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Adventurer

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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 3:34 am Post subject: Israel frees more than 250 prisoners |
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Israel frees more than 250 prisoners By DALIA NAMMARI, Associated Press Writer
RAMALLAH, West Bank - Israel released more than 250 Palestinian prisoners Friday in a gesture to embattled President Mahmoud Abbas, who pledged not to rest until Israel's jails were emptied of its thousands of Palestinians.
The release was meant to bolster Abbas in his power struggle with the Islamic militant Hamas, which took control of Gaza by force last month.
Several thousand chanting, clapping Palestinians greeted the prisoners as their buses rolled into Abbas' headquarters in the West Bank city of Ramallah. Prisoners were hoisted onto the shoulders of dancing supporters, before they performed noon prayers in a large, open-sided tent.
"This is the beginning," said Abbas, wearing a black-and-white checkered baseball cap, a symbol of Palestinian nationalism. "Efforts must continue. Our work must continue until every prisoner returns to the his home," he said.
Israeli and officials of Abbas' government said they hoped the release marked a new chapter in relations, following seven years of bloody fighting.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070720/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_palestinians |
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ddeubel

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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 3:55 am Post subject: |
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I echo the sentiments of most observers.
It is nice to see the innocent released from prison, a prison not of their direct making.
But it is on another level to be seen as sad. They stepped ahead of many many others who are rotting away. None of the released were of the 42 democratically elected legislators rounded up and suffering without charges or with trumped up "administrative" charges.
This will be seen as it is. Fatah being bought off, a political deal and not a real deal. No justice. And the method in this maddness, is to keep pursuing a policy of degradement of a people, a policy of division and finally buying peace through controlling the coffer and life line of the adversary.
Let's also not, on this other level, it is a drop in a bucket. If Israel was sincere, they'd release the majority of the kidnapped soldiers.
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Big_Bird

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 4:08 am Post subject: |
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I agree DD. On the one hand it's so nice to see the prisoners free. On the other hand it's impossible not to feel cynical at the reason for this tasty tidbit being offered. And 250 is just the tip of the iceburg. There are thousands rotting away in Israeli gaols, some of them for years - among them: children, young teenagers, or even young mothers. Held on the flimsiest of pretexts. A disgrace. |
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Junior

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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 6:15 am Post subject: |
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-And what do they get in return? More rockets from gaza?
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children, young teenagers, or even young mothers. Held on the flimsiest of pretexts. A disgrace. |
young mothers who strapped shi*loads of TNT to their bodies to try and kill innocent people.
Young teenagers who raped women.
Children who threw stones with every intent of killing. |
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Big_Bird

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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 6:56 am Post subject: |
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Junior wrote: |
-And what do they get in return? More rockets from gaza?
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children, young teenagers, or even young mothers. Held on the flimsiest of pretexts. A disgrace. |
young mothers who strapped shi*loads of TNT to their bodies to try and kill innocent people.
Young teenagers who raped women.
Children who threw stones with every intent of killing. |
No Junior. You want to believe that if people are in gaol, it must be for a good reason. You are very very naive in that case. Many are detained on the vaguest pretexts. Sigh. Maybe one day you will learn a thing or two. |
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postfundie

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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:11 am Post subject: |
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-And what do they get in return? More rockets from gaza?
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children, young teenagers, or even young mothers. Held on the flimsiest of pretexts. A disgrace.
young mothers who strapped shi*loads of TNT to their bodies to try and kill innocent people.
Young teenagers who raped women.
Children who threw stones with every intent of killing |
for the record I don't think you are naive.....I think it's naive to thinkink that a good number of those released will not engage in or help those involved in terror, oops I mean 'resistence', against Israel...
good to see the cheers of those missing loved ones....hope things work out for them
yahoonews...
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"This is the beginning," said Abbas, wearing a black-and-white checkered scarf, a symbol of Palestinian nationalism. "Efforts must continue. Our work must continue until every prisoner returns to the his home."
Hamas belittled the release. "This step has no real value because most of the prisoners are from one faction, and most were about to be released," said Hamas spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri.
Israeli and officials of Abbas' government said they hoped the release marked a new chapter in relations, following seven years of bloody fighting.
"All the suffering, all the pain is gone," said released prisoner Iyad Milhem, 30, as he rode on one of the buses. "But we still hope for the release of all the other prisoners."
Prominent among those freed was 61-year-old Abdel Rahim Malouh, second-in-command in a small PLO faction, the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, which assassinated an Israeli Cabinet minister in 2001.
Friday's release began shortly after daybreak when the shackled prisoners left the Ketziot prison camp in southern Israel and boarded buses with darkened windows that took them to the West Bank. At an Israeli military checkpoint in the West Bank, the prisoners got off the buses, some kissing the ground, and boarded Palestinian buses that took them to Ramallah.
Israel had agreed to release 256 prisoners, but one was held back for further security checks, said Eli Gadizon, of the Israel Prisons' Service. All the inmates were required to sign an undertaking not to engage in anti-Israel violence.
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Junior

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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:40 am Post subject: |
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well lets just spotlight these innocent prisoners for a moment:
Samir Kuntar
"On April 22, 1979, Samir Kuntar led a group of four who entered Israel from Lebanon by boat.The four killed a policeman who came across them. The group then entered a high building where they broke into the apartment of the Haran family.Samir Kuntar shot the father, Danny, at close range in front of his daughter in the back and drowned him in the sea to ensure he was dead. Next, he smashed the four year old girl's head, Einat, on beach rocks and crushed her skull with the butt of his rifle.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samir_Kuntar
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Held on the flimsiest of pretexts. A disgrace. |
Sure, big bird. Whatever U say  |
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Adventurer

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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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Junior wrote: |
-And what do they get in return? More rockets from gaza?
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children, young teenagers, or even young mothers. Held on the flimsiest of pretexts. A disgrace. |
young mothers who strapped shi*loads of TNT to their bodies to try and kill innocent people.
Young teenagers who raped women.
Children who threw stones with every intent of killing. |
These men being released are members of FATAH. You are accusing the Israeli Government of not knowing who they are releasing or planning this. Are their risks? Yes, there are for both sides when it comes to this because violence is easily sparked by both sides. Olmert did not release Hamas and Islamic Jihad people. These were Al Aqsa people who are loosely affiliated with FATAH and agreed to abide by the FATAH leadership and Abbas's words and Israel's offer. How good that works for both sides remains to be seen. |
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Sincinnatislink

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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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I'd like to see the opinions of some Israel supporters here re: more popular terrorist groups, such as the IRA or ANC. |
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fiveeagles

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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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ddeubel wrote: |
It is nice to see the innocent released from prison, a prison not of their direct making.
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Innocent? How do you figure? |
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postfundie

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Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 8:09 am Post subject: |
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ddeubel wrote:
It is nice to see the innocent released from prison, a prison not of their direct making.
DD
Innocent? How do you figure? |
generalizations are to be condemned, (unless of course you are doing the generalizing) |
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Junior

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Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 8:15 am Post subject: |
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Next, he smashed the four year old girl's head, Einat, on beach rocks and crushed her skull with the butt of his rifle.
Yes. totally innocent and rehabilititatited..
Would you believe the monster who did this confessed full responsibility and guilt, -yet despite this all his supporters insist on claiming he's innocent because he happens to be a muslim? |
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crusher_of_heads
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Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 8:33 am Post subject: |
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Israel using released Fatah prisoners as cannon fodder against Hamaas?
How rude! |
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just alittlecrazy

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Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 6:23 am Post subject: |
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Sincinnatislink wrote: |
I'd like to see the opinions of some Israel supporters here re: more popular terrorist groups, such as the IRA or ANC. |
these and other similar " terrorist" organisations served a purpose. they maintained an armed struggle until diplomatic solution could be agreed or circumstances changed that made violence counter productive. these organisations matured and sought political solutions. eg as sinn fein made political progress the ira operations were no longer beneficial or desirable. nelson mandela and other anc leaders also moved away from violence when political solutions were achievable.
your turn, what do you think of groups like the irgun that used terrorism against the british during their occupation of israel prior to 1948? and the execution of jewish terrorists by the british? |
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Big_Bird

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Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 4:38 am Post subject: |
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just alittlecrazy wrote: |
Sincinnatislink wrote: |
I'd like to see the opinions of some Israel supporters here re: more popular terrorist groups, such as the IRA or ANC. |
these and other similar " terrorist" organisations served a purpose. they maintained an armed struggle until diplomatic solution could be agreed or circumstances changed that made violence counter productive. these organisations matured and sought political solutions. eg as sinn fein made political progress the ira operations were no longer beneficial or desirable. nelson mandela and other anc leaders also moved away from violence when political solutions were achievable.
your turn, what do you think of groups like the irgun that used terrorism against the british during their occupation of israel prior to 1948? and the execution of jewish terrorists by the british? |
Well, it seemed to me, and even some Israeli commentators, that Hamas was in the process of 'maturing and seeking political solutions' and were eschewing violence and instead participating in democracy and turning to diplomacy. However, unlike Sein Finn, they were not allowed to evolve and mature and become part of the political solution.
Frankly, a moderate and tamed Hamas is an inconvenience. Israeli leaders have privately acknowleged that if Palestinians abandoned terrorism, it would be something of a nuisance as one of their main pretexts for their 'security measures' (a euphemism for their slow and sure tightening grip on coveted parts of the West Bank) would no longer exist. Frankly, if Hamas did not exist, Israel would have to invent Hamas.
If Israel were serious about peace, they would have taken that opportunity to engage with Hamas. They need Hamas on board if they want peaceful political solution.
Israel does want peace, but not at the cost of giving up dreams of Israel Eratz. |
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