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Gopher
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| BJWD wrote: |
| Source for what? What content of what argument? Are you high? |
Ah. That might explain much. |
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thepeel
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Gopher
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| Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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Sincinnatislink
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| Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| I do not believe you read that article I cited, but oddly did not link. Sure, Bruce Cumings at Univ. of Chicago is a very obscure academic and few listen to what he says. (Chuckling.) |
Apologies for not being on the pinko phone chain. He is obscure enough that you are not encouraging others to participate.
This is the sort of bullying I have accused you of in the past. You challenge others to argue, then tell them they aren't qualified, much less assume I haven't read the paper. Care to critique my summation?
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In any case, it is about Cumings's allegations that scholars who did not collaborate with the CIA were persecuted by the FBI and a secret network of informers within the academy. "Once again one senses that in this period you either consulted with the CIA or got investigated by the FBI." (p. 10 on my copy)
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This is not my argument. See above. You appear incapable of accepting that someone might believe RELATED things, albeit to a lesser degree. It would take me some time to read this paper thoroughly, but I find that perfectly plausible.
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Cumings names names and attacks scholars. Anybody who held anticommunist views or who consulted with the govt in any way, shape, or form. Philip Mosely, George Taylor, and others, for example. He accuses and denounces them.
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That's a bold claim to make. "Anyone"? Do you have a list of goodthinkful American scholars to compare to the list he discredited?
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He denounces govt grants and fellowships.
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As do I.
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He concludes with these and other "modest suggestions" (p. 19 on my copy):
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| Abolish the social sciences and group them under one heading: political economy...Abolish the CIA. |
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That sounds like a perfectly reasonable set of ideas for someone with Anarchist/Marxist views.
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I am not going to get into yet another fight with the wild-eyed extremely idealistic idealist radicals over this.
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Too late.
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My position is this: if you do not approve of govt grants, then do not accept govt grants. If you do not approve of scholars consulting with govt, then do not consult with the govt. But do not dictate what others may or may not do.
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You have become a little Eichmann.
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Do not force everyone in the social sciences into a Marxian "political-economy" dept. either.
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Yes, publishing this paper seriously threatened the stability of the current system of economic and political scholarship.
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And do not accuse people who consult with the govt of being "informers" or whatever else it is you have in mind unless you have a whole lot more than your impressions to back up what you are screaming at the rest of us.
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I believe he does. Is that what one calls "providing examples"?
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Now, Sincinnatislink: what evidence do you have to offer that there was anything at all involved in Churchill's firing besides what we now know? Do you have anything? |
If he's tenured, the University has the burden of proof, if memory serves. |
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Gopher
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| Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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thepeel
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| Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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Boy, if multinats are pulling all opinion from the corporate boardrooms, they sure hate themselves.
Among the last places on earth where one can call oneself a marxist and not get just (rightly) laughed at is the American University.
I get a kick out of the academic left crying about the totalitarian conditions that they toil under. Chomsky is the most cities author in modern academic history, but I suppose he is just a tool of the various arms firms that deal with MIT.
Back to the point.
WC was academically dishonest in many different ways. He deserved to be fired. |
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Sincinnatislink
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thepeel
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| Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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Do you believe that people who
1) lie on job applications (he is not Indian in any way/shape/form)
2) fabricate scholarly work
3) plagiarize
should be able to keep their tenure? What can we say of a university that would permit such rubbish to continue employment? |
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Sincinnatislink
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| Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Care to critique my summation? |
Yeah, how about this: it fails to account for this: several others here on this board have cited him and his work on the Korean War before and are already familiar with him.
That is why I chose him and not someone else like Buzanco.
Any other questions? |
What the hell? I asked you to critique my summation of that paper.
Once again, you bully me because I don't have very specialized knowledge.
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Among the last places on earth where one can call oneself a marxist and not get just (rightly) laughed at is the American University.
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You are retarded.
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Do you believe that people who
1) lie on job applications (he is not Indian in any way/shape/form)
2) fabricate scholarly work
3) plagiarize
should be able to keep their tenure? What can we say of a university that would permit such rubbish to continue employment?
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If that information was obtained illegally, that person should keep his job. A dime bag in a glove box is forgiven the instant one finds a cop illegally searched a car.
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thepeel
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| Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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Among the last places on earth where one can call oneself a marxist and not get just (rightly) laughed at is the American University.
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You are retarded. |
So, then, you are in Korea on a fake degree. If you think that I'm "retarded" for pointing out that the Yank Uni is full of hard-leftist who are taken seriously then you did not attend Uni. |
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Sincinnatislink
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| Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Are these nonexistent/laughed at professors much like those nonexistent/laughed at communist parties in central Europe? |
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thepeel
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| Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Sincinnatislink wrote: |
| Gopher wrote: |
| Sincinnatislink wrote: |
| Care to critique my summation? |
Yeah, how about this: it fails to account for this: several others here on this board have cited him and his work on the Korean War before and are already familiar with him.
That is why I chose him and not someone else like Buzanco.
Any other questions? |
What the hell? I asked you to critique my summation of that paper.
Once again, you bully me because I don't have very specialized knowledge.
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Among the last places on earth where one can call oneself a marxist and not get just (rightly) laughed at is the American University.
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You are retarded.
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Do you believe that people who
1) lie on job applications (he is not Indian in any way/shape/form)
2) fabricate scholarly work
3) plagiarize
should be able to keep their tenure? What can we say of a university that would permit such rubbish to continue employment?
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If that information was obtained illegally, that person should keep his job. A dime bag in a glove box is forgiven the instant one finds a cop illegally searched a car. |
Jesus Christ. You call me the retard?
What information? He dishonest job application? The late-night threats of violence to female Canadian academics who pointed out his theft? His fabrication of history? What about this do you not get?
I know your type. If he were a Bushlover you would want him gone. Your just defending the home team, aren't ya.
"The athletic team from my general geographic region is better than the athletic team from your general geographic region". |
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Sincinnatislink
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| Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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BJWD, you continue to support my initial claim.
You are retarded. |
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thepeel
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Gopher
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| Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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I have asked you to cite your evidence, illustrate this link in this particular case.
And, at the end of the day, you have nothing except your dislike of the govt and multinationals.
That is the bottom line.
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