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ED209
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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Nice story The Eye, I'm going to keep these for the next time kids ask me to tell a ghost story.
We are limited to your account of the story as fact and not urban legend. But anyway I'll assume your account of the events are true and have not been embellished. This includes the assumption that the boy exited the house via the front door and that the police didn't miss any prints from a near by window. It is also very easy to set up a door to close with furniture leaning against it thus making it difficult to reopen. Don't underestimate the energy of 10-11 year olds, I was shifting furniture at this age, it's fairly easy to tip a sofa or cabinet, I can't imagine many things I couldn't move at that age. A child left home alone gets up to all kinds of crap, case in point watch 'Home Alone'! All I see is a bored child seeking attention, the skeleton in the cellar well many bodies have been found in house not haunted so the connection isn't that clear.
or it was a ghost... |
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gyopogirlfromtexas
Joined: 21 Apr 2007
Location: Austin,Texas
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| Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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They said there were always things that had 'gone missing', or were 'moved'. It always seemed to be toys, or knicknacks on dislplay, so they really never thought twice about it.
Sometimes they found the missing items in their unfinished, unused basement. The only reason they would ever go down there was to fix something. The kid never played down there because it was dirty and dark, and there were no video games.
The house was built in the 1800's, 3 1/2 massive stories, tiled roof that had an intricate pattern. It was gorgeous. A work of art. It had more than 20 rooms, 12 foot ceiling clearance, thick wood trim inside. And a nice big white cross on the peak of the roof. 
The sprawling yard was enclosed by a high iron and brick wall, and iron gate.
It was a nunnery way, way back. A home for unwed mothers, back in the day.
After this incident, the kid was always getting woken up at night. He grew terrified to go to sleep.
Eventually they had to move. New people moved in and they tried to remodel the basement.
To make a long story shorter, they found a child's skeleton buried under the floor in the basement. It dated back more than a century. |
I figured it was a little kid because of the toys. I watch lot of those real haunted homes shows on TLC, and they say ghosts are tricksters. They like to mess with your things, and relocate them. It seems like the spirit always comes from basements too. Probably meaning they are physically buried somewhere under the house. I'm glad they found the body and hopefully gave him a proper burial. Did it stop after the burial? Maybe he was hinting for people to find him, so he can rest in peace. I also hear from the ghost shows, that the ghosts show up because they want someone to help them solve their problems, or they feel that they have unresolved issues.
Sometimes, they don't show up until you start renovating. That's one of the reasons they pop up. They don't like it because they want you to leave it how it was when they used lived there. I guess you are ruining their fond memories by doing that.
This one haunted places episode on TLC scared me so much. It's about how this guy was living in this old mansion, and one day he went to the basement to rearrange some things, and also changed a few things about the house. Then that night, he heard loud thumping sounds running up from the basement, all the way upstairs to his room. Whatever that thing was, it was mad and was banging the door. He opened the door to run out of the house. The cops came and the house was a mess too, like you described, and it was freezing in there.
Anyways, a priest heard about the incident and offered to bless it, and the physical rampage stopped. But he began hearing whispering sounds. He eventually moved out even though it couldn't get physical with him anymore, it kept talking. Sometimes I don't know if I've been brainwashed all these years about religion. But if a priest can get rid of evil spirits, there must be something about religion. Although, I'm not sure of the existence of the other side. But I don't dismiss that it can't exist at all, because I haven't experienced it. |
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the eye
Joined: 29 Jan 2004
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| Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, we all thought my Dad was yanking our chains. Then we noticed how he was shaking when he told us what he saw.
Part 2.
I saved this pending a reply such as ED209's.
The new owners had the skeleton removed and remodeled the basement. They too, noticed things missing / moved requently. They had no kids. Rich yuppies.
Soon, their two sheepdogs were found dead on the front lawn at the same time.
Lights would go out when they entered rooms.
One Sunday evening my family and I were eating dinner, and we were admiring an awesome sunset. Coincidentally, the neighbor's house was in the same view.
Attention wavered between dinner, and the odd glance ouside. My sister suddenly said "Who are they?"
She was pointing to human figures in long grey robes and hoods. They stood in a ring, around the neighbor's house, placed about 10m apart. They were all facing the house and were completely motionless and silent.
My whole family saw them. Then some movement came from SOME of the windows of the house, which were open. There seemed to be a gust of wind coming out of the windows, as the drapes blew outwards.
After I noticed the drapes, the robed figures were gone.
It was just a few seconds. We were glancing periodically out the window, so they weren't there long before we looked.
We all looked at each other over the kitchen table for a second and tried to come up with a plausible explanation for what we saw in those few seconds.
We asked the neighbor what the hell he was doing, or if he saw what we saw. We all had a nice freak out when he admitted it was the same evening they had a 'medium' in the house to try and get the unwanted guest(s) to leave.
Nothing ever happened again, unless you count the time the neigbor was bound and gagged and put in the trunk of his Rolls Royce, and driven to a park while the abductors returned to the house to rob him.
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ED209
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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| gyopogirlfromtexas wrote: |
This one haunted places episode on TLC scared me so much. It's about how this guy was living in this old mansion, and one day he went to the basement to rearrange some things, and also changed a few things about the house. Then that night, he heard loud thumping sounds running up from the basement, all the way upstairs to his room. Whatever that thing was, it was mad and was banging the door. He opened the door to run out of the house. The cops came and the house was a mess too, like you described, and it was freezing in there.
Anyways, a priest heard about the incident and offered to bless it, and the physical rampage stopped. But he began hearing whispering sounds. He eventually moved out even though it couldn't get physical with him anymore, it kept talking. Sometimes I don't know if I've been brainwashed all these years about religion. But if a priest can get rid of evil spirits, there must be something about religion. Although, I'm not sure of the existence of the other side. But I don't dismiss that it can't exist at all, because I haven't experienced it. |
I don't dismiss it 100% rather 99.9 reoccurring.
Anyway ever had a dodgy heater, those things make an angry sound as do animals that are trapped.
Old houses generally have poor insulation especially when you run out leaving the door open.
People hear whispers all the time, it's normal. Especially if you've convinced yourself there's a ghost in the house(what's that Casper? Yes I'm telling her that).
On your last point about the priest. Many religions claim to exorcise ghosts, if the ghost wasn't Christian would a priest have worked? In China or Japan they'd have called a Buddhist priest to cleanse the scene and it would have worked just the same. Maybe ghosts are atheists averse to all religion, "Agh! even in death they come knocking on my door, I'm off!" |
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JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, we all thought my Dad was yanking our chains. Then we noticed how he was shaking when he told us what he saw.
Part 2.
I saved this pending a reply such as ED209's.
The new owners had the skeleton removed and remodeled the basement. They too, noticed things missing / moved requently. They had no kids. Rich yuppies.
Soon, their two sheepdogs were found dead on the front lawn at the same time.
Lights would go out when they entered rooms.
One Sunday evening my family and I were eating dinner, and we were admiring an awesome sunset. Coincidentally, the neighbor's house was in the same view.
Attention wavered between dinner, and the odd glance ouside. My sister suddenly said "Who are they?"
She was pointing to human figures in long grey robes and hoods. They stood in a ring, around the neighbor's house, placed about 10m apart. They were all facing the house and were completely motionless and silent.
My whole family saw them. Then some movement came from SOME of the windows of the house, which were open. There seemed to be a gust of wind coming out of the windows, as the drapes blew outwards.
After I noticed the drapes, the robed figures were gone.
It was just a few seconds. We were glancing periodically out the window, so they weren't there long before we looked.
We all looked at each other over the kitchen table for a second and tried to come up with a plausible explanation for what we saw in those few seconds.
We asked the neighbor what the hell he was doing, or if he saw what we saw. We all had a nice freak out when he admitted it was the same evening they had a 'medium' in the house to try and get the unwanted guest(s) to leave.
Nothing ever happened again, unless you count the time the neigbor was bound and gagged and put in the trunk of his Rolls Royce, and driven to a park while the abductors returned to the house to rob him. |
Sorry all this adds up to is that you saw robed figures from a distance for an instance. Now I don't know the geography, weather or lighting but it is very possible that there is a natural explanation. The medium being there could easily be a coincidence. Add to this the fact that after the fitst incident you were expecting to see strange things. I'm not sure how this adds up to the boy in basement part either. What is the connection between a dead boy and a large number of hooded ghosts in grey robes.
Two sheepdogs dying is terrible, we own sheepdogs as well and they by far my favorite dog(collies not the english sheepdog). I would say some absolute piece of crap poisoned them. Or it could have been the adductors eliminating the dogs before their planned attack. |
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the eye
Joined: 29 Jan 2004
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| Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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That's piss poor skepticism, JMO.
WE saw robed figures from about 50m away. The lighting was fine. 4 people saw the same thing.
We were expecting NOTHING. We were talking, eating and watching the sunset / pink sky.
The prior incidents didn't even cross our minds at the time. We all thought the neighbors were doing something kooky.
The fact that there is some distinct connection to the basement skeleton is your own conclusion. But perhaps they were dead nuns? I dunno, but I know what I saw and I get chills talking about it to this day.
The sheepdogs were found dead a good year before the house was robbed.
Seems like a lot of coincidences you are submitting as an explanation here. |
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gyopogirlfromtexas
Joined: 21 Apr 2007
Location: Austin,Texas
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| Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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The new owners had the skeleton removed and remodeled the basement. They too, noticed things missing / moved requently. They had no kids. Rich yuppies.
She was pointing to human figures in long grey robes and hoods. They stood in a ring, around the neighbor's house, placed about 10m apart. They were all facing the house and were completely motionless and silent.
My whole family saw them. Then some movement came from SOME of the windows of the house, which were open. There seemed to be a gust of wind coming out of the windows, as the drapes blew outwards.
After I noticed the drapes, the robed figures were gone.
It was just a few seconds. We were glancing periodically out the window, so they weren't there long before we looked.
We all looked at each other over the kitchen table for a second and tried to come up with a plausible explanation for what we saw in those few seconds.
We asked the neighbor what the hell he was doing, or if he saw what we saw. We all had a nice freak out when he admitted it was the same evening they had a 'medium' in the house to try and get the unwanted guest(s) to leave.
Nothing ever happened again, unless you count the time the neigbor was bound and gagged and put in the trunk of his Rolls Royce, and driven to a park while the abductors returned to the house to rob him. |
Sorry about the dogs. I had a beautiful Alaskan husky with blue eyes, and some stupid woman who always inspected our house, like she plans on robbing us in the future, poisoned him. My neighbor saw her do it and told us when we got home.
Anyways, back on topic, your figures sound like the druids. They did a lot of sacrifices, and could make things happen whenever they wanted, like make it rain all of a sudden. I also saw this on TLC about haunted castles, where this guy was sleeping on this couch and saw 2 robed men looking down on him. But he was being lifted up in midair, almost close to the ceiling. They looked at him as if they were telling him that they can do anything they want with him. I know just because I saw this on documentaries of hauntings on tv, doesn't necessarily make it real, but maybe it could be? That is crazy, because at first, I thought they were monks. But were too evil looking.
So whatever was in the house, "continued" to replace things? I thought things stop after they are found and given a burial? Well, I'm off to San Antonio for the weekend. I've always wondered why people claim that San Antonio is the one of the most haunted places in the country, yet I have never even seen a single ghost there. Hopefully, I see something at The Alamo or River Walk this weekend, although I seriously doubt it. |
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JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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That's piss poor skepticism, JMO.
WE saw robed figures from about 50m away. The lighting was fine. 4 people saw the same thing.
We were expecting NOTHING. We were talking, eating and watching the sunset / pink sky.
The prior incidents didn't even cross our minds at the time. We all thought the neighbors were doing something kooky.
The fact that there is some distinct connection to the basement skeleton is your own conclusion. But perhaps they were dead nuns? I dunno, but I know what I saw and I get chills talking about it to this day.
The sheepdogs were found dead a good year before the house was robbed. |
Well your original report was pretty vague. 50 m away 4 people saw the same thing for you said 2 or 3 seconds. There still could be natural explanation for this. seeing what you thought to be grey robed figures at 50 m doesn't mean that there were. Indeed your sister saying "who are they?" could have prompted you to think they were people/figures. I wasn't there and I didn't see, but anecdotal evidence is not good evidence. Especially when you saw something for a few seconds. I'm not saying they are not ghosts just that it is very possible that they weren't.
You said this was part 2. Does that not imply a connection in your mind to the first incident?
edit: if it was sunset, that means the sky was darkening? |
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the eye
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| Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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In retrospect, yes, I see a connection between incidents. But at the time of seeing the robed figures, we were just dumbfounded.
It was about 7:30 in August, so it wasn't really dark yet.
We thought the neighbors were having a summer party that was getting weird.
I also saw a strong wind blow the drapes out of more than one open window, on two floors. Yet, there was no wind blowing their robes, or the trees around them. It was a calm summer evening.
I know this because we all stared out the window waiting for something else to happen. We waited and talked, and tried to explain what we saw.
I just remember how motionless everything was.
After that day, the years of missing items and turned off lights ended. |
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JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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In retrospect, yes, I see a connection between incidents. But at the time of seeing the robed figures, we were just dumbfounded.
It was about 7:30 in August, so it wasn't really dark yet.
We thought the neighbors were having a summer party that was getting weird.
I also saw a strong wind blow the drapes out of more than one open window, on two floors. Yet, there was no wind blowing their robes, or the trees around them. It was a calm summer evening.
I know this because we all stared out the window waiting for something else to happen. We waited and talked, and tried to explain what we saw.
I just remember how motionless everything was.
After that day, the years of missing items and turned off lights ended. |
Well I don't know what happened but it seems interesting. Would love to have seen it myself. Obviously I believe there was probably a natural explantation but I wouln't rule out ghost druids . More proof would be needed to establish that though. Any of them leave behind a sickle:)
btw i know u didn't say they were druids..just joking. |
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ED209
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| Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, we all thought my Dad was yanking our chains. Then we noticed how he was shaking when he told us what he saw.
Part 2.
I saved this pending a reply such as ED209's.
The new owners had the skeleton removed and remodeled the basement. They too, noticed things missing / moved requently. They had no kids. Rich yuppies.
Soon, their two sheepdogs were found dead on the front lawn at the same time.
Lights would go out when they entered rooms. |
Did the lights ever go out when they didn't enter the room? Kinda like how do the fridge light goes out. Did they call an electrician, they are very good at solving these kind of problems. Although bad electricians are good at causing these problems.
Sad about the dogs. Was there an autopsy, most vets can test for poisoning which I suspect this was. or maybe a suicide pact.
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One Sunday evening my family and I were eating dinner, and we were admiring an awesome sunset. Coincidentally, the neighbor's house was in the same view.
Attention wavered between dinner, and the odd glance ouside. My sister suddenly said "Who are they?"
She was pointing to human figures in long grey robes and hoods. They stood in a ring, around the neighbor's house, placed about 10m apart. They were all facing the house and were completely motionless and silent.
My whole family saw them. Then some movement came from SOME of the windows of the house, which were open. There seemed to be a gust of wind coming out of the windows, as the drapes blew outwards.
After I noticed the drapes, the robed figures were gone.
It was just a few seconds. We were glancing periodically out the window, so they weren't there long before we looked. |
First do you live near a college campus, this sounds like Delta Omega One to me? Haunted house attract all kinds of weirdos, I should I know me and my mates used to visit them all the time. You may have pagans not ghosts which despite what gyopogirl might believe don't control the weather.
Secondly drapes will move quite a bit as wind blows in and out of a house changes in air pressure will cause drafts that you wouldn't find in an open area. Also the robes could have been made from heavier material.
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We all looked at each other over the kitchen table for a second and tried to come up with a plausible explanation for what we saw in those few seconds.
We asked the neighbor what the hell he was doing, or if he saw what we saw. We all had a nice freak out when he admitted it was the same evening they had a 'medium' in the house to try and get the unwanted guest(s) to leave.
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So you couldn't find a natural reason and had to go with original assumption which was ghosts?
Again not saying they weren't, it's difficult to examine/refute/debunk a case that is anecdotal and lacking any evidence. However the events you describe are interesting in that they are spooky, but they can be explained with natural causes. |
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ED209
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| Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 11:34 pm Post subject: |
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After that day, the years of missing items and turned off lights ended. |
Actually I find that stranger, no missing keys,socks,earrings,CDs,books or other stuff. It's quite normal to lose stuff. And no lose fittings or blown light bulbs, even stranger. Unless they don't have a sofa, hand wash their socks, and switched to energy saving bulbs. |
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JMO
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| First do you live near a college campus, this sounds like Delta Omega One to me |
People do this in real life? I wish I went to an american Uni, it sounds like alot of fun. |
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the eye
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| Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 4:11 am Post subject: |
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| Did the lights ever go out when they didn't enter the room? Kinda like how do the fridge light goes out. Did they call an electrician, they are very good at solving these kind of problems. Although bad electricians are good at causing these problems. |
Whether the tree fell and no one heard it is moot. There was a frequency of lights going out in any part of the house that was occupied.
Yes, they called an electrician. The house was old and they thought the wiring was decaying. The electrician replaced some things but the problem persisted.
The house was eventually checked by an electric inspector, but he couldn't find any problems.
In fact, i remember the neighbor telling us the inspector wished houses were still built like that.
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I lived in a very rural community. Kids with toilet paper and graffiti paint were unheardof. The houses were too far apart. Never had mailboxes played with, either. The nearest college campus was at least 1 hour away.
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| Secondly drapes will move quite a bit as wind blows in and out of a house changes in air pressure will cause drafts that you wouldn't find in an open area. Also the robes could have been made from heavier material. |
Plausible, but this is a MASSIVE house. And the windows were massive as well. I suspect your theory is not valid. Ever try blowing air into an inflatable raft? Also, the trees were quite still and we watched for quite a while after it happened.
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Yep. Considering everything that happened. The strange thing about the robed figure occurance is that i didn't WANT to believe it was paranormal. I wanted to find a normal reason. Those figures were so real, so material. They looked simply like people in robes. I felt i could touch them or shout at them and they would react. At the same time, i felt very familiar to them.. like it was not such a strange thing to see. Then, they were gone.
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| Again not saying they weren't, it's difficult to examine/refute/debunk a case that is anecdotal and lacking any evidence. However the events you describe are interesting in that they are spooky, but they can be explained with natural causes. |
Like what? You haven't even come close.
And, regarding the missing items. Of course there were instances of missing keys, and books. They wrote those thngs off to misplacement.
However, most of the items missing were small and mostly unused display type things. They were always found a good deal of time later, in the basement.
After a few times, that's were they naturally looked first. Some things that went missing were not even noticed until a rare trip to the basement revealed them. Sometimes they were tucked away behind other fixtures, and sometimes they were in plain view.Some things were never found.
Then, one day it stopped...and those people still live there.
And of course there were blown light bulbs and fuses. There were power outages as well. The odd thing was that most of the time, there weren't. |
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ED209
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| Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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I'm just trying to show some natural explanations for the events you describe. You can believe what you want that's not the problem, but I tend to favour a garden that is just beautiful with out having to believe there are faeries at the bottom of it.
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Whether the tree fell and no one heard it is moot. There was a frequency of lights going out in any part of the house that was occupied.
Yes, they called an electrician. The house was old and they thought the wiring was decaying. The electrician replaced some things but the problem persisted.
The house was eventually checked by an electric inspector, but he couldn't find any problems.
In fact, i remember the neighbor telling us the inspector wished houses were still built like that. |
Did they rewire the entire house and replace the fuse box?
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| I lived in a very rural community. Kids with toilet paper and graffiti paint were unheardof. The houses were too far apart. Never had mailboxes played with, either. The nearest college campus was at least 1 hour away. |
So students don't travel more than one hour from their homes?
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| Plausible, but this is a MASSIVE house. And the windows were massive as well. I suspect your theory is not valid. Ever try blowing air into an inflatable raft? Also, the trees were quite still and we watched for quite a while after it happened. |
My theory is perfectly valid this is what happens to houses. A raft would be a one way air flow, a house has many entrances and exits allowing for air flow, I don't get your comparison.
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Yep. Considering everything that happened. The strange thing about the robed figure occurance is that i didn't WANT to believe it was paranormal. I wanted to find a normal reason. |
Then you would have but you didn't. Wanting to believe there are no ghosts is different to actually believing their are no ghosts.
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Like what? You haven't even come close. |
I think I have, perhaps not in convincing you but I think others can see that your story as it stands can and does have natural explanations.
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And, regarding the missing items. Of course there were instances of missing keys, and books. They wrote those thngs off to misplacement.
However, most of the items missing were small and mostly unused display type things. They were always found a good deal of time later, in the basement.
After a few times, that's were they naturally looked first. Some things that went missing were not even noticed until a rare trip to the basement revealed them. Sometimes they were tucked away behind other fixtures, and sometimes they were in plain view.Some things were never found.
Then, one day it stopped...and those people still live there.
And of course there were blown light bulbs and fuses. There were power outages as well. The odd thing was that most of the time, there weren't. |
Just sounds like now they've had an exorcism they've changed the way they pattern seek writing current events of to misplacement believing that there is no more ghost.
I have given some natural explanations for an event I didn't witness and have no ability to investigate. Please don't expect myself to suspend my disbelief for some thing that appears implausible and lacks any evidence other than what you recall on this board. Again I thank you for your story it is an interesting experience you had, perhaps it is as you say it perhaps not. |
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