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desultude



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gopher wrote:
Well, then. Seems to take care, yet again, of what you stand against. What news sources do you people approve of, if any?


Aw, Gopher, you are above CNN. Really you are.

BBC, New York Times, and a generous grain of salt. Cool
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Gopher



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I already said I have no particular love for CNN.

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pharflung



Joined: 29 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gopher:

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Easiest response ever: then do not watch CNN. Watch something else.


How soon we forget.

This ain't New Jersey. I've got cable. I don't know what's available on satellite. I sure would like some English language alternatives for the television news here in Korea. Like the BBC!

As to Larry King, if he were a baseball pitcher, he'd be throwing batting practice in the Little League.

His Internet remark was shocking, but not quite as outrageous as some might think.

Perhaps the reason he didn't want to use the Internet was because he already is suffering from information overload. Any journalist, and especially a news editor, will have access to the AP wire, which includes feeds for international, national, state, sports, editorials and features, plus there are queues for corresponding photos and graphics. Virtually all dailies in the U.S. belong to AP; many also subscribe to Knight Ridder, Gannett, New York Times, Reuters and UPI, among others. At CNN, editors most likely have access to other foreign feeds, including the BBC and CP.

The AP wire has been coming in electronically for more than 30 years. As anyone who has watched an old black and white movie about newspapers knows, the AP stories used to come in on a teletype; the bell would ring for a hot story and an editor would rip it off the crude dot matrix printer. These were replaced by the Harris electronic system - my guess is in the late 60s. The Washington Post had them in the Watergate era, I have read.

The Harris terminal had a green CRT screen, keyboard and 5k of ferrite core memory. But a bored reporter could pull up stories from all the main AP wires, from anywhere in the country. You did it by pressing keys (sometimes referred to as "buttons), as there was no mouse, no GUI.

So journalists like Larry King have had a sort of Internet-like range of information available to them for four decades, and longer in the dot matrix era.

Slogging through all these sources of news is time consuming, and it can be hard work to find the good stuff. Or you can just throw stuff on the page without reading it (yes, wire stories appear in the newspaper that no editor at that paper had actually read all the way through - that's what you get when you cut staff).

So Larry may have resisted the Internet, using ignorance as an excuse, because he didn't want to have more work thrown at him. He may also have thought it would be difficult to learn.

The irony is that searching the Internet is actually easier than searching a news wire (although AP has an alternative feed available online). And it is a whole different experience -- because of the hyperlinks.

More important, using the Internet is vital for staying in touch with the pulse of public opinion these days.

But the most significant impact of the Internet is that the average Joe, including us peons in Korea, have access to more news and information from around the world than ace journalists like Larry King had 30 years ago. Sadly, Larry is still living in that world.

And so is CNN. They don't realize we realize how thin the gruel is that they are serving.
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bucheon bum



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gopher wrote:


Well, what do you like and/or approve of, then? Because I suspect there are a whole lot of people here who would never approve of or like anything.


I mentioned the BBC.

The economist is my biggest news source simply because it covers the world (vs. say, time or newsweek, that are more domestic and fluff these days) and the writing is good.

You mentioned NPR, which is good. I just prefer to read my news and not listen to it. Yes, I know, it has a website.

NY Times online.
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thepeel



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gopher wrote:

Just curious if anybody here actually likes and/or approves of anything besides Michael Moore's "documentaries" or Ron Paul's debate one-liners.


I've been following Ron Paul for about 8-10 years now. I'm as much a fan of his one-liners as I am his long essays on liberty. Moore is a douchbag of dd, bb or twg quality. I'd prefer you to keep Paul and Moore separate.

I like lots of stuff. For media the WaPo, IHT, NYT, Slate, National Post (perhaps the best paper in the English speaking world) and Edmonton Sun (for Oilers info). TV news I tend not to watch, but if I must it will be BBC, but only because I appreciate the BBC's more international outlook.

I subscribe to The Economist, Reason and the Financial Times (for work). I listen to The Onion Radio Podcast every morning before anything else. I also love the CATO, Stratfor and Slate podcasts. NPR stuff is good too. This American Life makes me want to get to the States as fast as possible.

I also follow the Dark Side very closely. I read The Nation, The Guardian and the Toronto Star very regularly. I use bablefish to read Le Monde from time to time.

I like lots of stuff. CNN isn't really one. But if I'm in a hotel I'll turn it on for background noice. Unless Larry Kind is on. Then I even rather listen to FOX.

By the way, for Economist lovers. They now have an audio edition that you can download and dump in your ipod. It is fantastic! Every story from cover to cover is included.
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Gopher



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Economist is first-rate. So is Financial Times.

What is "The Dark Side," briefly? And where, politically, is it coming from?
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thepeel



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gopher wrote:
The Economist is first-rate. So is Financial Times.

What is "The Dark Side," briefly? And where, politically, is it coming from?


The Dark Side is all manner of leftist rags. The Toronto Star is insufferable in its smug Canadian preachy leftism. The Guardian is, well, the Guardian and The Nation has a proud and noble tradition of supporting the most horrid of governments to ever exist. I read these and others to get a sense of what the college kids are into.
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Kuros



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like the Washington Post Online, Asia Times Online, and the New York Times. I need to get more disciplined with my online stuff and get an aggregator. I email from yahoo, so sometimes I pick up their news blurbs.

I used to like Slate, but the site has been leaving a bad taste in my mouth lately. I felt so betrayed when Weisberg distorted Giuliani's fiscal record in NYC. But more than that Slate is just contrary. Its a habit, though, and its hard to kick considering that the WaPo links to Slate, as does the Onion. Ah, well...
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thepeel



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kuros wrote:
I need to get more disciplined with my online stuff and get an aggregator.


For an aggregator, nothing even comes close to google reader.

http://www.google.com/reader/view/

You won't go back to life without it.
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hogwonguy1979



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 4:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

easy, more Angali Rao and Kristi Lu showing cleavage and less Richard Quest and Larry King

for real news on tv I go to BBC World and the NY Times online
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bucheon bum



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 6:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kuros wrote:
I like the Washington Post Online, Asia Times Online, and the New York Times.


Yeah, you have posted some articles from Asia Times Online and every time I read them I think, "I should check this site out more often" but never do.
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stevemcgarrett



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 7:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CNN International has gotten better in some ways, worse in others.

First off, it's misnamed: it should be called CNN British Edition.

Second, as previously noted, it's become very corporate.

Third, they never seem to be able to settle on co-anchor teams. The Indian American woman they have now is cheerful but a bit vapid. Same goes for the guy who sits across from her. Jim Clancy tries desperately to add a sense of alarm to his opening segment, when what is reported is often exaggerated.

Probably their most laughable mistake four years back was pairing Richard Quest and Becky Anderson as co-anchors. The Twit and the Twitcher made for self-parody of the finest sort. That didn't last long as they tended to get into little spats--you know those outspoken British female journalists gotta get in the last word.

Quest is amusing if only because he's become a caricature of himself. I expect him to hawk up spit every time he opens his mouth. Talk about over-enunciation of words. He reminds me of the kind of British general you might find waiting for Lawrence of Arabia to appear in the David Lean film by the same name.

Now they have him spanning the globe, which is as close to his niche as they'll ever find.

Becky Anderson is once again a roving reporter. Watch her hands: she simply cannot keep them still. She missed her calling: should have been a mime. Now she just needs Valium.

Then we have good ol' Larry King. He was great on radio back in the 1980's--really. Won a couple of Peabody Awards back then too when he actually read the books before interviewing the authors. He also told some good stories and has a good on-air voice. Now he's turned to mush, fame's gone to his head, and he's in mourning over Nicole, the top *beep*, as also previously mentioned here. Does he throw out anything these days other than softball questions?

Anderson Cooper: the jury's still out on Andy for me. But he's starting to annoy me like Wolf Blitzer, who should have retired with Bernie (actually Bernard Shaw was the best of the bunch--tell-it-straight newsman).

Medical reporter and neurosurgeon Sanjay Gupta is good and solid. So are a few who report from the field like Atika Shubert and Kristie Lou Stout.

I'd have to agree with other posters that the self-promotion ads of CNN coupled with their ads for luxury consumers is becoming very tiresome.

They need a change in executive producers.

As for me, I get most of my news from these sources (not that anyone here cares):

1. The Christian Science Monitor
2. PBS
3. The Atlantic Monthly
4. The Economist
5. NPR
6. Michelle Malkin (man she's hot)
7. CNN International
8. Fox (I'm balanced if not fair)
9. FrontPage by David Horowitz
10. C-Span
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Sincinnatislink



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 12:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gopher wrote:
Well, then. Seems to take care, yet again, of what you stand against. What news sources do you people approve of, if any?


http://www.csmonitor.com comes to mind.
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Sincinnatislink



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 12:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's what I get for not reading a thread through.

I agree with McGarrett on something. Dang.

Oh yeah. I've generally been impressed when I had the urge to check Al-Jazeera.

I'll go straight to the wire services' pages sometimes.

NYT, Economist, etc. are not terribly different than CNN, in my experience.
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thepeel



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 12:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sincinnatislink wrote:
That's what I get for not reading a thread through.

I agree with McGarrett on something. Dang.

Oh yeah. I've generally been impressed when I had the urge to check Al-Jazeera.

I'll go straight to the wire services' pages sometimes.

NYT, Economist, etc. are not terribly different than CNN, in my experience.


CNN similar to The Economist? The NYT?

Don't read much eh?
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