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Troll_Bait

Joined: 04 Jan 2006 Location: [T]eaching experience doesn't matter much. -Lee Young-chan (pictured)
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 5:36 pm Post subject: Proof that the "aid workers" were proselytizing |
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Arirang TV has repeatedly referred to the hostages as "aid workers." They are missionaries who went there to proselytize, and here's the proof. This was lifted from one of the missionaries' cyword pages, and as you can see, they were teaching Afghan children to chant Christian prayers in Korean.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIS0rkPMKt0&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fmetropolitician%2Eblogs%2Ecom%2Fscribblings%5Fof%5Fthe%5Fmetrop%2F
Just to be clear about my feelings ... The government tells people, for their own safety, to put on seatbelts, and punishes them if they do not. If someone refuses to put on a seatbelt, arguing that it is their "right", and they have an accident, then I feel sympathy for their pain and/or death, but I also think that they were foolish.
The government repeatedly told this church not to send members to Afghanistan. And what did they do? They defied them and went there anyway, and posed, giggling and flashing "V" signs, in front of a sign that says, "Do NOT go to Afghanistan unless you really, really have to."
I hope that the remaining hostages come home safe, and I'm sorry that one of them has died, but I also think that they were all foolhardy, and that the church leaders should be held accountable for sending them in harm's way. |
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denistron
Joined: 21 Oct 2006 Location: Busan
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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I agree with your argument about the seat belt. It is however unfortunate that we can argue a justification for human suffering.
They shouldn't have gone there in the first place. But they did of their own will. It is a war torn country. Not a place for the faint hearted. If they didn't expect that they could die, then they were either uneducated of the dangers, or ignored them.
Some could argue that the church may have pushed them into going. And they would probably be right. But going was a choice made of their own free will. It's a shame for those who will now die.
No one is responsible but them. They did it to themselves.
If anyone can figure out a way to save their lives, I am all ears. |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Location: Seoul, South Korea
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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Is that really the same group of missionaries responsible for the video?
Muslims have suicide bombers and Christians have suicide missionaries. It's the circle of life.
I thought we were past the stage of debating whether they were missionaries or not, but here's some more proof. Ability to read Korean is important.
Upper left: they're singing Christian songs inside a mosque. Yes, they are dressed in local clothes, probably the only smart thing they did.
Upper right: visiting a very dangerous site in warlord territory to sing more Christian songs.
Lower right: an account of going into one of the most dangerous parts of Afghanistan, after being warned away by locals. Their driver was a Muslim who would stop five times a day to pray at the side of the road (pictured), and they would pray that someday he would know the truth.
Lower left: a sampling of Korean comments on the CyWorld page after they discovered the hostage's cyworld page.
Over here are some pictures of them visiting an important Muslim grave and having a Christian singalong.
http://blog.naver.com/shid22?Redirect=Log&logNo=110020240011 |
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billybrobby

Joined: 09 Dec 2004
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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I totally agree. I don't know a lot of details about this case, but on the surface it seems that this expedition, tragic as it is, was a spectacularly moronic idea. I was raised christian; I went to church every sunday for years until I grew out of it, and these people have had no luck convincing ME to sing their silly songs. |
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billybrobby

Joined: 09 Dec 2004
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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RACETRAITOR wrote: |
Their driver was a Muslim who would stop five times a day to pray at the side of the road (pictured), and they would pray that someday he would know the truth.
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Sheesh. Like two people arguing whether a unicorn can fly faster than superman. |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Location: Seoul, South Korea
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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billybrobby wrote: |
RACETRAITOR wrote: |
Their driver was a Muslim who would stop five times a day to pray at the side of the road (pictured), and they would pray that someday he would know the truth.
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Sheesh. Like two people arguing whether a unicorn can fly faster than superman. |
Well have you ever seen a unicorn reverse the orbit of the Earth, turning back time? |
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PeterDragon
Joined: 15 Feb 2007
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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RACETRAITOR wrote: |
Well have you ever seen a unicorn reverse the orbit of the Earth, turning back time? |
Oh, please. A unicorn could reverse expand the entire universe, bringing time back to the big bang.
I pray that someday you will know the truth. |
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NAVFC
Joined: 10 May 2006
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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shutup, the lot of you.These people did something alot of you spineless cowards would likely not be willing to do: They put their lives on the line for what they believe and they risked their lives to spread the word. One of them was even martyred.
That takes GUTS to go to a muslim country tospread christianity. They knew it was wore torn, they knew it was Islamic, but they did it anyway! Those Koreans are brave and courageous anddeserve respect and admiration for putting their lives on the line for what they believe. May God bring them all back safely. |
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Troll_Bait

Joined: 04 Jan 2006 Location: [T]eaching experience doesn't matter much. -Lee Young-chan (pictured)
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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I think that one reason that they've gotten themselves into so much trouble is that their antics are treated with such patience and tolerance here.
Now, replace the Korean Buddhist monk with a muslim imam, and I think you'll see what I mean. Unfortunately, this is a tragic example of what happens when Koreans, as they so often do, don't treat countries that they're visiting with enough respect.
And the American station CBS broadcast an interview with one of the hostages.
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200707/200707270010.html
Look at this picture. They thought they were going to Disneyland or something. They had no idea what they were getting into. I'll say it again: The church leaders need to be held accountable. On the far right is the poor guy who got killed. R.I.P.
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swetepete

Joined: 01 Nov 2006 Location: a limp little burg
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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NAVFC--
But you could make that same argument, regarding the suicide boat that hit the Cole, or the hijackers who hit the WTC.
Guts and putting your life on the line for what you believe in isn't innately praiseworthy, IMHO. I mean, come on, the Nazis filled those prerequisites, and nobody thinks we should respect them. |
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NAVFC
Joined: 10 May 2006
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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Troll_Bait wrote: |
I think that one reason that they've gotten themselves into so much trouble is that their antics are treated with such patience and tolerance here.
Now, replace the Korean Buddhist monk with a muslim imam, and I think you'll see what I mean. Unfortunately, this is a tragic example of what happens when Koreans, as they so often do, don't treat countries that they're visiting with enough respect.
And the American station CBS broadcast an interview with one of the hostages.
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200707/200707270010.html
Look at this picture. They thought they were going to Disneyland or something. They had no idea what they were getting into. I'll say it again: The church leaders need to be held accountable. On the far right is the poor guy who got killed. R.I.P.
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Bullshit! Many nations and many churches send missionaries places, muslim countries, even at risk of death. The difference between them and you is that you people cant understand it seems when someone believes something with all their heart and soul and are willing to die for it.
Brave persons, all of them. |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Location: Seoul, South Korea
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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NAVFC wrote: |
shutup, the lot of you.These people did something alot of you spineless cowards would likely not be willing to do: They put their lives on the line for what they believe and they risked their lives to spread the word. One of them was even martyred.
That takes GUTS to go to a muslim country tospread christianity. They knew it was wore torn, they knew it was Islamic, but they did it anyway! Those Koreans are brave and courageous anddeserve respect and admiration for putting their lives on the line for what they believe. May God bring them all back safely. |
You've got me there. I doubt any of us would go to one of the most dangerous wartorn countries in the world, seek out the most dangerous part of that country which known enemies of your country and religion are known to control, and have a singalong. Would you?
Based on my understanding of Christianity, people who commit suicide don't go to Heaven. This was suicide by Muslim insurgency.
Anyway, mission accomplished. Maybe the Muslim terrorists who will be freed so these missionaries can live will turn to the Lord rather than go on a killing spree once they're released. |
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NAVFC
Joined: 10 May 2006
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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swetepete wrote: |
NAVFC--
But you could make that same argument, regarding the suicide boat that hit the Cole, or the hijackers who hit the WTC.
Guts and putting your life on the line for what you believe in isn't innately praiseworthy, IMHO. I mean, come on, the Nazis filled those prerequisites, and nobody thinks we should respect them. |
Theres a differnce between blwoing yourself up killing innocents, and merely preaching to people. |
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NAVFC
Joined: 10 May 2006
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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RACETRAITOR wrote: |
NAVFC wrote: |
shutup, the lot of you.These people did something alot of you spineless cowards would likely not be willing to do: They put their lives on the line for what they believe and they risked their lives to spread the word. One of them was even martyred.
That takes GUTS to go to a muslim country tospread christianity. They knew it was wore torn, they knew it was Islamic, but they did it anyway! Those Koreans are brave and courageous anddeserve respect and admiration for putting their lives on the line for what they believe. May God bring them all back safely. |
You've got me there. I doubt any of us would go to one of the most dangerous wartorn countries in the world, seek out the most dangerous part of that country which known enemies of your country and religion are known to control, and have a singalong. Would you?
Based on my understanding of Christianity, people who commit suicide don't go to Heaven. This was suicide by Muslim insurgency.
Anyway, mission accomplished. Maybe the Muslim terrorists who will be freed so these missionaries can live will turn to the Lord rather than go on a killing spree once they're released. |
Thy didnt commit suicide. They went to spread the word, as christianity asks of christians to do. If they even changed one persons mind over there, then more power to them. |
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Wisconsinite

Joined: 05 Jan 2007
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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NAVFC wrote: |
shutup, the lot of you.These people did something alot of you spineless cowards would likely not be willing to do: They put their lives on the line for what they believe and they risked their lives to spread the word. One of them was even martyred.
That takes GUTS to go to a muslim country tospread christianity. They knew it was wore torn, they knew it was Islamic, but they did it anyway! Those Koreans are brave and courageous anddeserve respect and admiration for putting their lives on the line for what they believe. May God bring them all back safely. |
I admire people who stand up for what they believe in but in this case I totally disagree. I guess this is one of the reasons I shun organized religion for the most part (I am Episcopalian and I attend chapel 3 times a week, but it took me forever to find a place that embraced my faith) because in many cases there is a very strong arrogance with Christianity. I don't believe that people should try to talk someone out of their faith or try to change their minds about who and what God is to them. I really feel for the people and family and friends involved in this mess and I would never wish it on anyone nor do I think they were asking for it. I just think that they were a little arrogant and very, very naive and unfortunately the consequences in this case were disastrous. I too wish them home safely but I will not pretend that they were not careless, naive, and arrogant to be going there in the first place. |
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