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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| I would say coalition troops don't deserve to die for the foolish actions of missionaries who come to the country without permission of their governments. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 10:54 am Post subject: |
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They claim to have killed another hostage...
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KANDAHAR, Afghanistan - Taliban kidnappers shot dead a male South Korean hostage on Monday, a spokesman said.
"We shot dead a male captive because the government did not listen to our demands," spokesman Qari Mohammad Yousuf told Reuters by telephone. The militants have demanded that the Afghan government release some of its captured fighters.
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20036022/ |
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hiua25
Joined: 03 Feb 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 11:58 am Post subject: |
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Some of you guys may agree that these hostages don�t �deserve� to be killed but other people on this forum do and they have said so. And I find that appalling.
Other people are using this thread as yet another oppurtunity to run down Korea and Korean people. It sounds like they are harbouring very bitter feelings. If that is the case they would do much better talking about the problem with friends, or going to counselling rather than ranting and raving on an online discussion board. Surely it�s better to get beyond the problem and do something constructive with your time rather than post hatred on here.
Most of these posts are uninformed or make assumptions about the circumstances of the case. For example, I really must take issue with Junior when he or she talked about Christian evangelising being punishable by death under the law in Afghanistan. In case you forgot Afghanistan is ruled by a moderate government under President Karzai. It�s perfectly legal for Christian missionaries to work in Afghanistan!!!
Although the Taliban are against Christian evamgelism, they�re not in power anymore and have no authority to enforce any kind of law. The Taliban are rebel criminals in Afghanistan. |
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Tony_Balony
Joined: 12 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 1:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Another male hostage shot dead. |
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Tony_Balony
Joined: 12 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 2:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Its funny that the nerdy Christians can find the Taliban but our special forces can't. |
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FUBAR
Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: The Y.C.
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| Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 2:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Tony_Balony wrote: |
| Its funny that the nerdy Christians can find the Taliban but our special forces can't. |
You're a fucking idiot. They were ambushed. Same way other soldiers are in Afghanistan. Nothing funny about the situation. 2 people dead a likely a few more to go before they get released.... I don't agree with their mission. In fact I think they were lemmings being misled their by a selfish clergy, but they shouldn't have to die for their mistake. I do think the leader of the congregation should be jailed for his irresponsibility though. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Tony_Balony wrote: |
| Another male hostage shot dead. |
How many men do they have left before they start tossing out female bodies?
There were a lot of nice, well meaning people in that group. But I think they were poorly led, badly misinformed, and entered this full of wilful ignorance. I hope the surviving relatives sue the church that organized this children's crusade. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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| mindmetoo wrote: |
| Tony_Balony wrote: |
| Another male hostage shot dead. |
How many men do they have left before they start tossing out female bodies?
There were a lot of nice, well meaning people in that group. But I think they were poorly led, badly misinformed, and entered this full of wilful ignorance. I hope the surviving relatives sue the church that organized this children's crusade. |
We know that last year an Afghan convert to Catholicism was about to get killed and thousands of Afghans wanted his blood. That was in the news. I am sure that church must have heard of that, and if they didn't, then they didn't do their homework. Anyway, what homework do you need to do to know that Afghanistan is a Muslim country that is a warzone. Did they also think somehow that only soldiers get killed and not missionaries? Apparently so. Yet, we know that a Korean worker was killed in Iraq. He was, in fact, beheaded. So there can't be an excuse of a lack of stories of the various dangers out there. It appears that the church members who went there were pretty naive and so was the pastor who was the first one to be killed. I do feel for them and pray for their safe return, but if they are to be released it would require the release of Taliban who have killed American, British, and Canadian soldiers. Our soldiers have a mandate to be there, not missionaries. The soldiers are forced to be there even though they volunteered. No one forced the missionaries to go to a warzone with no protection. |
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CeleryMan
Joined: 12 Apr 2007
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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I hate to be such a Monday morning quarterback, but I keep wondering:
Why Afghanistan? Why not the tens of thousands of brothels or nightclubs in Korea? |
Conflict of interest, maybe? |
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MissSeoul
Joined: 25 Oct 2006
Location: Somewhere in America
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| Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
| I would say coalition troops don't deserve to die for the foolish actions of missionaries who come to the country without permission of their governments. |
I agree. |
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darkhorse_NZ
Joined: 20 Feb 2007
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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| MissSeoul wrote: |
| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
| I would say coalition troops don't deserve to die for the foolish actions of missionaries who come to the country without permission of their governments. |
I agree. |
I would say that coalition troops should attempt a rescue if they do not intend to go ahead with the prisoner swap.
It is the humane thing to do and it's what Special Forces are trained to do.
However, all further evangelist missionaries should be turned away at customs. Church elders and organisers of this trip should be charged with criminal negligence and the Church should have its assets seized and its buildings shut down.
The message is "no" it does not pay to play one upmanship with other churches. |
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TECO
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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How many men do they have left?
Many of them, judging from the photo we saw, appear to be young women.
Horrible - I cannot believe they actually went there. |
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jackooboy
Joined: 02 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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Wow, quite extreme. I don't have a problem with people expressing their thoughts anywhere in the world, be it communist China, the U.S.A. or Afghanistan. I don't get this line of thought that the Christians are the one's who should be punished. They did nothing wrong except express and act out their deeply held beliefs. Wow, what a horrible crime. Yes, some people actually do have profound beliefs that they are willing to die for. They also were bringing aid to Afghani citizens.
On the other hand, the Muslims ambushed these missionaries for preeching their world view (it shouldn't matter if you agree with it or not, it is a human right to have freedom of conscience and be able to act upon it as long as it is NOT HURTING ANYONE ELSE) and are now killing them. Lets think about who the aggressor is and what is acceptable behavior. Protylatizing may not be you're cup of tea, but it surely is not an evil thing or done with ill intentions for those propogating it. On the other hand, killing people who happen to have a different world view than your is evil and frankly disgusting.
This is the same thing that the Soviets, Nazis, and Communist Chinese did to millions of people because they dared to have an independent conscience.
It seems that many of the anti-religious people on this board are the first to say they have a right to free speech and that the religious people should not push their values on others, but it is also incredibly hypocritical of those same people to then chastize those missionaries who were expressing themselves in a foreign country and attacked and some of whom are now killed by a religious faction which has forced its sick standard of judgement upon those who don't subscribe to their world view.
Being able to seperate your own prejudice from the situation and fairly access the situation in the ideal is always a good place to start. Or atleast that is my first principle.
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MissSeoul
Joined: 25 Oct 2006
Location: Somewhere in America
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| Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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| darkhorse_NZ wrote: |
Church elders and organisers of this trip should be charged with criminal negligence and the Church should have its assets seized and its buildings shut down.
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I AGREE !! |
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TECO
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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Just found this info here: Korean Hostage Killed
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| The group, which was originally comprised of 18 women and five men, were travelling on a bus from Kabul to Kandahar on July 19 when the vehicle was boarded by militants and the Koreans were taken captive. |
There's no way the coalition forces are going to release Taliban prisoners.
Taliban's going to end up killing all of them. |
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