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[thepeel]

Your initial point was"

"Yes, this certainly discredits the left as a whole. " With an elementary emoticon attached.

Which was a response to G's assertion of "X". I'm fully unconcerned with that.

I want to make sure that "TeamLeft " tards don't claim that he has been fired for anything other than his established pattern of dishonesty. He is a fraud. Full stop. Academica can not have 100% frauds tarnishing the scholarship of all academics. He brings the whole system down.

About the other discussions, you did not attend uni if you think that corporations control them. The academy has a hard-left bias. You might want to listen to Gopher and I on this, as we both have graduate educations.

[Sincinnatislink]

Ward Churchill is just a noteworthy example of yet another person saying something unpopular and those who disagree looking for something to discredit him.
None of the claims made about his character or research refute the substantive, unpopular statements he has made (I don't give a shit if he claims to be a ruler of a distant galaxy, frankly), nor can they. He uses rather simple deductive logic in the work that any of us give a shit about, and his behavior elsewhere has been used to attack his perfectly reasonable statements in that work, and, by extension, him.
I have yet to hear a substantial treatment of his claims in that paper. Anywhere.

[Sincinnatislink]

[thepeel]

In his "some push back"? He made many fabrications in that as well.

As in, claiming that 100,000 Iraqi's were killed on one road towards the end of the road. It was a few hundred.

But if you like his conclusion, fine. Here is a secret, tool, I do too. I agree that 9/11 was the direct result of American meddling in the muslim world. I don't agree (cause I'm not a ethically stunted monster) that the people who died got what was coming to them.

But, as someone who just graduated with a masters degree, I'm very concerned with academic plagiarism and dishonesty. No matter what I think of his work, he must be fired.

You have removed your cloak, and we all now see you for what you are.

I'd put the odds that you went to Uni at 4-1 against. G, what do you think?

[thepeel]

[Gopher]

[Kuros]

[Gopher]

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[Sincinnatislink]

Of course not. It turns us all into Neoliberals or Straussians, silly.

Any my argument for not firing him is this:

He was brought under public scrutiny for perfectly legal behavior. This public scrutiny led to claims of academic impropriety, or at least bolstered those previously-ignored claims. Had he not said unpopular things publicly, he would almost certainly be just another (insert whatever) studies prof in a middling department saying dumb things while nobody besides 101-level students listened.

That is my argument. No probable cause. That's all.

[Gopher]

[thepeel]

Shall we undress your logic?

He is a fraud.
Fraud is just-cause for dismissal.
He criticized the America government.
His comments caught the attention of larger society.
He is being fired for being a fraud.
Sincin believe he should not be fired for being a fraud BECAUSE he publicly criticized the American government.

THUS

If you are a fraud and don�t want to get fired, criticize the American government in public.

That would be quite the world to live in..

[mack4289]

He deserved to get fired. If he hadn't called the people in the towers "Little Eichmanns" he probably never would've been investigated, that's true.

But he did make that stupid statement and so he was investigated, which makes sense. He's at a partly-state funded university, teaching students at some expense to the taxpayers. The taxpayers have a right to be concerned that they're paying for a crackpot to teach students nonsense. When the crackpot makes an inflammatory public statement revealing how dumb he is, it makes sense to think, "This guy is such an idiot that we should check out his credentials."

Unfortunately, the resources aren't available to investigate every professor this way. So if you're as fraudelent as Churchill but still smart enough not to compare people killed in a terrorist attack to one of the most notorious Nazi bureaucrats, you'll probably keep your job. But if you are so out of touch with reality that you do make that comparison and you don't have a spotless background, you're going to get fired. Seems fair enough.

[Sincinnatislink]

Later.
My God you people are dense.

[thepeel]