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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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 Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:42 pm Post subject: The epic narcissism of Cindy Sheehan |
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The epic narcissism of Cindy Sheehan
Niall Stanage
July 18, 2007 10:00 PM
http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/niall_stanage/2007/07/the_epic_narcissism_of_cindy_s.html
Even the American left's netroots are getting tired of Cindy Sheehan. It's a shame it took them so long.
Sheehan, the epic narcissist who became the face of the anti-war movement, has been banned from posting any further entries on Daily Kos, arguably the most influential of all liberal blogs in the US.
The Kossacks have pulled the plug on Sheehan because of her threat to challenge the speaker of the House of Representatives, Democrat Nancy Pelosi, for her congressional seat.
Sheehan has said she will decide on July 23 whether to go ahead with her attempt to oust Pelosi - who is, incidentally, about as liberal as congressional Democrats get - from her San Francisco district. "Democrats and Americans feel betrayed by the Democratic leadership," Sheehan recently proclaimed with her customary certitude.
As most people know, Sheehan came to prominence in summer 2005 when she set up camp outside President Bush's Texas ranch. She demanded to meet the president to discuss the death of her son, army specialist Casey Sheehan. He was killed in Iraq in April 2004.
It would be inhumane not to feel sympathy for Cindy Sheehan's loss. But it would also be softheaded to ignore the numerous inconsistencies, self-aggrandisements and missteps that have characterized her behaviour.
Sheehan's initial demands to meet Bush, and her escalating criticisms of him, had a peculiar genesis. Sheehan in fact had already met Bush before she rolled up to the ranch. Interviewed by a local newspaper after the early encounter, she restrained herself to rather mild criticisms of the war's conduct. Of Bush himself, she said he was "sincere" about wanting freedom for the Iraqi people. "I know he's sorry and feels some pain for our loss," she added.
That seems a rather circumspect judgment on a man she would later denounce as "the Fuhrer" and the biggest terrorist in the world.
Less than two months ago, Sheehan announced her "resignation" from the anti-war movement. "I am finished working in, or outside of this system," she wrote. She told the Associated Press: "When we come back, it definitely won't be with the peace movement with marches, with rallies and with protests."
She is currently in the middle of a march.
A more sinister example of Sheehan's slipperiness came back in 2005. A row erupted over an email in Sheehan's name which contained remarks that, even taking the most forgiving possible interpretation, were suggestive of anti-Semitism. The best reporting on the furore came on Slate, and it hardly coved Sheehan in glory.
All of these events, though, pale into insignificance beside Sheehan's overarching trait: her apparently boundless hubris. Her basic position appears to be that, since she has lost a son in the war in Iraq, every pronouncement she makes about that war, or about the wider world, must axiomatically be correct.
Bereavement is no guarantee of wisdom. Yet Sheehan has been encouraged in her conceits, not just by opportunistic figures on the far left but by media icons, including America's most-overrated columnist, Maureen Dowd.
"The moral authority of parents who bury children killed in Iraq is absolute," Dowd declared in a 2005 column.
Is the moral authority of bereaved parents who believe the war was justified, or who continue to support Bush, similarly unimpeachable? Dowd was silent on this point, though her views can easily be guessed at. Sheehan, for her part, described such parents as "brainwashed". "They know the pain and heartache and they should not wish it on another," Sheehan scolded.
The inference - that anyone who disagreed with her could be motivated only by cruelty - was breathtaking in its presumptuousness.
Presumptuousness, though, is yet another signature Sheehan trait. Like so many people at both ends of the political spectrum, she apparently believes that centrist positions can only be arrived at through cowardice, ideological corruption or bad faith.
She has compared Hillary Clinton to the ultra-conservative talk show host Rush Limbaugh and has asserted that "there must be an underlying shady reason" for Pelosi's disinclination to bring impeachment proceedings against the president.
In her resignation letter back in May, Sheehan vented at a nation that seemed too slow to bow down before her in gratitude. "I have invested everything I have in trying to bring peace with justice to a country that wants neither," she lamented.
Perhaps her compatriots were reluctant to follow a woman whose desperate drive for self-publicity extended to stretching out on her son's grave for a glossy Vanity Fair photoshoot.
Cindy Sheehan is a self-styled sanctimonious didact. May her second retirement come swiftly, and may it last a lot longer than the first. |
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dogbert
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| Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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| The woman lost her son in an unjust and illegal war. She's understandably come unhinged. Cut her some slack. |
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wannago
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| Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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| dogbert wrote: |
| The woman lost her son in an unjust and illegal war. She's understandably come unhinged. Cut her some slack. |
Would it make a difference if you thought she lost her son in a just and legal war?
No, its not "understandable." She has let herself become a tool of the left. She ceased being the pitiable, grieving mother and became a loud-mouth, all the while using her son's unfortunate death as a means to make money. She's just as despicable as the, "unjust and illegal war" that you keep crying about. |
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Satori
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| Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 5:32 am Post subject: |
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She's just as despicable as the, "unjust and illegal war" that you keep crying about.
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Absurd. How many people has she killed? |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 6:29 am Post subject: |
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| Saddam Hussein killed 300,000 Iraqis , that doesn't include his wars with Kuwait or Iran. He would have killed many more than that were he not contained. The US could not contain Saddam forever. So taking down Saddam also saved lives -remember his sons were coming up next. Lives saved cause of US actions count too. |
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cbclark4
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The exit strategy should be swift, at least as swift as the entrance.
Maliki has called for the US to withdraw, it's time to go.
Cindy Sheehan is a real shame on her son's memory. |
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The_Conservative
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| Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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| dogbert wrote: |
| The woman lost her son in an unjust and illegal war. She's understandably come unhinged. Cut her some slack. |
She's been cut a LOT of slack extending to actually meeting the President. How many families who have lost someone in the war have done that?
And creating a fake grave/cemetery to her son for a photo shoot does not suggest grieving mother in the slightest. |
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wannago
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| Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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She's just as despicable as the, "unjust and illegal war" that you keep crying about.
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Absurd. How many people has she killed? |
Who knows? It's beside the point anyway. She has used her son's death, as he was serving his country, to make money and thrust herself in the public eye for her own benefit. THAT is despicable. |
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jkelly80
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| Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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| wannago wrote: |
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Absurd. How many people has she killed? |
Who knows? |
Would you care to explain those two words? What a ridiculous question.
"Who knows?" What an incredibly foolish thing to say. |
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dogbert
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| Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| Saddam Hussein killed 300,000 Iraqis , that doesn't include his wars with Kuwait or Iran. He would have killed many more than that were he not contained. The US could not contain Saddam forever. So taking down Saddam also saved lives -remember his sons were coming up next. Lives saved cause of US actions count too. |
I don't care.
I will not raise a son to be sacrificed for the lives of a bunch of far-away Arabs who have no appreciation of the effort anyway. |
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dogbert
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| Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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| The_Conservative wrote: |
| dogbert wrote: |
| The woman lost her son in an unjust and illegal war. She's understandably come unhinged. Cut her some slack. |
She's been cut a LOT of slack extending to actually meeting the President. How many families who have lost someone in the war have done that?
And creating a fake grave/cemetery to her son for a photo shoot does not suggest grieving mother in the slightest. |
As I said, the woman has gone nuts.
It's best for all, left and right, pro- and anti-war, to simply ignore her and let her fade from vision. |
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ChimpumCallao
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Ahhh, Mama Moonbat. I think she's a nutter- but to be honest, I think my stance on this whole thing would be consdired pretty left wing.
First of all, this woman lost her boy in a completely pointless war that we are losing. Someone said would it matter if it had been a 'just' war?
F-ing A! Absolutely. Losing your son is just about the most horrible thing that can happen to a human being- Losing your son over NOTHING- over absolutely NOTHING must be even worse.
At least parents in other wars could have the paltry comfort, or at least the deception that their boys were doing what they could to save us from the commies, Nazis, or at least they were retaliating an attack from a known enemy (Japan).
The Iraq war was pointless from the get-go and the lives lost have been lost for nothing. Sheehan knows her son died for nothing. I cannot imagine a mother's love for her son, but if i knew that my son died for absolutely NOTHING- i might become a little batty too.
I really can't criticize her. Now on to her challanging Nancy.
The democrats were elected under a very specific platform- GET US THE HELL OUT OF IRAQ. And what did they do? They further confirmed their pussified status by doing nothing. I can understand Sheehan's completele disgust- I am disgusted at the Dems too- my god they are a bunch of douchebags- even with a 70% dissaproval rate of the war they were still too pansy to do anything about it. Disgusting.
SO I say, go ahead and challange Nancy- she has failed in doing the one thing most Americans wanted her to do. Im sure Sheehan must feel pretty used by the Dems- heralded as a champion of the anti-war movement by them, and then completely ignored when they are put in power.
She is a batty old broad- but quite justified. Welcome to the world of politics, Mama Moonbat. |
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wannago
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| Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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Absurd. How many people has she killed? |
Who knows? |
Would you care to explain those two words? What a ridiculous question.
"Who knows?" What an incredibly foolish thing to say. |
You're right. Only she knows how many people she has killed. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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| dogbert wrote: |
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| Saddam Hussein killed 300,000 Iraqis , that doesn't include his wars with Kuwait or Iran. He would have killed many more than that were he not contained. The US could not contain Saddam forever. So taking down Saddam also saved lives -remember his sons were coming up next. Lives saved cause of US actions count too. |
I don't care.
I will not raise a son to be sacrificed for the lives of a bunch of far-away Arabs who have no appreciation of the effort anyway. |
That was a response to him arguing against the war on moral groumds.
9-11 happend cause the mideast is the way it is. The main reason for terror is that mideast regimes and elites teach hate and incite violence.
Change the mideast and the terror will stop. Or at least get mideast regimes to stop teaching hate , inciting violence and get them to kill the supporters of Al Qaeda and Jihad international . They can do it if they choose to.
Iraq gives the US military bases from where the US can project power against mideast regimes. Mideast regimes control their security services and what their media and clerics say.
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Satori
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| Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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| wannago wrote: |
| jkelly80 wrote: |
| wannago wrote: |
| Satori wrote: |
Absurd. How many people has she killed? |
Who knows? |
Would you care to explain those two words? What a ridiculous question.
"Who knows?" What an incredibly foolish thing to say. |
You're right. Only she knows how many people she has killed. |
Since you`re playing dumb lets just get too things straight, she hasn`t killed anyone, and you`re a drooling imbecile ... |
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