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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| just another day wrote: |
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You forgot an option - Because one of the things I truly like about Korea is its women, who generally don't have that holier-than-thou (feminist) attitude us male-expats-in-Korea find so... irritating.
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ur pretty retarded if you think korean feminists are pushovers. i find them to be scarier than western feminists. western feminism may have started first, but korean feminism has taken it to new heights. in china, women practically wear the pants.
korean women with college degrees earn 92 cents for every dollar a korean man with a degree earns. in america, it is 70 cents. |
Nah. First of all, women earn about 65% that men do:
http://www.hani.co.kr/section-004000000/2005/07/004000000200507031825135.html
And going to university does little to lessen the gap:
http://www.joongang.ca/bbs/board.php?bo_table=T1002&wr_id=2909 |
http://www.oecd.org/topic/0,3373,en_2649_34321_1_1_1_1_37457,00.html
actually it is education that closes the gap pretty significantly, especially with advanced degrees. |
You really don't have a case here when it comes to income disparity. Behold the average salaries of major corporations in Korea by gender:
http://cafe.naver.com/makehope.cafe?iframe_url=/ArticleRead.nhn%3Farticleid=83576
You'll also notice near the bottom that not only is there disparity between men and women, but the salary increase itself is going up at a slower rate for women, with a 9.6% increase in salary for men and 7.2% increase for women over the year, so the gap is widening.
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| 남직원의 경우는 5,625만원으로 전년(5,133만원) 동기 대비 9.6%(492만원) 증가했으며, 여직원은 3,410만원으로 전년(3,182만원) 대비 7.2%(228만원) 증가해 남직원보다 연봉 상승률이 다소 낮았다. |
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shaunew
Joined: 17 Apr 2007
Location: Calgary
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 3:28 am Post subject: |
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| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
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korean women with college degrees earn 92 cents for every dollar a korean man with a degree earns. in america, it is 70 cents. |
I'm gonna have to call bullshiat on this. |
I can believe it. Korean men make about 2 million won per month and the average school teacher ( women) make about 1.6 million won. Where a Canadian male like myself makes 1.6 million won per week.  |
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Ginormousaurus
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
Location: 700 Ft. Pulpit
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 5:28 am Post subject: |
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| I like the show but not really for the content. I study Korean and have somewhat of a hard time with it, but seeing other foreigners who have a decent command of the language gives me hope that I can do it too. |
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jaganath69
Joined: 17 Jul 2003
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 6:00 am Post subject: |
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| Where is the option for "the incident with the Korean dude mocking the African-American girl in a racist manner means I would never turn it on"? |
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Doutdes
Joined: 14 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 7:00 am Post subject: |
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| I can believe it. Korean men make about 2 million won per month and the average school teacher ( women) make about 1.6 million won. Where a Canadian male like myself makes 1.6 million won per week. |
Male Korean public school teachers make more money at the start of teaching because their military service is included when determining pay rate. A male teacher who has been teaching for 1 year, is considered to have been an public employee for 3 years (1 year teaching and 2 years military service). |
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paquebot
Joined: 20 Jun 2007
Location: Northern Gyeonggi-do
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 7:32 am Post subject: |
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| just another day wrote: |
| if you are looking for a submissive china doll, it really is retarded. its all part of the manipulation. russian women are also good at it. |
Please expand on this. Russian women are what exactly -- good at being submissive china dolls, good at being retarded, or good at manipulation? Seems like a pretty hefty generalization ... |
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swetepete
Joined: 01 Nov 2006
Location: a limp little burg
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 9:35 am Post subject: |
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I dunno about the idea that Korean woen make 92 cents to the guys dollar...thing is, even if it was true, and I think it's been shown here that it's quite likely not, that would only measure those lucky enough to get a job; faced with a choice between a male and a female employee with equal qualifications, are they really hiring fifty fifty? I'm pretty sure they're not, for most jobs.
And as for higher level stuff; anyone seen a female bank boss here? Police chief? Any sort of white collar boss jobs for ladies here at all? The CEOs and CFOs in every chaebol are fifty percent women?
Really don't think so... |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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You really don't have a case here when it comes to income disparity. Behold the average salaries of major corporations in Korea by gender:
http://cafe.naver.com/makehope.cafe?iframe_url=/ArticleRead.nhn%3Farticleid=83576
You'll also notice near the bottom that not only is there disparity between men and women, but the salary increase itself is going up at a slower rate for women, with a 9.6% increase in salary for men and 7.2% increase for women over the year, so the gap is widening.
남직원의 경우는 5,625만원으로 전년(5,133만원) 동기 대비 9.6%(492만원) 증가했으며, 여직원은 3,410만원으로 전년(3,182만원) 대비 7.2%(228만원) 증가해 남직원보다 연봉 상승률이 다소 낮았다. |
Some other things to consider.
Women Are Women's Worst Workplace Enemy: Poll
Chosun Ilbo (September 19, 2006)
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200609/200609190024.html
Woman Vs. Woman
Chosun Ilbo (December 9, 2005)
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200512/200512090003.html
Most Women Quit Work to Get Married
Chosun Ilbo (March 22, 2006)
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200603/200603220029.html
54% of Working Moms to Quit Jobs
By Yoon Ja-young, Korea Times (August 1, 2006)
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/news_view.asp?newsIdx=2943639
More Women Keep Secret Stash of Money
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More and more women, both working wives and homemakers, are saving up without their husbands' knowledge, an unrepresentative poll suggests.
Why are women creating secret funds? There were many responses, but about a third said the money was for themselves, such as when they suddenly need to travel. "The knowledge that I have money I can use for myself at any time gives me freedom," was a typical response. Roughly a quarter said they were saving the money for emergencies,...
Two or three admitted they were saving in preparation for a divorce.
Office worker Kim Yun-mi, 30, who met her husband of three months through a matchmaker, said, "There are a lot of divorces nowadays, so you never know. I put aside some of my salary every month just in case." |
Chosun Ilbo (June 6, 2005)
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200506/200506060001.html
Wives Found Far Richer than Their Spouses
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| A survey indicated married Korean women manage an average of W14.4 million (about US$12,000) of "secret funds" without the knowledge of their spouses, who in turn had only W3.4 million (about US$3,000) kept aside -- or a mere quarter of how much their wives have tucked aside. |
Chosun Ilbo (March 21, 2001)
http://www.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200102/200102150006.html
Women Taking Lead in Filing for Divorce
JoongAng Daily (June 30, 2005)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2588246
Women Remarry Faster Than Men
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| It takes about 21.6 months, roughly 1.8 years, for Korean men to remarry after a divorce, while women overcome the trauma faster as they meet someone and marry again in just 4.8 months after the divorce. |
By Lee Hyo-sik, Korea Times (April 19, 2007)
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/biz/biz_view.asp?newsIdx=1313&categoryCode=123
More Women Behind Wheels of Imported Cars
By Kim Yon-se, Korea Times (August 13, 2006)
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/200608/kt2006081318204053460.htm
Imported Cars Making Inroads into Local Market
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| ... The average price of an imported car was 78.2 million won, or $82,600, in the first quarter -- only about four times more than the 18.7 million won charged on average for cars made here. In 2000, by contrast, imported cars were 5.7 times more expensive, on average. |
by Seo Ji-eun, JoongAng Daily (May 23, 2006)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2728210
Marriage Costs Koreans an Arm and a Leg
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| Newlyweds spent an average of W130 million (US$130,000) on wedding-related expenses last year, of which the grooms spent an average of W96 million while the brides put up around W33 million. |
Chosun Ilbo (February 23, 2006)
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200602/200602230027.html
Teenage Boys Spend Money on Girls -- and so Do Girls
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Teenage boys still spend more money on dates than their girlfriends, the creeping progress of gender equality in other fields notwithstanding, a poll shows....
The most striking finding was that male respondents said they used the cards for their girlfriends while the female users spend the money on themselves. |
Chosun Ilbo (November 13, 2006)
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200611/200611130007.html
Male Teaching Ranks Dwindling: Survey
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A survey found that eight out of ten Seoul-based elementary school teachers are women. It also reported that some elementary schools have no male teacher....
For example, 18 faculty staff including the principal, vice principal, and teachers in Hangang Elementary School in Yongsan-gu, Seoul are all women....
The share of female teachers was highest in kindergartens at 98.3 percent (5063 out of 5153), in middle schools at 66.3 percent (12,780 out of 19,288), and in high schools at 38.9 percent (6628 out of 17,035). Female teachers reached 51 percent (3078 out of 6035) at public schools last year, exceeding the number of male teachers for the first time in history. |
Donga.com (January 15, 2007)
http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?biid=2007011538668 |
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nateium
Joined: 21 Aug 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 12:47 am Post subject: |
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nateum, how much do i get for finding that info for you? 
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You get respect for providing relevent information in context....and a gold star. |
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just another day
Joined: 12 Jul 2007
Location: Living with the Alaskan Inuits!!
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| Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 12:50 am Post subject: |
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| nateium wrote: |
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nateum, how much do i get for finding that info for you?
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You get respect for providing relevent information in context....and a gold star. |
umm... thats not enough. i need more!  |
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endo
Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home
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| Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 1:02 am Post subject: |
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What if an Italian show selected a group of foreign (attractive) women to speak about Italian culture, men, ect....?
It would be cheesy as well.
But if that's what sells then oh well.
However, it would be nice to see a group of foreign males and have them answer questions about Korean women. That would sure be interesting. |
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just another day
Joined: 12 Jul 2007
Location: Living with the Alaskan Inuits!!
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| Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 1:06 am Post subject: |
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| mithridates wrote: |
| just another day wrote: |
| mithridates wrote: |
| just another day wrote: |
| Hanson wrote: |
You forgot an option - Because one of the things I truly like about Korea is its women, who generally don't have that holier-than-thou (feminist) attitude us male-expats-in-Korea find so... irritating.
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ur pretty retarded if you think korean feminists are pushovers. i find them to be scarier than western feminists. western feminism may have started first, but korean feminism has taken it to new heights. in china, women practically wear the pants.
korean women with college degrees earn 92 cents for every dollar a korean man with a degree earns. in america, it is 70 cents. |
Nah. First of all, women earn about 65% that men do:
http://www.hani.co.kr/section-004000000/2005/07/004000000200507031825135.html
And going to university does little to lessen the gap:
http://www.joongang.ca/bbs/board.php?bo_table=T1002&wr_id=2909 |
http://www.oecd.org/topic/0,3373,en_2649_34321_1_1_1_1_37457,00.html
actually it is education that closes the gap pretty significantly, especially with advanced degrees. |
You really don't have a case here when it comes to income disparity. Behold the average salaries of major corporations in Korea by gender:
http://cafe.naver.com/makehope.cafe?iframe_url=/ArticleRead.nhn%3Farticleid=83576
You'll also notice near the bottom that not only is there disparity between men and women, but the salary increase itself is going up at a slower rate for women, with a 9.6% increase in salary for men and 7.2% increase for women over the year, so the gap is widening.
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| 남직원의 경우는 5,625만원으로 전년(5,133만원) 동기 대비 9.6%(492만원) 증가했으며, 여직원은 3,410만원으로 전년(3,182만원) 대비 7.2%(228만원) 증가해 남직원보다 연봉 상승률이 다소 낮았다. |
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Yeah, I know what you are saying, overall the wage gap is pretty big, but it does seem like the more education a woman gets in Korea, the more parity she reaches with a Korean male with an equivalent degree more than most other countries.
In this graph, a Korean woman with a University degree earns a pretty good rate in comparison with women of other countries. A degree becomes more of an equalizer than other countries it seems.
In most other countries, the more uneducated a woman is, the more pay parity she reaches with a male. In Korea, it seems to be the opposite.
I saw the 90 cent figure for Korean women with a graduate degree vs. a Korean male with a graduate degree which is the highest in the world. I'll try to find it. It used to be on an excel file in the OECD database.
http://www.oecd.org/document/4/0,3343,en_2649_34819_37836996_1_1_1_1,00.html |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 2:25 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, I know what you are saying, overall the wage gap is pretty big, but it does seem like the more education a woman gets in Korea, the more parity she reaches with a Korean male with an equivalent degree more than most other countries.
In this graph, a Korean woman with a University degree earns a pretty good rate in comparison with women of other countries. A degree becomes more of an equalizer than other countries it seems.
In most other countries, the more uneducated a woman is, the more pay parity she reaches with a male. In Korea, it seems to be the opposite.
I saw the 90 cent figure for Korean women with a graduate degree vs. a Korean male with a graduate degree which is the highest in the world. I'll try to find it. It used to be on an excel file in the OECD database.
http://www.oecd.org/document/4/0,3343,en_2649_34819_37836996_1_1_1_1,00.html |
I'd be interested in seeing that graph if you can find it. That Luxembourg figure is really odd. 131%? What's the reason for that? |
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just another day
Joined: 12 Jul 2007
Location: Living with the Alaskan Inuits!!
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| Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 2:30 am Post subject: |
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I'd be interested in seeing that graph if you can find it. That Luxembourg figure is really odd. 131%? What's the reason for that? |
i pm'd it to you. btw, i know its 90 cents for korean women with graduate degrees vs. korean men w graduate degrees. if i find it again one day, i will let u know. i already spent a lot of time backtracking this info already.
haha im not sure why older women w college degrees in luxembourg make so much. its a small country, so a few data points can skew the results, also who knows, maybe the men retire early? maybe teachers are paid higher than average there? maybe men retire early while teachers continue to get pension as salary?? im not sure. *shrugs* |
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just another day
Joined: 12 Jul 2007
Location: Living with the Alaskan Inuits!!
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| Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 12:25 pm Post subject: |
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| well at least some people are honest. i like finding the silver lining after all. |
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