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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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 Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 2:20 am Post subject: |
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WHY DON'T THE RIGHTISTS ON THIS BOARD RALLY TO THE DEFENSE OF HITLER WHEN HE IS DEFAMED??????????????
Because they are a bunch of cowardly hypocrits? |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 3:16 am Post subject: |
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Nice one Ya-ta.
And good to have you back.  |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 5:28 am Post subject: |
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Thank you, BB.
Congrats and a question: Is baby bird a chick or a chickette? (No disrespect, but at that age, all babies look like Winston Churchill.) |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 6:58 am Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
Thank you, BB.
Congrats and a question: Is baby bird a chick or a chickette? (No disrespect, but at that age, all babies look like Winston Churchill.) |
Thank you Ya-ta. He is a chick who is regularly mistaken for a chickette - because he's so pretty, even in blue! |
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alinkorea
Joined: 02 May 2005
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| Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:40 am Post subject: |
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| Chavez's government shows graphically that socialism didnt die with the fall of the Soviet Union. I have no desire to argue with S. Mcgarret though, as our political opinions are polar opposites. If someone has all the facts and stilll thinks Chavez is wrong, then discussion is pointless |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 8:53 am Post subject: |
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Dear, dear BB,
BIG mistake:
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| because he's so pretty |
Well, a mistake on the west side of the Atlantic. On our side, we think 'pretty' is for women OR guys who look like Yi Somebody-Ki (the nelly one in the King's Clown movie).
Take my advice: Go with 'cute'. It is ambisexual (I made that word up) and won't embarass your kid when he gets older.
Advice #2: Give him lots of guns, toy soldiers and things that blow up and otherwise make noise. Given your far, far left proclivities, the boy is going to need all the help he can get.  [/quote] |
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Sincinnatislink
Joined: 30 Jan 2007
Location: Top secret.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 9:24 am Post subject: |
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Link me to somewhere I said he was awesome.
I still believe Venezuela is better off with "Bolivarismo" or whatever than it was with "right-wing US military puppet government." |
This is too simplistic. Venezuela has more options than what you suggest here.
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Yes, distancing oneself from US domination is a simple matter in South America.
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And your classification of the constitutional, democratically-elected govt that preceded Chavez as "a right-wing U.S. military puppet" reveals your fundamental hostility to, above all else, the American govt.
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My. Ass.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Venezuela#20th_century
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February 27, 1989 saw a wave of protests, riots and looting known as the Caracazo, where it is estimated that thousands of Venezuelans were killed after the then-president Carlos Andr�s P�rez, a member of the AD political party, decided to suspend the constitutional rights of the citizens, thus allowing the armed forces to confront the rioters by violent means.
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. . . perhaps we should look into what you mean by "democratic"? Does it involve suspending constitutional rights and instituting military rule?
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Ultimately, I doubt you are concerned with Venezuelan affairs per se anyway.
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I'm very sure that's irrelevant.
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You merely seize a Third-World pretext to criticize American politics.
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Well pardon me for trying to make sense of international affairs.
By the way, that rioting mentioned above was a reaction to proposed reforms by the IMF, while we're discussing pinko hot buttons.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caracazo
Any ideas on who might have helped secure a treasured source of bananas and oil?
If you are what you claim to be, you sure have a selective memory in discussing these matters. Care to give an alternate account here, Mr. Master's candidate?
And just for reference . . .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caracazo#Consequences
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| In 1998, the Inter-American Commission on Human Rights condemned the government's action, and referred the case to the Inter-American Court of Human Rights. In 1999, the Court heard the case and found that the government had committed violations of human rights, including extrajudicial killings. The Venezuelan government, by then headed by Ch�vez, did not contest the findings of the case, and accepted full responsibility for the government's actions. |
I'd say 9 years is a pretty good turnaround on admitting to atrocities and remedying them.
I can't think of any countries that habitually take longer, can you? |
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Leavingkorea
Joined: 27 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 10:24 am Post subject: |
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Hahaha. You use Wiki as a source material. Your online subscription to IloveinaccuraciesandmadeupjunkbecauseIdon'treadbooks.com run out? |
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jkelly80
Joined: 13 Jun 2007
Location: you boys like mexico?
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| Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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Hahaha. You use Wiki as a source material. Your online subscription to IloveinaccuraciesandmadeupjunkbecauseIdon'treadbooks.com run out? |
Haha. You're right, you ARE funny.
Please refute the facts he cited instead of a blanket dismissal of the source material. Wikipedia makes 3.8 mistakes per article v. 2.9 to Britannica. Not a ringing endorsement, but not grounds for categorical snarkiness either. |
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Sincinnatislink
Joined: 30 Jan 2007
Location: Top secret.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Leavingkorea wrote: |
| Your online subscription to IloveinaccuraciesandmadeupjunkbecauseIdon'treadbooks.com run out? |
Perhaps you could recommend a better large online source of free encyclopedic information?
Those things happened. I am not writing a master's thesis (cough), so I'm not going to use Chicago style and reference specialized journals. Furthermore, that wouldn't encourage others to learn more, since they couldn't read what I cited.
I've read about this, and a fair number of similar events in the region, from sources I don't believe are available on the internet - i.e. "Old books and journals with text not conceivably in the public domain." Some have been overwhelmingly sympathetic toward the ruler and the US intervention, others have been critical of government generally, most were somewhere in between. I don't remember titles because this reading was anywhere from 7 to 5 years ago. Otherwise, it's been from newspapers.
I'd listen to earlier claims that a significant number of American intellectuals are or were generally supportive of Hugo Chavez if anyone could provide more than anecdotal evidence.
And where is our Master's candidate? I'd like to hear what he does with this.
I'd like to see him argue that the IMF or the United States does good things ("not forcing locals into morbidly entertaining poverty or supporting military juntas," respectively) in Latin America. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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And where is our Master's candidate? I'd like to hear what he does with this.
I'd like to see him argue that the IMF or the United States does good things ("not forcing locals into morbidly entertaining poverty or supporting military juntas," respectively) in Latin America. |
I don't understand what the IMF has to do with 'forcing locals into morbidly entertaining poverty.' The IMF is a lender. When Argentina defaults, that Argentina's problem. Argentina still thought it was 1987 and could demand that its bankers wait for the money or not get it at all, but Argentina did not realize that in a global economy, and when a country defaults on its loans, it either pays them back or gets screwed.
The IMF was not the cause of the Argentinian collapse, it was Argentina's awful policy of locking its peso on par with the dollar. |
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Sincinnatislink
Joined: 30 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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I could give you a list of IMF horror stories if you really need them.
Do you need to be reminded what the IMF is supposed to do?
They apparently needed a reminder, too.
http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/survey/so/2007/NEW0720B.htm
If an economy crashes after IMF intervention and/or the entire country begins rioting (presumably because they feel their rights are being violated, rather than buttressed, by a "free economy"), the IMF has very directly fucked up - and that's pretty impressive considering the kinds of demands it generally makes.
Many, including myself, argue that this kind of epic and regular failure at claimed goals is at best a sign of ineffectiveness, and at worst bald-faced lying about goals.
Anyway, back to Chavez.
Show me some hard figures on the panty-waisted "liberals" changing sides on Chavez. I didn't get the phone call, nor did my Hillary-loving black friends.
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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WHY DON'T THE RIGHTISTS ON THIS BOARD RALLY TO THE DEFENSE OF HITLER WHEN HE IS DEFAMED??????????????
Because they are a bunch of cowardly hypocrits? |
I think this title is kind of dumb. It assumes that everyone on the Left is uniform and supports Hugo Chavez. I like programmes that help the poor, but I don't support nationalizing banks and everything under the sun. It is one thing to nationalize the oil companies and another all the land, the banks etc... That is communism. I do not support command economies. Many on the Left do not mind some interference and direction from the government but not fascism in the guise of helping the poor. Saying all on the Left support that is grossly misrepresenting those who are on the Left. It is like saying everyone on the Right believes that polluting the environment is okay for the sake of making money. |
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Leavingkorea
Joined: 27 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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Hahaha. You use Wiki as a source material. Your online subscription to IloveinaccuraciesandmadeupjunkbecauseIdon'treadbooks.com run out? |
Haha. You're right, you ARE funny.
Please refute the facts he cited instead of a blanket dismissal of the source material. Wikipedia makes 3.8 mistakes per article v. 2.9 to Britannica. Not a ringing endorsement, but not grounds for categorical snarkiness either. |
Sorry but when you try and sound like you know something about a subject and you're entire base of knowledge stems from some article you read today on wiki, you deserve all the ridicule that can be mustered. |
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Sincinnatislink
Joined: 30 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:12 pm Post subject: |
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What the hell does that have to do with the validity of my argument?
Counter my argument.
Pretty please. |
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