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ucfvgirl



Joined: 28 Sep 2005
Location: Bundang

PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 9:57 pm    Post subject: Children and Seatbelts Reply with quote

I am just wondering why Koreans think that the driver needs to wear a seatbelt, but the rest of the passengers don't, especially babies and children. Are they ignorant to the fact that children can be thrown through the windshield with the slightest bump? It bothers me that the driver values their own life, but doesn't seem to care about the other people in the car.

Everyday I see children bouncing around the car, hanging their heads out the window without a care in the world. Everyday I see woman holding new born babies on their laps with no seatbelt or child car seat. However, today I saw what I would call the icing on the cake. A man was driving holding a baby, maybe 9 months old on his lap. I was walking my dog and he had the baby hanging out the window looking at my dog. Granted the car was stopped at a light, but why was the baby on his lap to begin with? Last week, I saw a small child standing on the floor in front of the front passenger seat, looking out the window. A little bump and that kids' neck would be jammed up against the dashboard. What the hell is wrong with people?

It just pisses me off to no end to see children jumping around the car. Doesn't Korea have a law about seatbelts? Or child car seats? And if they do, then where are the police enforcements? I just get so angry when I see this.

Any insight into why Koreans think it's ok to put their children at risk of serious injury or even death would be helpful. Now I understand why immigrants in Canada participate in this dangerous behaviour.
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korea252



Joined: 17 Jul 2006
Location: Seoul, Haebangchon

PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi
I agree about car seats - better safe than sorry.
Just wondering though if seeing babies on buses and subways concerns you just as much?
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kat2



Joined: 25 Oct 2005
Location: Busan, South Korea

PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They passed a law last year to require all passengers to wear seatbelts or all children to be in carseats (I can't remember which one right now). It was repealed b/c the citizens complained that was too inconvenient.
I say-- they've made thier bed. now let them lie in it. (and yes, I've been in Korea too long)
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jaganath69



Joined: 17 Jul 2003

PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Highest infant mortality rate in car crashes in the OECD, yet some griped that "we don't need foreigners to tell us how to look after our kids, we Koreans have our own ways" when the car seat controversy was raging. The other day I was following a small car in which two young kids were rolling around on the ledge in front of the back window. Now that speaks volumes to me.
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periwinkle



Joined: 08 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jaganath69 wrote:
Highest infant mortality rate in car crashes in the OECD, yet some griped that "we don't need foreigners to tell us how to look after our kids, we Koreans have our own ways" when the car seat controversy was raging. The other day I was following a small car in which two young kids were rolling around on the ledge in front of the back window. Now that speaks volumes to me.


I've seen dogs lounging in the back window ledge, as well. It's a pretty funny sight, until I start visualizing Fifi getting thrown fwd in a rear-end collision....
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potin14p



Joined: 04 May 2006

PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

this drives me nuts. I remember talking to kids at school about this, and getting the same reaction.
"Teacher, no! Seatbelts are too uncomfortable!"
So then i tried the "which would you rather be: uncomfortable, or dead? " and they all said 'dead'. honestly. where is the comon sense?
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blaseblasphemener



Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be

PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For those of you too young to remember the 80s, at that time seatbelt laws were put into effect. People raised holy hell in the West. Almost nobody wore seatbelts, and only European luxury cars had shoulder straps in the back seat. Korea is about 30 years behind the west on many issues, and this happens to be one of them. Time will change things. In the meantime, look for countless babies to die unnecessarily.
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periwinkle



Joined: 08 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 11:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

potin14p wrote:
this drives me nuts. I remember talking to kids at school about this, and getting the same reaction.
"Teacher, no! Seatbelts are too uncomfortable!"
So then i tried the "which would you rather be: uncomfortable, or dead? " and they all said 'dead'. honestly. where is the comon sense?


I don't even notice a seatbelt, until I forget to take it off when getting out of the car (ooops). Mr. Green What the hell are your kids doing in the car that it makes them uncomfortable? Gymnastics routines? heh, heh~

P.S. The guy I carpool with forgot to pick us up because he was still s h i t faced from the night before. He didn't realize he forgot about us til he arrived at the paking lot. Anyway, the point of my story is to watch out for drunk drivers in the am! Wink
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Alyallen



Joined: 29 Mar 2004
Location: The 4th Greatest Place on Earth = Jeonju!!!

PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 11:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

blaseblasphemener wrote:
For those of you too young to remember the 80s, at that time seatbelt laws were put into effect. People raised holy hell in the West. Almost nobody wore seatbelts, and only European luxury cars had shoulder straps in the back seat. Korea is about 30 years behind the west on many issues, and this happens to be one of them. Time will change things. In the meantime, look for countless babies to die unnecessarily.


In a country with a falling birthrate, you would think they would make damn good sure that every kid that is born makes it to adulthood. Oh...silly me!

Korea: Where logic comes to die...
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xtchr



Joined: 23 Nov 2004

PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 11:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been told on quite a few occasions it's because "Korea steel No 1", therefore "Korea car strong". Rolling Eyes
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tzechuk



Joined: 20 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 12:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BTW, the law that they passed was later revoked. So, no, there's no law about children being in car seats.
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Pak Yu Man



Joined: 02 Jun 2005
Location: The Ida galaxy

PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 4:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

periwinkle wrote:

I've seen dogs lounging in the back window ledge, as well. It's a pretty funny sight, until I start visualizing Fifi getting thrown fwd in a rear-end collision....


Fifi would get thrown forward if the car hit something and stopped suddenly. If rear-ended...fifi would go squish against the back window.

This also bugs me. Car seats are so expensive here...now I know why. Nobody uses the freakin things.

When we lived in Daegu and the wife was driving her neices and nephews around I'd always yell at them to sit down, shut up and put on their seat belts. Their parents let them ride without a belt, but my car my rules.

So one great day my wife had to break hard to avoid an accident. Little Yae-sul flew face first into the back of my seat and busted up her lip really bad She had taken off her belt and I didn't know.

Well the dumb little twits put on their belts everytime after that.
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Bondgirl



Joined: 26 May 2007
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 9:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are right, it is appalling, however, it's not only Korea that's like this about kids in cars, and seat belts. A lot of Europe does similar stuff, and like here, they are crazy crazy in love with their kids- they just do things differently. Some of that 'differently' business is dangerous and it will take time to educate and change behaviors. They would argue that their kids are uncomfortable and don't like being tied up in the car and grizzle. You argue it's dangerous and they must be protected. Different styles of thinking.
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blaseblasphemener



Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be

PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My grandparents told me that when they were much younger, they used to pack a coktail for the road, when they had to go on a drive outside the city. It's amazing how times change. I also remember doing 10 hour drives across the Prairies with my parents both puffing away on their cigs. My cousins whose parents didn't smoke complained when they rode in our car. I thought they were just being whiney.
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