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andrew
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LarrytheGiraffee
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| Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 2:55 am Post subject: |
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Most of the teachers at my school dont come into the class with the kids either. Once in a while, they will bring the kids into the class but as soon as the kids are seated nicely they will leave. The main reason is that only 1 or 2 out of 16 speak much English.
If you want them there for disciplinary reasons, then I would say to ask that you always have a teacher in class. If you are hoping for someone to translate for you then it is probably best to allow the higher level students to assist the lower level students. It keeps the higher level students from becoming bored and it keeps the teachers from being embarrassed that some of their students speak better English than they do.
Just a suggestion based on my experience in a public school. |
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lowpo
Joined: 01 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 4:29 am Post subject: |
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| LarrytheGiraffee wrote: |
Most of the teachers at my school dont come into the class with the kids either. Once in a while, they will bring the kids into the class but as soon as the kids are seated nicely they will leave. The main reason is that only 1 or 2 out of 16 speak much English.
If you want them there for disciplinary reasons, then I would say to ask that you always have a teacher in class. If you are hoping for someone to translate for you then it is probably best to allow the higher level students to assist the lower level students. It keeps the higher level students from becoming bored and it keeps the teachers from being embarrassed that some of their students speak better English than they do.
Just a suggestion based on my experience in a public school. |
My higher level kids help translate for the lower level kids also in the classrooms.
I have also noticed that the higher level kids you translate in the classroom. They are also coming to the office to practice their English with me. One of my translater's will come into office to talk about WWE. I don't really care for WWE, but I watch it so that I can talk to him about the wrestlers. Plus, more of his friends are comeing to the office to talk about WWE also with me.
Plus, the kids who are interested in learning English will also help me when the kids are bad in class. Because if we get to finish our lesson and still have some time. I play a game with them in English. MOst of the time it is just 5 of class time. |
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sojourner1
Joined: 17 Apr 2007
Location: Where meggi swim and 2 wheeled tractors go sput put chug alugg pug pug
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Yikes! No co-teacher in a class of 30 or 40 Korean kids freaking out over how strange a sight a strange looking blue eyed brown haired foreigner can be for them. It's a wild monkey show. Oh dear, that must get loud at times as I know having 10 in a class can be very hectic, chaotic, and loud.
Call the classroom control police now! Don't wait another day. 
I know some of you are so good that you can control anything as my head teacher is awesome with 10 years experience here. He could lead a group of excited monkeys through a jungle with great ease without losing one single monkeys attention or loyalty. |
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 6:02 am Post subject: |
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You have to handle it.
Go mental at one bad student right at the beginning of class. After that all will be well.
Co-teachers are a luxury. Thery don't have them in Taiwan or Japan, or anywhere except here. Ur lucky. |
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Terrio
Joined: 18 Jul 2007
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Actually I prefer no Korean teachers in the class.
Most of the time they can be a hindrance. I guess it all depends on how well you can control your class.
I find that if the Korean teachers leave the room after a few classes --they usually feel comfortable with you in the classroom by yourself.
OR... they see it as break time.
But I do feel for you if you are teaching the same kids for 2 hours straight.
That's hard on you and on the kids...
Also, if you have unruly classes, I find the long, very long silent stare --almost burning into the kid(s) eyes works very well --Korean kids cannot handle that kind of eye contact and I find it works wonders if you do it and then talk very very slow and coldly... |
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wylies99
Joined: 13 May 2006
Location: I'm one cool cat!
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| Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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Go mental at one bad student right at the beginning of class. After that all will be well.
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That does work. It's that "first night in prison" kind of sending the message.  |
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Fishead soup
Joined: 24 Jun 2007
Location: Korea
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Contact your local office of Education and complain. All Native speakers are suppose to have team teachers. What your school is doing is wrong.
When you let these teachers skip out of team teaching it becomes the norm. It actually undermines the schools that actually impliment the program correctly. |
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wylies99
Joined: 13 May 2006
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| If he/she does that, then they'll be labled a "trouble-maker" and things could get ugly. Maybe it's the right thing to do, but I want everyone to understand there will be consequences. |
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valkerie
Joined: 02 Mar 2007
Location: Busan
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| Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 12:18 am Post subject: |
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| Junior wrote: |
You have to handle it.
Go mental at one bad student right at the beginning of class. After that all will be well.
Co-teachers are a luxury. Thery don't have them in Taiwan or Japan, or anywhere except here. Ur lucky. |
In Japan it is (technically) compulsory for the Japanese teacher (homeroom in elementary school or English Teacher in Junior High) to be in the classroom. Teaching solo is not allowed without a licence.
As for how much use they are or what role they play...well that varies as much as in S. Korea. |
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Khyron
Joined: 27 Jan 2005
Location: Japan
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| Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 12:36 am Post subject: |
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| Junior wrote: |
| Co-teachers are a luxury. Thery don't have them in Taiwan or Japan, or anywhere except here. Ur lucky. |
You have no idea what you're talking about, as far as Japan in concerned.
Do you always make things up when you pretend to give advice? |
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Sody
Joined: 14 May 2006
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In Japan you must have a Japanese teacher in the classroom at all times because in public schools native English teachers are ALTs (Assistant language teachers). I was an ALT in several Japanese schools and I can assure you, regardless of the law, that there was always a Japanese teacher there because to be absent or otherwise goes against their culture. It may be ok in Korea but in Japan the teachers work as a team. No self respecting Japanese person would take a break during that time, it would be considered disrespectful or outright lazy.
No idea about Taiwan.
Let this thread be a wake up call for new teachers coming this September. NO MATTER what the recruiters say, you are most likely going to be left to your own devices in large classes. If you can't handle that or even the possibility of that happening then you shouldn't work in a PS because you will become upset and stressed out. Take heart though that you will survive if you think positively and believe in yourself. Remember that every new teacher has to go through the hell of their first year. You can do it if you try.
Sody |
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bosintang
Joined: 01 Dec 2003
Location: In the pot with the rest of the mutts
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| Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Sody wrote: |
In Japan you must have a Japanese teacher in the classroom at all times because in public schools native English teachers are ALTs (Assistant language teachers). I was an ALT in several Japanese schools and I can assure you, regardless of the law, that there was always a Japanese teacher there because to be absent or otherwise goes against their culture. It may be ok in Korea but in Japan the teachers work as a team. No self respecting Japanese person would take a break during that time, it would be considered disrespectful or outright lazy.
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I worked in Japan as well, and I've never heard of a foreign teacher in the public school system who worked on their own without a Japanese teacher. Japanese teachers are far too-controlling to let that happen. And at least in the case of my city's middle schools , the ALTS were not primarily responsible for lesson-planning, and they followed the Japanese teacher's lead in the classroom. For most ALTs with most Japanese teachers, that meant being nothing more than a glorified tape recorder, but a few of the Japanese English teachers did use team-teaching.
In Korea's terms, I really think they need to be more honest both with us and themselves. They shouldn't be telling a newbie teacher that they'll never have to teach on their own and that their Korean co-teacher will help them prepare lessons if this is not true. It leads to overblown expectations from both sides.
I agree with Sody, if you're a newbie looking for a public school job in Korea, expect that you may have to prepare lessons and teach on your own (with or without the co-teacher's presence), and that it could be overwhelming. |
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kimchi_pizza
Joined: 24 Jul 2006
Location: "Get back on the bus! Here it comes!"
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| bosintang wrote: |
| I worked in Japan as well, and I've never heard of a foreign teacher in the public school system who worked on their own without a Japanese teacher. Japanese teachers are far too-controlling to let that happen. And at least in the case of my city's middle schools , the ALTS were not primarily responsible for lesson-planning, and they followed the Japanese teacher's lead in the classroom. For most ALTs with most Japanese teachers, that meant being nothing more than a glorified tape recorder, but a few of the Japanese English teachers did use team-teaching. |
I can vouch for this...in a class of say 40 students, I'd say 25 were apathetic, 5 were trouble-makers(bozosuku-scooter gangs), 5 were prostitutes, and 5 made and showed a sincere interest in learning English. That was in a junior high school.
Ah! btw, as an ALT I was never left alone. I think I could've reached more students and get better responses if I were. Nearly all my co-teachers in Japan were worthless and 2 JELTs were so weak and traumatised by their out-of-control, tormenting students that they had to seek psychiatric help. I,kid,you,not.
Only teacher I liked and respected was the Japanese language teacher. She really was kind and had the students' interests at heart and could manage them. The rest, including the principals, could care less. |
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Fishead soup
Joined: 24 Jun 2007
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Sody wrote: |
In Japan you must have a Japanese teacher in the classroom at all times because in public schools native English teachers are ALTs (Assistant language teachers). I was an ALT in several Japanese schools and I can assure you, regardless of the law, that there was always a Japanese teacher there because to be absent or otherwise goes against their culture. It may be ok in Korea but in Japan the teachers work as a team. No self respecting Japanese person would take a break during that time, it would be considered disrespectful or outright lazy.
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I worked in Japan as well, and I've never heard of a foreign teacher in the public school system who worked on their own without a Japanese teacher. Japanese teachers are far too-controlling to let that happen. And at least in the case of my city's middle schools , the ALTS were not primarily responsible for lesson-planning, and they followed the Japanese teacher's lead in the classroom. For most ALTs with most Japanese teachers, that meant being nothing more than a glorified tape recorder, but a few of the Japanese English teachers did use team-teaching.
In Korea's terms, I really think they need to be more honest both with us and themselves. They shouldn't be telling a newbie teacher that they'll never have to teach on their own and that their Korean co-teacher will help them prepare lessons if this is not true. It leads to overblown expectations from both sides.
I agree with Sody, if you're a newbie looking for a public school job in Korea, expect that you may have to prepare lessons and teach on your own (with or without the co-teacher's presence), and that it could be overwhelming. |
I agree I also think that if you don't co teach on a regular basis you shouldn't have to do a co teaching open lesson. |
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