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[arjuna]

Gaza's Reality

Would you be able to live like this?

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"I didn't even get to enjoy the sunglasses that my dad gave me, even the bracelets and the necklace that my mom gave me. I didn't even get to enjoy my rings. How am I supposed to enjoy all of my belongings? How? Enjoy my things with what?"

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article15693.htm

[Junior]

[ddeubel]

I feel it unfortunate that people don't take this seriously. People on this message board or elsewhere. It simply gets put aside, whisked under the rug and if ever addressed, it is done so with the simplistic and facile wave of a hand, "they get what they deserve. It's their own fault."

I've told this story before but I used to for many, many years, cheer on the Israeli fighter jets. I championed Israeli military might, as an anecdote to the pain and humiliation of not just the holocaust but the diaspora, the wandering. I believed that strength would only be at the barrel of a gun and by vigilance.

Slowly, I found out about how a society built on this premise becomes morally bankrupted. How it is dehumanized and crawls in the mud with its victims (despite appearances). I learnt of the pain caused others and the loss, unnecessary loss of life, rights and liberty. I saw no reason for much of what Israeli had done. I changed my tune.

This video, along with many others, lends a voice to the powerless. Any decent person and nation (if a nation in this day and age can be) should voice outrage, irregardless of if it will do any good or not. This should be the basic human response, not the shrug of the shoulders of so many and their "they deserve it.".

Until both sides see each other as "humans", it won't stop. The first step is realizing how one's actions are making of others "inhuman".

DD

[contrarian]

touching: If Muslim males had half the courage of that little girl they might get over the humiliation of being defeated by the Jews and get jobs.

Why not?

As evidenced in every place where the Palestinian refugees have gone, even their fellow Arabs don't want them.

They parade wounded children past the screen, but they don't parade the fact that rockets went into Israel from places where these poor children are used a shileds.

[ddeubel]

[Big_Bird]

[ddeubel]

And I would add to the comment about "parading" and Arab men in Palestine, being afraid to show their face and so let a little girl speak for them....

Fact is, "masking" in Gaza and the West Bank, is not a form of cowardice at all. It is a necessity, given that if the Israelis see their face, they might expect instant death (and to their family) or torture when captured.

Friedman, wrote a recent column in the N.Y.Times about how he hated seeing all these "cowardly" men, behind masks ....... he lost all my respect (what little I had) pretending to be an astute commentator and now even knowing the reason why these men wore those masks. He thought they reveled in the joy of anonymity, like ravenous dogs --- he doesn't know a thing.

DD

[contrarian]

Humiliation don't count for very much. Suck it up, get over it and go get a job. Starvation, dead children, the malaise of being permanent dole cravers, the suicide belted children or the pretend suicide belts on little children. That rates a lot higher than humiliation.

Men that hide behind masks and children are indeed cowards. What at they hiding? They are hiding their self expressed willingness to do vile terrible things and hope that they won't get caught.

In my teen years I was beaten and umiliated by a large adversary, He forces me to me knees and mafe me lick his shoes. I did it, the made him relax, in getting up I kneed him full strenth in the cajones.

Humiliation don't count for squat.

Oh yes, and the reason I was attacked - well I just happened to be one of a handfull (5 or 6) white kids in a Native American high school. Racism cuts both ways. I am not a racist, but I feel that some cultures are worthy of very little respect.

[just alittlecrazy]

two sides to every story:

[Big_Bird]

[arjuna]

Pre-Traumatic Stress Disorder - A Glimpse Into Israeli Collective Psychosis

By Gilad Atzmon

While many may find it heartening or amusing that even an Israeli right winger cannot see a ray of light at the end of the Zionist tunnel, it is rather disconcerting to read that Israelis are already seriously contemplating their next Shoah. I would argue here that it is exactly this form of deadly meditation that turns Israel, Israelis, global Zionists and Neocons into the gravest enemies of world peace.

Indeed, a growing number of people want to see an end to Israel, the �Jew Only State�. Yet, no one around expresses any murderous or terminal plans against world Jewry or even against their Jewish State. No one in the political or the media spheres is calling for a homicidal act against the Jews or their Jewish State. Thus the well-established Judeocentric tendency to interpret almost any legitimate political and ideological criticism as a perpetration of an upcoming Judeocide should be comprehended as a severe form of paranoia verging on collective psychosis, which I define as Pre-Traumatic Stress Disorder (Pre-TSD).

Within the condition of the Pre-Traumatic Stress Disorder, the stress is the outcome of a phantasmic event, an imaginary episode set in the future; an event that has never taken place. Unlike the PTSD (Post Traumatic Stress Disorder) in which stress comes as the direct reaction to an event that (may) have taken place in the past, within the state of Pre-TSD, the stress is the clearly the outcome of an imaginary potential event. Within the Pre-TSD, an illusion pre-empts reality and the condition in which the fantasy of terror is focussed is itself becoming grave reality. If it is taken to extremes, even an agenda of total war against the rest of the world is not an unthinkable reaction.

One may wonder at this stage whether Pre-TSD is just another name for paranoia. I would argue that the difference between the two is rather obvious. In the case of paranoia he who is subject to the disease makes us feel sorry for him. In the case of confrontation with a Pre-TSD case, we happen to feel sorry for ourselves. Unlike the case of paranoia wherein the sufferer is subject to his own symptoms, in the case of Pre-TSD the sufferer actually celebrates his symptoms while others are left with the role of the audience. Regarding paranoia, we can clearly point out that the sufferer is deluded and captured within a phantasmic universe. Concerning Pre-TSD, the �supposedly healthy�, are �not so sure�, they too manage to lose the grip of reality. More than once we end up believing the Pre-TSD sufferer when he claims that he is indeed a victim of a �future phantasmic crime�. We somehow happen to participate in the fantasy. However, we are the addressees as long as we remain silent. Once we raise our voices, once we point out that the future crime is yet to happen and actually may never happen, we then immediately become part the crime ourselves.

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[just alittlecrazy]

[contrarian]

arjuna:

Useless psychobabel.

[Junior]

[just alittlecrazy]