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peppermint
Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.
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| Masta_Don wrote: |
| East Asia, where the second type of marriage is more common, has lower divorce rates. There could be other factors but it seems to me that living as housemates while sharing expenses wouldn't be that hard to deal with. |
care to back that up? |
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Atavistic
Joined: 22 May 2006
Location: How totally stupid that Korean doesn't show in this area.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 5:27 am Post subject: |
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| princess wrote: |
The fat, ugly girl probably has a rich family.  Quite sad actually, for both parties. |
Why is it sad? Feeling in love doesn't last forever, so once that feeling's gone how does a relationship stay together? When a marriage is made as a partnership between two families it's much easier to stay together as a symbiotic relationship. East Asia, where the second type of marriage is more common, has lower divorce rates. There could be other factors but it seems to me that living as housemates while sharing expenses wouldn't be that hard to deal with. |
1) I thought the divorce rate in South Korea was about 50%. Pretty damn high.
2) Can you find any stats that somehow account for the varied legal statuses (?) of women in East Asia compared to the West? When people weren't allowed to no-fault divorce, divorce rates were lower in the West, too.
3) You've obviously never lived with an ex have you? "Wouldn't be that hard to deal with?" Yeah right. |
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Atavistic
Joined: 22 May 2006
Location: How totally stupid that Korean doesn't show in this area.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 5:27 am Post subject: |
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| jessie-b wrote: |
| ...she wondered why women would ever get married in the first place... |
This is a very good question. |
Cause most women want babies. |
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jessie-b
Joined: 17 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 6:15 am Post subject: |
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| Well, that is changing...the birth rate is very low here. Part of that is because it is so expensive to raise a child but also because less people want to have babies. My student said she didn't want children. That could change, but a lot of my friends who knew they didn't want to have babies when we were in high school, still don't in their twenties and thirties. |
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Atavistic
Joined: 22 May 2006
Location: How totally stupid that Korean doesn't show in this area.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 7:15 am Post subject: |
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| jessie-b wrote: |
| Well, that is changing...the birth rate is very low here. Part of that is because it is so expensive to raise a child but also because less people want to have babies. My student said she didn't want children. That could change, but a lot of my friends who knew they didn't want to have babies when we were in high school, still don't in their twenties and thirties. |
Yes I know the birth rate is low and I know some people don't want babies. BUT even having one baby outside of marriage is hard anywhere and especially scandalous in South Korea. And people still have babies even if they don't want them cause they're expected. Expected within a marriage. A marriage that better happen by the time you're what, 27, 29, 30 Korean age if you're female?
I don't want babies, but I do want to be married one day. But still MOST women want babies and in Korea, that means marriage. |
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Masta_Don
Joined: 17 Aug 2006
Location: Hyehwa-dong, Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 9:18 am Post subject: |
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| peppermint wrote: |
| Masta_Don wrote: |
| East Asia, where the second type of marriage is more common, has lower divorce rates. There could be other factors but it seems to me that living as housemates while sharing expenses wouldn't be that hard to deal with. |
care to back that up? |
Can't find anything since 1996 so I guess not. |
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HapKi
Joined: 10 Dec 2004
Location: TALL BUILDING-SEOUL
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| Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arranged_marriage
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Lower divorce rates
Though this factor has been under-researched, many proponents of arranged marriages attribute near zero percent divorce rates (to somewhere around 4% suspected) to couple that have had arranged marriages (in contrast to a 50% divorce rate for the US).[1] In India, the divorce rate is very low, even in love-marriages (although for love marriages the divorce rate is higher than for arranged marriages[citation needed]). This is often attributed to the fact that couples who enter into arranged marriages (in contrast to forced marriages where there is a higher risk of domestic violence/dispute) are usually more "traditional" and less likely to forfeit a marriage.
This reinforces the contention that for Eastern societies (India, Pakistan and Middle East in particular), marriage is a vehicle for societal and economic aggrandisement. |
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Dysupes
Joined: 24 May 2005
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I think your wikipedia link needs to do a bit more research into the subject. While the incidence of divorce among arranged marriages may be lower cultures that traditionally insist or push for arranged "socially mobile" marriages are usually those that also have low standards of marital equality. India is a horrible example for you to use in this case due to the widely recognized fact that arranged marriages in India have frighteningly high levels of spousal abuse going on. Because of the traditional system, many women are kept prisoner by their husbands and their husband's family and it is not a rare occurrance for the husband to kill off the wife so that he can re-marry and climb the social ladder just a little bit more.
To be clear, I'm not talking about the more modern and bigger cities in India although the fuss made over Richard Gere's kiss with that Indian actress a few months ago shows how conservative India still is. What I am saying though is that these arranged marriages, which are still prevalent in large parts of India (and which are being actively fought by the government and outside NGOs), should not be used to support arguments that arranged marriages end up in divorce less than love marriages because there does not exist the gender equality within the marriage to make divorce an option for those who would gladly choose it.
As a side note, there was a social worker last year or the year before who was beaten very, very badly for working against arranged marriages in rural India. She advocated allowing the people (some of whom are "married" at VERY young ages) some freedom to choose their marriage partners. She was beaten for this though she bravely said in interviews that she gave while in the hospital recovering that she will gladly go out and try again once she's better because people, especially women, need to know that they have power over their own marriagea and their own lives. |
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