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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 1:10 pm    Post subject: Racial Divide over Vick... Reply with quote

Racial divide

By Dan Wetzel, Yahoo! Sports
July 26, 2007




RICHMOND, Va. � The crowded, chaotic sidewalk on Main Street, across from the federal courthouse, was an unlikely location for a lesson on the virtues of the fifth amendment.

But standing behind a throng that wanted a pound of Michael Vick's flesh � people that had just screamed for the Atlanta Falcons quarterback to "burn in hell" and held signs advocating his murder, torture and neutering � was Thomas Smith in work boots and a white t-shirt.

High above his head he held a simple sign with just a single word: "Constitution."

"These folks have convicted a man who hasn't even had a chance to defend himself," said Smith. "They just forget everything about America."

But here was America in full force, full vision, mixing it up while Vick pled not guilty to federal charges pertaining to an alleged dog-fighting ring on property he owned in rural Surry County. And front and center, impossible to ignore, was race.

Like Smith, almost all of the people supporting Vick or holding signs pleading for "due process" and "innocence until proven guilty" were African American.

On the other side was an emotional, angry, passionate anti-Vick group that was overwhelmingly white.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=dw-vickhearing072607&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 1:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a feeling if a white man beat a black man in a racially motivated way there wouldn't be black people holding signs saying "Constitution".
Granted, no one should be really protesting whether they are purple, black, or white and let the judge do his job. Vick is still supposed to be innocent until proven guilty despite what was found on his property which seems to strongly indicate that he was guilty. I am sure there must be African Americans who are dog lovers who are appalled that Vick may have done this and think the evidence collected so far makes him look shameful. I wouldn't be protesting for or against him and think judges are supposed to mete out justice, not crowds of any racial background.

Anyway, what about protesting more serious things like what the government is doing, the Attorney General Gonzalez who should be fired etc... People are not getting worked up enough over more important issues...
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just look at the Duke lacross players rape fiasco.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SO WHAT? They do this same crap with Bonds and OJ as well. It's like, "It's a Black guy, let's follow how many of his "kind" like him or agree with him." What's the journalistic value of that?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A racial divide? In Atlanta? You don't say!

(I was the only white woman on my grade for three years in my public school in Atlanta, the only "full" white person ever in my classroom. One kid once called me a "white honky wh)re b1tch." Did my all-black admin team do a thing to him? Nope. However, his father came to school and beat him outside of my classroom door.)
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Atavistic wrote:
One kid once called me a "white honky wh)re b1tch."


DAMN Shocked There is no way on Earth I'd ever say that in school....EVER

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However, his father came to school and beat him outside of my classroom door.


And that would be the reason why....

Kids with no manners and no training...sigh Confused
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 11:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alyallen wrote:
Atavistic wrote:
One kid once called me a "white honky wh)re b1tch."


DAMN Shocked There is no way on Earth I'd ever say that in school....EVER


Yeah, a fifth grader.

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However, his father came to school and beat him outside of my classroom door.


And that would be the reason why....

Kids with no manners and no training...sigh Confused


I was in a trailer at the time. The other kids looked at me and said, "Ms. Atavistic, he's really hitting him."

I just closed the door and let him spend a long time in the bathroom after his father left.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alyallen wrote:
SO WHAT? They do this same crap with Bonds and OJ as well. It's like, "It's a Black guy, let's follow how many of his "kind" like him or agree with him." What's the journalistic value of that?

I think the problem is the black folks treating every black celebrity that goes to jail like they're Nelson Mandella while their neighbors get sent up for 10 years for having a doob in their glove compartment and them not saying much of anything about it.

I mean, seriously... supporting Michael Jackson and R. Kelly?
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 5:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

twg wrote:
Alyallen wrote:
SO WHAT? They do this same crap with Bonds and OJ as well. It's like, "It's a Black guy, let's follow how many of his "kind" like him or agree with him." What's the journalistic value of that?

I think the problem is the black folks treating every black celebrity that goes to jail like they're Nelson Mandella while their neighbors get sent up for 10 years for having a doob in their glove compartment and them not saying much of anything about it.

I mean, seriously... supporting Michael Jackson and R. Kelly?


Not every black person supports these guys like Nelson Mandela.

That's like saying that every pro-life person supports this guy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Robert_Rudolph

Or that every polygamist sides with this guy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_Jeffs

Or hell, why not claim that every white person supports this guy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush

It's just a cheap easy story to toss up on a newspaper or online site. It makes a whole lot of nothing and is a lazy journalistic effort bordering on fluff....


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 5:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's an article where Vick is being tied to another dog fighting incident, it turns out it wasn't him after all.

What I found interesting was that they were willing to name Vicks as a "person of interest," but weren't willing to name the other, "person of interest."

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PHOENIX (AP) -- The sheriff's office in Phoenix now says there is no apparent tie between Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick and a 2004 dog fighting investigating in the Phoenix suburb of Gilbert.

Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio earlier told a Phoenix radio station that Vick is a "person of interest regarding pit bull fighting."

But this afternoon Arpaio's press office says that's not the case.

They say in a statement that after learning of Vick's indictment in Virginia on federal dog fighting charges, local detectives recalled a case where a witness said an NFL player may be involved in organizing dog fights.

After reviewing the long-closed case, detectives found the player was not Vick.

The sheriff's office won't release the other player's name.

http://www.azfamily.com/news/local/stories/KTVKLNews20070726_sheriffs-probe.b38851b1.html
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 7:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fresh Prince wrote:
Here's an article where Vick is being tied to another dog fighting incident, it turns out it wasn't him after all.

What I found interesting was that they were willing to name Vicks as a "person of interest," but weren't willing to name the other, "person of interest."

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Associated Press Report

PHOENIX (AP) -- The sheriff's office in Phoenix now says there is no apparent tie between Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick and a 2004 dog fighting investigating in the Phoenix suburb of Gilbert.

Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio earlier told a Phoenix radio station that Vick is a "person of interest regarding pit bull fighting."

But this afternoon Arpaio's press office says that's not the case.

They say in a statement that after learning of Vick's indictment in Virginia on federal dog fighting charges, local detectives recalled a case where a witness said an NFL player may be involved in organizing dog fights.

After reviewing the long-closed case, detectives found the player was not Vick.

The sheriff's office won't release the other player's name.

http://www.azfamily.com/news/local/stories/KTVKLNews20070726_sheriffs-probe.b38851b1.html


They probably don't want to ruin the integrity of their investigation which must be fairly shaky if that info already got out...
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 7:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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That's like saying that every pro-choice person supports this guy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Robert_Rudolph


I think you meant to say "pro-life". (Or anti-choice, or anti-abortion or whatever.)
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 7:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the other hand wrote:
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That's like saying that every pro-choice person supports this guy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Robert_Rudolph


I think you meant to say "pro-life". (Or anti-choice, or anti-abortion or whatever.)


Damn...I thought I had fixed that...Thanks for pointing it out...
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 7:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Frankly, I do not support any protests outside the court house. It is inappropriate. The trial should be conducted without prejudice. I can understand the passions. I do like dogs. African Americans love their dogs just as much as Caucasians, I am sure. However, too many African Americans get defensive when one of their own is accused as if people are going after Vick because he is an African American.

However, I didn't see Sharpton and Jessie Jackson bothering with Vick. No one appointed the animal rights activists as spokespersons for white people in Atlanta and the black people who showed up as spokespersons for black people. Anyway, like I said, people should protest in America, but it should be about things like no health care which is killing 18,000 people a year as compared to some dogs in a dog fight, major corruption by the Attorney General in Washington D.C., the huge drop out rate in many major cities etc... There are some far worse problems in the country and people are protesting over the dogs... Where are peoples' priorities? I am not callous and unfeeling when it comes to dogs and cats, but my priority is first with homosapiens...

As far as OJ Simpson, many African Americans defend people of such caliber, because there is a persecution complex in the community based on history and they are used to for decades having negative fingers pointed at them and now leveling constructive criticism by even members of the African community is a sensitive issue. I could be wrong.

Anyway, Vick should be tried by a judge not by hysterical protesters...
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 8:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Frankly, I do not support any protests outside the court house. It is inappropriate. The trial should be conducted without prejudice. I can understand the passions. I do like dogs. African Americans love their dogs just as much as Caucasians, I am sure. However, too many African Americans get defensive when one of their own is accused as if people are going after Vick because he is an African American.

However, I didn't see Sharpton and Jessie Jackson bothering with Vick. No one appointed the animal rights activists as spokespersons for white people in Atlanta and the black people who showed up as spokespersons for black people. Anyway, like I said, people should protest in America, but it should be about things like no health care which is killing 18,000 people a year as compared to some dogs in a dog fight, major corruption by the Attorney General in Washington D.C., the huge drop out rate in many major cities etc... There are some far worse problems in the country and people are protesting over the dogs... Where are peoples' priorities? I am not callous and unfeeling when it comes to dogs and cats, but my priority is first with homosapiens...

As far as OJ Simpson, many African Americans defend people of such caliber, because there is a persecution complex in the community based on history and they are used to for decades having negative fingers pointed at them and now leveling constructive criticism by even members of the African community is a sensitive issue. I could be wrong.

Anyway, Vick should be tried by a judge not by hysterical protesters...


Rolling Eyes I'm still waiting to hear how some people protesting outside a courthouse represent a whole racial group...Why does it even matter? It's not like these protesters will make any difference in the outcome one way or another regardless of their ethnicity....

When Paris Hilton got let out of prison to great fanfare, no one mentioned how large numbers of whites stood around welcoming their "hero" back. I wonder why? hmmmm Confused
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