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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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Here's Satori translated into ignorant hick:
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Absolutely wrong, yonder is nuttin whutsoever in da atheist belief system dat says killing lots of people is ok.
Hitler `n` Mao were not consciously actin "in da name of atheism" when doing their attrocities, but da crusaders `n` members of da inquisition `n` da salem witch trial people WERE actin on thier religious belief.
Abortion ain`t murder, an unborn baby ain`t a citizen. It's a woman's right ta chose whut ta do wif dat, not da state, not a non existant god, `n` not ignorant hicks lik yew who talk ta thier imaginary friend in da sky. |
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all
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| Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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| For a guy who criticizes theists for not being able to keep an open mind |
I do not criticise theists for not being able to keep an open mind. I criticise them for believing in an imaginary friend, big difference. I am not actually closed minded to the idea that there is indeed a real god, not at all, I just want to see real proof first, then I will actually be delighted to commune with such a god. I am however closed minded to the idea of believing the bible because the bible tell me to believe, that`s not quite good enough for me.
But you trying to reverse my charge of ignorant hick back on me is not going to stick. The phrase implies backwards traditional closed minded conservative impules, and clearly Im of the progressive persuasion. You may not like my personality, and you may reasonably level charges of meanness and rudeness and dismissiveness at me with some degree of credibility. But you can`t call me an ignorant hick when you believe in an imaginary friend in the sky and I believe in science, proof, research, data, and reality. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Christians who kill are acting contrary to the teachings of Christ. The atheists I mentioned were acting consistently with their beliefs. |
Where does the Christian religion teach that it's never, ever right to kill, ever? Should Christians not have fought with the allied powers in WWII? Where is the line between killing to protect your home. Many Christians who kill think they are killing in line with their religious beliefs. It's okay to kill. As long as you're killing to protect life.
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| A holocaust is death on a massive scale, typically by burning. Millions of people are aborted in their mothers' wombs yearly. Sometimes they're injected with a saline solution, which gives them a burning feeling. But in all fairness, fine, they're not killed by burning. |
You may morally define life as beginning at conception but that's not the universally accepted definition. |
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tomato
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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There HAS to be a God!
Otherwise, how could a likeness of Elvis appear on a rock? |
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tomato
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 4:44 am Post subject: |
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I can say one thing about religion:
It is difficult for science to disprove the existence of supernatural entities.
The Egyptians worshipped a Sun god named Amon-Ra.
We now know that the Sun is a giant mass of hydrogen and helium.
How do we know that Amon-Ra isn't a giant mass of hydrogen and helium?
The Norse people believed in a thunder god named Thor.
We now know that thunder is caused by the meeting of hot air fronts and cold air fronts.
How do we know that Thor doesn't press hot air fronts and cold air fronts together?
People used to believe that bizarre behavior was caused by demon possession.
We know now that many of such cases are caused by a neurological malfunction which we call the Tourette syndrome.
How do we know that Satan doesn't cause neurological malfunctions? |
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all
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| Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 5:38 am Post subject: |
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| It is difficult for science to disprove the existence of supernatural entities. |
As I keep saying, it's not required that science disprove the supernatural, it is required that it's proponents actually do positively prove it. |
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Been There, Taught That
Joined: 10 Apr 2007
Location: Mungyeong: not a village, not yet a metroplex.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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| It is difficult for science to disprove the existence of supernatural entities. |
As I keep saying, it's not required that science disprove the supernatural, it is required that it's proponents actually do positively prove it. |
Try it the other way. Belief is a subcategory of opinion. As free-standing entities, none of us is required to be shaken out of our opinions. When scientific facts come along to prove otherwise, however, it's pretty foolish to continue to hold on to that disproved opinion. So the burden is on science. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 4:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Been There, Taught That wrote: |
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| It is difficult for science to disprove the existence of supernatural entities. |
As I keep saying, it's not required that science disprove the supernatural, it is required that it's proponents actually do positively prove it. |
Try it the other way. Belief is a subcategory of opinion. As free-standing entities, none of us is required to be shaken out of our opinions. When scientific facts come along to prove otherwise, however, it's pretty foolish to continue to hold on to that disproved opinion. So the burden is on science. |
Bahahaha. No. Sorry. If you claim X exists, the burden of proof is on you to demonstrate such. You're more than free to believe in your heart of hearts. But if you want to convince me, you're going to need to offer proof. |
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Been There, Taught That
Joined: 10 Apr 2007
Location: Mungyeong: not a village, not yet a metroplex.
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That's my point. If I'm going to have a belief, it's by definition going to be personal, and effective belief dictates that I should realize that no one else outside my small circle of one may ever be convinced of my belief. I may also add to it the corollary beliefs that no one else ever needs to be, and that nevertheless I am and will in the end be justified, sanctified, vindicated, etc.
However, if even I am going to be persuaded to stop cherishing my (perhaps only pseudo)(theo)logical opinion, then go on and compel me, for I don't have the internal means to search on my own for a reason to abandon my belief.
And I can explain that belief thoroughly in my own attempt to convince without deluding myself that I ever will. An attempt to convince is, at its politest, an invitation to think like me. |
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Alias
Joined: 24 Jan 2003
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tomato
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Cambodia has banned Christians from proselytizing |
After providing the Creationists with proof positive that stegosauruses walked the earth in geologically recent times?
How ironic! |
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luvnpeas
Joined: 03 Aug 2006
Location: somewhere i have never travelled
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| Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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| That's my point. If I'm going to have a belief,. |
Nobody cares about belief. We have belief like we have feces. It happens willy-nilly as an automatic, mechanical result of existence. The trick is to have knowledge. In order to have knowledge, you should have a strict standard of evidence and reason. This is no less true of "personal" knowledge than any other kind. If you declare beliefs to be knowledge because they are the very important to you, e.g. "I am in the image of God," you have no actual knowledge at all. |
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Bingo
Joined: 22 Jun 2006
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