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manlyboy



Joined: 01 Aug 2004
Location: Darwin, Northern Territory, Australia

PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eddie Izzard did a tv program called "Mongrel Britain" (or something like that) where he learned a few words and phrases of old English from the middle ages, then went to the Netherlands to try them out, and he was actually able to make himself understood.
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maston



Joined: 16 Jan 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 1:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm scandinavian, speak good english and never had a native english speaking teacher in my life.

It's an asian thing I guess.. Having an American english teacher means higher status in some weird way.
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Juregen



Joined: 30 May 2006

PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 9:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

maston wrote:
I'm scandinavian, speak good english and never had a native english speaking teacher in my life.

It's an asian thing I guess.. Having an American english teacher means higher status in some weird way.


And missing out on a lot of opportunities to get good non native speaking English teachers coming over!
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SPINOZA



Joined: 10 Jun 2005
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 11:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whilst I'm aware of the fact that, excluding Frisian for a sec, Dutch is the closest relative of English, in my opinion Danes and Icelandic people speak accentless English, or actually pick up local accents from the area they're familiar with. See the famous examples of Danish soccer players Jan Molby and Peter Schmeichel, who spoke English in a Liverpool and Manchester [edit: accent] respectively. Eidur Gudjonsen (Iceland) also sounds like he's from West London. Fluent Dutch speakers of English always sound like they're from the Netherlands.

Just a thought.


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Alyallen



Joined: 29 Mar 2004
Location: The 4th Greatest Place on Earth = Jeonju!!!

PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 1:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SPINOZA wrote:
Whilst I'm aware of the fact that, excluding Frisian for a sec, Dutch is the closest relative of English, in my opinion Danes and Icelandic people speak accentless English, or actually pick up local accents from the area they're familiar with. See the famous examples of Danish soccer players Jan Molby and Peter Schmeichel, who spoke English in a Liverpool and Manchester respectively. Eidur Gudjonsen (Iceland) also sounds like he's from West London. Fluent Dutch speakers of English always sound like they're from the Netherlands.

Just a thought.


On a slightly related note...

I went to school with quite a few Swedes in the U.S. and every single last one of them sounded British. I think their teachers were either trained in England or were English themselves. It was quite disconcerting actually. The funny thing was that after 4 years in the U.S. only a handful had anything similar to an American accent. I suppose it was so ingrained that they couldn't give up the accent.... Question
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wo buxihuan hanguoren



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 1:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or just that American girls are easier when one has a pom accent I guess.
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Alyallen



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 2:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wo buxihuan hanguoren wrote:
Or just that American girls are easier when one has a pom accent I guess.


Good point.

Some of those guys, while being complete assholes, were HOT and definitely getting some....
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yushin



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 4:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry...but I've travelled extensively in "Scandinavia" and the odd professional footballer, manager or politician aside people from these countries (Norway, Sweden, Finland and Denmark) do not speak "good" or indeed any kind of English at all... though I have got to admit that the Dutch have the best English in Europe...maybe even better than Eire!

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samd



Joined: 03 Jan 2007

PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have met a few Koreans who claim to have learned their limited but still OK English from TV or "hip hop" but I don't believe them. Maybe combined with some self study, or classes at school it helps, but normally the input level is just too high.

I'd be an expert Korean speaker if this was the case, but I'm not, I've just watched countless hours of SBS, KBS and MBC. If I'd spent all of those hours studying Korean, I'd be far more advanced.
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