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hogwonguy1979



Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: the racoon den

PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 1:30 am    Post subject: digital cameras Reply with quote

I've had a nikon 3200 coolpix for the past 3 years but have become unhappy with it, resolution is ok, great for daytime pics but what drives me nuts is all my nighttime photos all turn out fuzzy.

i'm heading to yangon and se asia in a couple of weeks and want to get some nighttime/evening shots so i'm looking for a reasonbly priced digital camera. i was at ipark today and saw some good ones around 200k. any recs? what about those that can record video, are they worth it in that price range?
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idonojacs



Joined: 07 Jun 2007

PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It looks like the rest of the posters are burned out and the "which camera should I buy" debate. I don't blame them. But I'm game. Here goes.

Don't be a cheapskate when buying a camera for use in Korea and travelling. There's lots to take pictures of, and you will want sharp, well-exposed pictures to show others. But you don't need to spend a fortune, either. About $400 will get you a really nice camera.

A good place to start is to look at the reviews at Steve's

http://www.steves-digicams.com/hardware_reviews.html

What I like about this site is that he has shot the same subjects for about 10 years, so you can get an idea of how cameras compare. He also offers fairly succinct, unbiased opinions.

If you look at user reviews, such as on Amazon, some of the postings verge on lunatic ravings against certain brands; it almost looks like a disinformation campaign by their competitors.

The way to cut through this noise is to look at actual photos taken by actual people with the cameras. Just go to flickr.com and look for the camera you are interested in:

http://flickr.com/cameras/

A good source for camera info, reviews and realistic price info is B&H Photo, the professional's source - really.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/shop/1082/Digital_Cameras_All_Digital_Cameras.html

Now, to answer your question, if you want a camera that does night shots, takes good video, will be used when travelling and is fairly easy for a novice to use, there's only one camera I would recommend: the Fuji S6000fd.

Sure, there are plenty of great cameras out there, but none that I know of that do all this so well while giving you the flexibility of running off AA nimh batteries, nearly essential when country hopping.

Look at the sample pictures from Steve's, especially the sample video of the race car:

http://www.steves-digicams.com/2007_reviews/fuji_s6000fd_samples.html

I have never seen video this good from a digital camera, though I haven't exactly checked every camera. With the manual zoom lens you can zoom in and out while filming very precisely and without noise.

Fuji makes a more compact version of this camera, the Fujifilm FinePix F31fd. I would be tempted to buy one as a pocket camera, but it uses a lithium ion battery, and I don't need to lug around another battery charger.

OK, here's the deal: Next time a poster asks what camera to buy, you give the reply.
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spliff



Joined: 19 Jan 2004
Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand

PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 10:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like this....

http://www.letsgodigital.org/en/12473/panasonic_lumix_dmc_tz3/
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KOREAN_MAN



Joined: 01 Oct 2006

PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 1:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fujifilm FinePix F31fd. No contest.

Very, very little noise compared to other point-and-shoot cameras. So you can increase the ISO and get enough shutter speed which won't make photos look fuzzy. You won't regret buying this camera.
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discostar23



Joined: 22 Feb 2004
Location: getting the hell out of dodge

PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 12:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd go canon, i recently upgraded from the cool pix to a canon ixus 10. cheap (i got mine in japan) 230,000won. great photos
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IlIlNine



Joined: 15 Jun 2005
Location: Gunpo, Gyonggi, SoKo

PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 4:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

KOREAN_MAN wrote:
Fujifilm FinePix F31fd. No contest.

Very, very little noise compared to other point-and-shoot cameras. So you can increase the ISO and get enough shutter speed which won't make photos look fuzzy. You won't regret buying this camera.



Why does nobody ever listen to good advice?

The Fuji Finepix F20, F30, and F31fd are the ONLY ONES TO CONSIDER IF TAKING SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF NIGHTTIME PICS!

Can I say that any louder?

As far as I'm concerned, this thread is over - go buy one of those cameras and be happy.

Don't believe me? Here's a little proof:

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/FujifilmF31fd/page14.asp
A conmparison between your precious canons and the fuji at the canon's highest ISO (1600).
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IlIlNine



Joined: 15 Jun 2005
Location: Gunpo, Gyonggi, SoKo

PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 4:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

KOREAN_MAN wrote:
Fujifilm FinePix F31fd. No contest.

Very, very little noise compared to other point-and-shoot cameras. So you can increase the ISO and get enough shutter speed which won't make photos look fuzzy. You won't regret buying this camera.



Why does nobody ever listen to good advice?

The Fuji Finepix F20, F30, and F31fd are the ONLY ONES TO CONSIDER IF TAKING SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF NIGHTTIME PICS!

Can I say that any louder?

As far as I'm concerned, this thread is over - go buy one of those cameras and be happy.

Don't believe me? Here's a little proof:

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/FujifilmF31fd/page14.asp
A conmparison between your precious canons and the fuji at the canon's highest ISO (1600).[/quote]
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There simply isn't another compact camera on the market that can get close to results like these - if you want better ISO 1600 you need to buy a digital SLR.
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hanguker



Joined: 16 Mar 2005
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow...a childish rant and a double-post. Good stuff Rolling Eyes

But true, most of those Finepix slim cameras take good "party" shots. They're designed for club kids taking pictures in nightclubs. Also, even with the relatively better quality (still looks like crap...just clearer crap), you can't print more than a snapshot-sized print.

Most, people won't be taking iso 1600 shots, though. Anybody with a bit of know how would use a tripod with low iso and slow shutter for a good and clear night shot.
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IlIlNine



Joined: 15 Jun 2005
Location: Gunpo, Gyonggi, SoKo

PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hanguker wrote:
Wow...a childish rant and a double-post. Good stuff Rolling Eyes

But true, most of those Finepix slim cameras take good "party" shots. They're designed for club kids taking pictures in nightclubs. Also, even with the relatively better quality (still looks like crap...just clearer crap), you can't print more than a snapshot-sized print.

Most, people won't be taking iso 1600 shots, though. Anybody with a bit of know how would use a tripod with low iso and slow shutter for a good and clear night shot.


Yeah, double post..

Anyways -- there's no other way to stop action than with high-ISO or flash. Given that the flash on these compacts is generally weak and you can't bounce it (making people look terrible) - the only cameras to get are the threee fujis I mentioned.

If you're going to bring a tripod along for steady night shots, then a) you're not stopping action (long shutter speeds) and b) you lose compactness - so you may as well just get a DSLR with a fast prime.

... and surprise! You can also set these fujis to low-iso for clear night-shots with a tripod.

High-iso shots are not just for nightclubs Rolling Eyes

And anyways - ignoring ISO 1600 for the moment -- the three cams I mentioned also have far better ISO 800 and 400. If you can't realize that this makes it a far more flexible pocket cam than the competition, I can't do anything else here.

Obviously for critical work, it may be lacking (who uses a pocket digicam for this?) ... but I'm willing to bet that most people here don't need to print 8x10s or bigger very often anyways. Do you?
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deadman



Joined: 27 May 2006
Location: Suwon

PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 12:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bought a Fuji Finepix F20 today from a camera shop near Namdaemun.

I'm not sure if I got a good or bad deal but just for reference I paid 280k Won for the camera with a 1GB card and spare battery (10kW by itself) plus cleaning kit and case.

They quoted 230k Won for the camera body itself, I guess the 1GB card was 50K.

The F32fd was 30k Won more. I compared the specs, but the only difference I could see was the face detection technology. Got the cheaper one.

The Canon IXUS 75 was quoted as 310k Won for the basic body, the same price as a place on the ground floor of the Yongsan electronics department store.

The shop I bought it from was at the bottom of a long downhill market street in Namdaemun, just around the corner to the left.

Hope that helps.
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spliff



Joined: 19 Jan 2004
Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand

PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 1:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps you should have bought online, the price you paid seems a slight bit steep...this is the same camera, is it not?

http://search.auction.co.kr/Search/Search.aspx?keyword=f20&category=02011500
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deadman



Joined: 27 May 2006
Location: Suwon

PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 4:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

spliff wrote:
Perhaps you should have bought online, the price you paid seems a slight bit steep...this is the same camera, is it not?

http://search.auction.co.kr/Search/Search.aspx?keyword=f20&category=02011500


Yep, same one, fair bit cheaper. Or same price, with free 1GB memory card.

I'm not particularly online-shopping-savvy here in Korea, and have no credit card at the mo'.

Anyway, be warned, potential camera shoppers!
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spliff



Joined: 19 Jan 2004
Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand

PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 5:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Only 30k or so, could have been worse. I wouldn't sweat it! Anyway, you don't need to use your CC to buy something online here, just do a bank transfer to the sellers acct, quite painless actually.
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IlIlNine



Joined: 15 Jun 2005
Location: Gunpo, Gyonggi, SoKo

PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 5:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only downside with those fujis is the expensive xD picture card. 50,000 for 1gb sounds right. I paid 290,000 for my F30 not too long ago with case and 1GB card.
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