacier in the park. A glacier is not just a pile of snow left over from the winter.

I've seen patches of snow on the ground in parts of northern Alaska in July, but it wasn't a glacier. If you go up above treeline on a mountain, there may be patches of snow lingering through most or all of the summer. That doesn't make it a glacier.

Here is what the Encyclopedia Britannica has to say:

Glacier: any large mass of perennial ice that originates on land by the recrystallization of snow or other forms of solid precipitation and that shows evidence of past or present flow. A glacier occupying an extensive tract of relatively level land and exhibiting flow from the centre outward is commonly called an ice sheet.

Here is what Wikipedia says:

A glacier is a large, slow moving river of ice, formed from compacted layers of snow, that slowly deforms and flows in response to gravity. Glacier ice is the largest reservoir of fresh water on Earth, and second only to oceans as the largest reservoir of total water.

I think the latter is more accurate of the common usage. The compacting is one of the key characteristics. And normally, a glacier is huge, capable of gouging out entire mountain valleys, such as in Yosemite National Park -- see John Muir's writings.

While we're on the subject, have you ever actually seen a real glacier, Sundubuman?

I've seen them, touched them, walked on them, photographed them and written about them.

And one other thing. I take strong exception to your repeated rant that every company and every person in the so called "mainstream media" is part of some vast monolithic left-wing conspiracy led by Al Gore.

Having worked for several media corporations, I can say first hand that they are far more conservative than you claim. In fact, I have yet to work for a newspaper that any objective person could call liberal.

But then when one only reads what already agrees with one's preconceived notions of the world, and rejects everything else as the ravings of lunatic ignoramuses, one would not get a very accurate picture of the "mainstream media."

[sundubuman]

Whatever dude,

Did CNN cover the Australian cold???

The freezing children in the Andes???

Frozen crops in Chile????

Nope, but I sure was treated to worldwide coverage of Live Earth.

This isn't about your career in journalism dude. It's about truth.

Heck, just today one of the most covered stories was about a swimmer who swam in the Artic to highlight what?.........I was treated to an in depth interview of this fearless crusader for mother Earth, his training regimen, etc. all to highlight.....

Global Warming!!!!


Nothing of 55 kids in the Andes freezing to death though......

They don't fit the script. Wouldn't want to confuse the plebeians with widespread coverage of record cold. Better to spend ten minutes on some middle-aged white publicity seeking environmentalist who survives swimming in freezing water than the plight of Andean kids who are freezing to death.

[pharflung]

I will have to take your word for it. I'm afraid I didn't watch CNN today. Or yesterday. I might have watched it for awhile Friday. Sorry.

You do know that there are a wide range of newspapers, magazines, television and radio stations available through the Internet from the U.S., Canada, Britain, Australia, New Zealand, India, Japan, and elsewhere here in Korea, in English?

They may even have Fox News. They may have covered the stories you mentioned, if it weren't for the fact that they must also, by definition, be part of that vast left wing media conspiracy.

Oh by the way, did you get around to reading any of my earlier posts?

I did cite all of those stories you mentioned:

Pharflung:

[sundubuman]

yes I read them. And my lack of response speaks for itself.

[khyber]