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[mithridates]

[Jizzo T. Clown]

How anyone can still be a Bush supporter after everything he's done is just stupefying.

You must be the type to worship cardboard cutouts at a camp full of Jesus freaks.

Surely you're either blind, deaf, or incredibly idealistic. Thank God you're in the vast minority these days, but it's too little too late.

and to quote Forrest Gump:

"That's all I got to say about that."

[contrarian]

No WMDs per se were found. But Hussien actively calimed to have them - he amy have even believed it - because he was mislead by his own people.

[Demophobe]

The entire premise for taking America to war was a sham and remains so. Bush should not only be impeached, but face was crime charges.

It doesn't take Micheal More or anyone else to point these things out to us; the facts are clear and right in front of us, but we prefer not to look or wave it all off as some left-wing conspiracy theory.

One thing struck me watching Sicko; the English guy, the old guy, said something to the effect of how keeping a country uneducated, demoralized and fearful keeps the rabble in line. That, and how in many democracies, the government is afraid of the people, whereas in America, the opposite is true.

America is generally a total mess right now.

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[stevemcgarrett]

JizonClowns:

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Michael Moore's success is largely to do with his oh-so predictable short-comings. As has been admitted here already, though he may have identified a systematic failure of the American health care system, he does so as a polemicist. His style as the 'ordinary man-in-the-street' 'telling off' the 'big guys' is what gives him his notoriety but his brash, soap box style becomes a legitimate abhorrence for those who wish to argue against his politics, and, most unfortunately, for those with a genuine concern for what is good. For with it, he too looses the truth in the quest for power.

I expect the reason he is allowed on CNN at all is that he makes waves (pulls in the ratings) but that he can always be duped into just splashing about like an easily agitated sea creature. [Indeed, I assume it's common knowledge that one doesn't get onto TV unless one is predictable.] Just one comment and off he goes! Ranging all over the place with his big 'I'm speaking for the Great American People' ego..he's absolutely harmless because he exhausts himself and wastes his own time (not to mention that of the good american people he presumes to serve) with his own hubris.

The irritating thing is that he identifies a problem - the huge inequalities exemplified by the healthcare system - and then goes off on his loud-mouthed quest for influence, arguing over trifling statistics, ensnared in a dichotomy of 'us against them' that ultimately betray him and render him a pathetic spectacle.

He's a dream come true for those who want the status quo to endure, but also a real boon for those who just like to watch a fight; a win-win situation for 'live' TV. As such he is like one clothed in the raiment of a prophet but one who lacks a true vision of that which he speaks. in other words, he is more concerned with effect than with cause and that is what reduces him to a propagandist.

If he could identify the problem and then go to the source; get to the real ground of the problem, then he wouldn't get caught in the nets of those who like to see him get all angry (who are both seeming friend and foe).

Perhaps if he had thought about the essence of the problem would he really be revolutionary. Only then I'm sure we wouldn't see him on CNN.

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[Unposter]

If Jesus himself said there were problems with the American health system, ranked #37 in the world, just two rungs better than impoverished Cuba, would you believe it?

All this nit picking about weight, dress, culinary habbits, general demeanor, whatever... is just silly and counter productive and so many other things. It is like the Hollywood Access...

Does Moore have to be perfect? If he were superman himself would it be enough for you? Then, would he be OK?

Moore is one man trying to do something -- which is a lot better than most people on this planet. He is not a politician or a think tank. He is documentary maker and a journalist. He brings things to our attention. From my perspective, he does a pretty good job of it.

If Sicko were to be more balanced, what should he have addressed?

It is this urban myth started by conservative commentators after Farenheight (sp?) 911 that Moore is a liar and twister of facts that has gotten Moore all annoyed and ready to jump down CNN for two, a whopping two, which is a lot and amazing, wrong facts about his wrong facts in a two-minute piece. Considering that the worse thing CNN could come up with was that Moore uses, god forbid, more than one source for his facts, something Moore documents and is up front about, demonstrates the lengths that CNN went to discredit him. They even interview a guy who works for a think tank whose purpose is to protect the insurance companies and then mislabel him as an academic from Vanderbilt University and then deny it when Moore addresses this issue only later admitting their "error" that he resigned from the university a year ago. The level of the slant and deception of Gupta's piece was immense.

Gupta should have spoken for 15 seconds. It should have gone somthing like this:

While we could not find that any of Moore's statistic were wrong, he does use more than one source, usually selecting the statistics that best support his thesis. Moore says he tries to use the most up to date statistics and avoid conservative funded studies which he believes are biased. Still, for some of the most damaging statistics on the U.S. health care system, Moore uses the latest White House statistics. Considering this, you would think the Whitehouse would address this issue more prominantly as health has to be one of the most important domestic issues. Regardless of which statistics are used, most people who work on this issue believe there are significant problems with the U.S. health care system and it needs reform. The debate is mostly on how. Moore feels the government should take a stronger role in health care as all the countries that have been ranked higher than the U.S. have stronger government roles and regulations over their health care system than the U.S. Moore says that while this system is not 100% free, if you did not have any money, it cetainly would seem that way. Critics tend to support a free enterprise system to health care. They tend to show how in other industries, a freer market, as there has never been a truly free market, tends to regulate prices best. Moore says that profit motive, outside of supporting people's salaries is the problem, not the solution, in the U.S. health care system. Medical decisions are made on profit making considerations, not small profits, but multi-billion dollar profits, which significantly increase medical costs for Americans compared to all other industrialized nations. Now, if these profits were not costing people's lives, it would not matter. But these profits are being made on the the life and death decisions of American citizens, you and your family, and Moore says it is not right, other countries don't let HMO profits dictate medical decisions, and we could do better. At least that is the theme of his documentary. It is in theaters now if you would like to go see it. Now back to you Wolf Blitzer.

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