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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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Well now...OLD Mosley is back after a 2 week hiatus and finds that Big Bird is quite offended that I call her an apologist for Hezbollah...and then goes on to repeat her drivel about the "justification'' for the terror and murder that these thugs perpetrate. She uses pseudo-academic arguments to justify-nay, praise-an organization that deliberately targets Israeli woman & children as their victims. In other words, it doesn't matter if the dead Israeli is a child or a military combatant so long as their name is Levi or Cohen. Moreover, Hezbollah deliberately places its "own" in the line of fire(as it did in the summer of '06) in order to create "martyrs". And, she uses the tired & repellent leftist trick of equating Nazi Germany with Israel. Rather ironic, when one considers that it's quite easy to picture BB saying, c.1944: "Sure...the Nazis are gassing Jews but hey...don't you know how badly the Germans suffered under Versailles?"
Ironic how socialists, who purport to adhere to an ideology(whether based on Marxism-Leninism or its "kinder, gentler" variants like Fabianism,etc.) that supposedly relies on "scientific" or "rational" analysis, are actually captivated by a bizarre romanticization of violence. It's a visceral, emotional fantasy world of the most obscene & immoral kind, where images of the random slaughter of innocents excites the imagination of those who convince themselves that such violence is glorious so long as it's committed on behalf of the "oppressed", who are inevitably "Third World"--non-white, non-Christian, non-Jewish. You can forget about "workers" though...those vulgar and often conservative masses that socialists disdain. Of course, it's rather easy to engage in these sactimonious fantasies if you come from a Western, peaceful and bourgeois background.
OK. BB's reply on this thread is business as usual. Ho-hum. Ah, but dear Dave's posters, there's something special here. Yes, BB has chosen to attack me...wait for it...on the basis of my age!  Yes, the passionate humanitarian has chosen to insult me because I was born in a certain year! Well, dad burn it, I should go after that dadgummed whippersnapper! Yep, I would...but I can't find my walker & Geritol. Too bad I wasn't a cripple too...she could have a field day! Here's how personal insults actually work, SWEETIE: you go after a person for something they have CONTROL over. Example...if I were to suggest that a certain BIRD was too BIG due to girth brought on by an unwillingness to quit shoving food from a trough into one's gob...well, that would be a personal insult. But I don't do that ...I only attack posters on what they assert on the threads.
Nope. She wasn't done folks. She expressed a fantasy(in vulgar terms that I'll leave for the psychiatric professionals to evaluate) that I've been in a certain state of sexual excitement(a credit to the elderly, then?) while responding to her vile nonsense. I've noticed that she's done this to at least one other poster. Again, psychiatry comes to mind. I can only assure BB that when the day comes I equate "revulsion" or "disgust" with "sexual desire" well, then ...she might a have a point.
Ah, the last thing. Assuming that those "other posters" aren't figments of BB's addled imagination, all I can say is this: the next time you get PMs from these gutless wonders, tell 'em to take on ole Mosley in open at the forums. Hell, you mean even w/internet anonymity these cowards are too gutless to take on an old geezer like myself?!
Cowards indeed...just like Hezbollah....
BS: Does BB work in Korea? I'd love to hear her say something to her Korean colleagues about the oppressed Taliban and their hostage strategy! |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 12:17 am Post subject: |
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Hezbollah: Rockets can hit all Israel
Leader says 2006 war did not dent group's military capabilities
The Associated Press
Updated: 3:25 a.m. ET July 24, 2007
BEIRUT, Lebanon - Hezbollah leader Sheik Hassan Nasrallah said Monday his group possesses an arsenal of rockets that can reach all of Israel, including Tel Aviv.
�We could absolutely reach any corner and any point in occupied Palestine,� Nasrallah said in an interview aired by Arab broadcaster Al-Jazeera and Hezbollah�s Al-Manar television.
Celebratory gunshots and fireworks erupted in Beirut�s southern suburbs for several minutes as the interview began and after it ended.
Nasrallah said last year�s war between Israel and Hezbollah did not succeed in diminishing his group�s military capabilities. Repeating earlier claims, the Hezbollah leader said his group could already have fired at Tel Aviv last summer during the conflict, but had avoided doing so.
�In July and August 2006, there wasn�t a place in occupied Palestine that the rockets of the resistance could not reach, be it Tel Aviv or other cities,� he said, describing Israel and the Hezbollah guerrillas in terms usually used by the group.
�We could absolutely do that now,� he added.
Israel military disagrees
In Israel, senior military officials said that Hezbollah is not capable of striking all parts of Israel, but its missiles can reach the northern Tel Aviv area, which is about 60 miles south of the border with Lebanon.
Although Hezbollah has succeeded in restoring much of its arsenal since the end of the war last year, it does not have the same military might that it had at the start of the fighting, the officials said on condition of anonymity since they were not authorized to talk to the media.
Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Mark Regev said Hezbollah�s rearmament �is a direct and grave violation of U.N. Security Council resolution 1701,� which ended last year�s war.
�The international community must hold accountable those governments, namely Syria and Iran, who by supplying weapons to Hezbollah are deliberately trying to undermine the United Nations, the Lebanese government and peace and stability in the region,� he said.
Nasrallah has previously said his group increased its stock of missiles since the war ended, despite attempts to keep arms from being smuggled into southern Lebanon.
Claims have more rockets
In a speech in October, he said the guerrillas had 33,000 rockets � up from the 22,000 he said they had on Sept. 22.
Hezbollah fired nearly 4,000 rockets at northern Israel during the 34-day conflict, including several medium-range missiles that for the first time hit Israel�s third-largest city, Haifa.
Nasrallah also insisted Monday that Israel had failed to hit any important Hezbollah cache during the war.
Nasrallah warned during the war that he had weapons that could reach Tel Aviv. Although the city was never targeted, Hezbollah�s targets struck deeper inside Israel than ever before, hitting on at least one occasion the town of Hadera, 30 miles north of Tel Aviv.
The war began on July 12, 2006, after Hezbollah fighters crossed into Israel, killing three soldiers and seizing two. Israel then invaded southern Lebanon and pounded the country with massive bombardments that destroyed most roads, bridges and other infrastructure.
More than 1,000 Lebanese �mostly civilians� were killed in the fighting, while 158 Israelis died, including 119 soldiers.
Nasrallah refused to say Monday whether the two Israeli soldiers were alive or dead.
Nasrallah, who remains in hiding since last year for fear of an Israeli assassination, also denied media reports that he lived in Syria or in the Iranian embassy in Beirut during the war.
� 2007 The Associated Press.
URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19923841/
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postfundie
Joined: 28 May 2004
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 12:26 am Post subject: |
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| They do not want to-yet they know it will happen. Every time. All the time. No matter what the demographics are. So what's the difference? The ends are the same no matter the means. Obviously, the political aims and results desired by those that use terror are morally repugnant--the ideas that drive them are much more dangerous and should be eradicated. But the results of terror tactics and conventional tactics are often very much the same, intent be damned. |
uhh it makes a big difference because Israel is trying not kill innocent civillians and often they do have a success....now then I gues that's the same as a guy who kills as many jews eating dinner as he can.....there's the difference |
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Mosley
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 5:14 am Post subject: |
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Big ole bird: Amazing, isn't it, how you can defend an organization that promotes anti-Semitism(and I have to assume that you've visited Hezbollah website pronouncements, etc.) on a scale that would've done Julius Streicher proud(and I can only hope that the Hezbollah leadership will soon meet the same fate as the Gauleiter of Franconia did in '46) and then take ME to task for accusing you of leaning towards anti-Semitism??!! Guilt by association DOES apply and if you and your phantom "friends" who send you PMs  want to go to the mods for that...well, good luck. And good whining. Seriously, Lisa, leave Principal Skinner out of this and feebly try to defend youself...by yourself.
As for "fantasizing about what you fantasize about", I take back nothing. I've seen this movie before. The leftist romanticization of violence: I might suggest you take a gander at Paul Johnson's INTELLECTUALS(1988). Perhaps you aspire to be the Lillian Hellman of the CE Forum and I'd suggest you can only arrive there halfway; to wit, you have all of her amoral repugnancy with none of her talent.
I take back the Lisa Simpson crack. You have nothing on that ten year- old schoolgirl cartoon character. |
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contrarian
Joined: 20 Jan 2007
Location: Nearly in NK
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| Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 6:52 am Post subject: |
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Mosely; some things just need saying. You said it fairly well.
BigBird:
Defending the indefensible is a bad track to take. Hezbollah has always taken the position that they intend the extermination of the Jews.
Well in case you hadn't noticed the Jews don't go quietly into the night any longer. Perhaps you next vacation should take you to Auschwitz. The ambiance of pure evil is quite striking. On my visit I sat on a bench and quelled feelings of absolute rage.
Never again!!! |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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Big ole bird: Amazing, isn't it, how you can defend an organization that promotes anti-Semitism(and I have to assume that you've visited Hezbollah website pronouncements, etc.) on a scale that would've done Julius Streicher proud(and I can only hope that the Hezbollah leadership will soon meet the same fate as the Gauleiter of Franconia did in '46) and then take ME to task for accusing you of leaning towards anti-Semitism??!! Guilt by association DOES apply and if you and your phantom "friends" who send you PMs want to go to the mods for that...well, good luck. And good whining. Seriously, Lisa, leave Principal Skinner out of this and feebly try to defend youself...by yourself.
As for "fantasizing about what you fantasize about", I take back nothing. I've seen this movie before. The leftist romanticization of violence: I might suggest you take a gander at Paul Johnson's INTELLECTUALS(1988). Perhaps you aspire to be the Lillian Hellman of the CE Forum and I'd suggest you can only arrive there halfway; to wit, you have all of her amoral repugnancy with none of her talent.
I take back the Lisa Simpson crack. You have nothing on that ten year- old schoolgirl cartoon character. |
Sorry Mosley, but you are a racist who is pretending to himself that I am the racist. Face up to it. |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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Mosely; some things just need saying. You said it fairly well.
BigBird:
Defending the indefensible is a bad track to take. Hezbollah has always taken the position that they intend the extermination of the Jews.
Well in case you hadn't noticed the Jews don't go quietly into the night any longer. Perhaps you next vacation should take you to Auschwitz. The ambiance of pure evil is quite striking. On my visit I sat on a bench and quelled feelings of absolute rage.
Never again!!! |
Sadly, you mean "never again for your people" be they jewish or mormon. You don't mean "never again for the whole of the human race" and that's the sad part. Your rage is just for you. How much better if it were for all. |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 10:25 pm Post subject: Re: The Hezbollah Homophobic Dichotomy Thread |
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This thread is to discuss those who support Hezbollah
(Iranian backed terror organization that promotes the ideals of the Sharia)
while condemning homophobia.
I am looking for some serious heartfelt responses.
Sharia Law:
"Homosexuality, moreover, is considered a grave sin. In Hadith, Muhammad clarifies the gravity of this by saying: "Allah curses the one who does the actions (homosexual practices) of the people of Lut," repeating it three times; saying in another Hadith: "If a man comes upon a man then they are both adulterers." Here, he considered homosexuality tantamount to adultery in relation to the Shari�ah punishments because it is an abomination on the one hand, and the definition of adultery applies to it on the other hand.....As for lesbians, Muhammad said about them: "If a woman comes upon a woman, they are both adulteresses." The homosexual receives the same punishment as an adulterer. This means, that if the homosexual is married, he/she is stoned to death, while if single, he/she is whipped 100 times.
International controversy came about when two gay teenagers were publicly executed (following lashings in prison) in Iran, 19 July 2005, for homosexual relations. The youths were hanged in Edalat Square in the city of Mashhad, in north east Iran. The youths were believed to have been 16 years old at the time they had had relations. Under the Iranian penal code, girls as young as nine and boys as young as 15 can be hanged. Three other boys have gone into hiding due to the incident. Gay men have been publicly executed in Saudi Arabia, where beheading is the primary method, and in Taliban Afghanistan, where men were crushed with large boulders. It's debated how many gay men have been executed in Saudi Arabia, with some estimates placing the number of executions in the thousands in the last 15 years, while other estimates are much smaller. Critics have noted that, in countries where it is punishable by death to be homosexual, men are accused of homosexuality for political reasons. This accusation has been made regarding Nigeria. It has also been suggested that there is dissonance between the capital illegality of homosexuality in many Muslim nations and the frequency of homosexual sex and desire for it, and that arrests and executions are done primarily for political reasons. The Iranian teens argued that they didn't deserve to die because, being culturally denied interactions with women, homosexual sex was common among the boys they know and they didn't know it was illegal.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia#Illegal_sexual_relations |
Back to your question cbc. I'll see if I can answer it once and for all with this analogy. Imagine there is a poor family in your neighbourhood. They drive a bloody awful car. It's an eyesore and it's also an offense to the ears and the nose. It's rusted, the paint is scratched and peeling, and it's bloody noisy and lets off a dreadful cloud of pollution whenever it's driven. You really wish that the family would get around to trading in the noisy old rust bucket in for something cleaner and quieter. You're not a fan of their car, but you have sympathy for the family, who are just doing the best they can, and need their car to function as best they can in society. You can empathise with the family, even if you detest the vehicle. That's about the best way I can think of to answer your question. I don't particularly like the politcal vehicle of the Lebanese Shia, and I hope they evolve politcally and move on. But in the meantime, I sympathise that they're riding in the best vehicle they could find at the time. The only one that helped them get rid of the occupation, and the one they're still clinging to for the moment. It either needs trading in, or at least refitting and modifying.
Bombing the crap out of Lebanese Shia has done nothing to help them trade in or improve this vehicle, and if anything, has meant they will cling to it for longer. |
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contrarian
Joined: 20 Jan 2007
Location: Nearly in NK
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| Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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bigbird:
You still refuse to accept the idea that exterminating the Jews is wrong? Why? Are they just too inconvenient? Are you like many Europeans and disappointed that Hitler missed some Jews.
This extermination is is what both Hamas and Hezbollah advocate. Is Arab humiliation more important than Jewish lives?
My rage was directed at the industrialized, nearly automated extermination of 6 million Jews - about half of all the Jews in the world. |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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bigbird:
You still refuse to accept the idea that exterminating the Jews is wrong? Why? Are they just too inconvenient? Are you like many Europeans and disappointed that Hitler missed some Jews.
This extermination is is what both Hamas and Hezbollah advocate. Is Arab humiliation more important than Jewish lives?
My rage was directed at the industrialized, nearly automated extermination of 6 million Jews - about half of all the Jews in the world. |
Now you are really talking UTTER BOLLOCKS! When did I ever say that exterminating Jews is not wrong? What happened in Nazi Germany was absolutely horrific. One of the singularly most horrible events in human history, in it's premediatedness and sheer scale. I wish we HAD LEARNT THE LESSON of never doing any such thing again. But as humans, we continue on our ugly way - think Rwanda and Yugoslavia etc.
My point is that you don't consider Arab life to be equal to Jewish life, which I find abhorrant. And killing and occupying Arabs in the West Bank and Lebanon is not doing anything to preserve jewish life. Probably quite the converse in fact.
It is quite sad that you can only see things in terms of hate. You feel I have merely exchanged your hatred of Arabs for a hatred of Jews. Why do I have to hate anyone? I'll leave the hatred to you and your ilk. |
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contrarian
Joined: 20 Jan 2007
Location: Nearly in NK
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| Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 11:53 pm Post subject: |
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I have no problem with the Palestinians getting a nation in Gaza and most of the West Bank. As a Jew or even a human being I would not tolerate a government in the Palestinian state whose avowed goal was "killing the Jews" or driving them into the sea.
A Palestinian / Jewish state is a total non starter.
I am also convinced that the only way the Palestinians will settle down and stop trying to undo their past bad conduct, and it has been bad, is to have some price for that. The 10 to 15% of the West Bank the will lose is that price - pride be damned!
Restitution perhaps for those Palestinians who were alive in 1949/49 on the strict wording of the UN Resolution. No right of return, it is simply too late. If their Arab brethren, wherever it may be want to give them other refuge then so be it. |
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Mosley
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 5:30 am Post subject: Bird Brain(s).... |
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Maybe the Bird isn't vile. Nor merely stupid. Just nuts. Bonkers. Certifiable. Loony. Nah, ain't buyin' that : she's a vile hypocrite.
It's been astutely observed that leftists resort, when they have no argument(s) left, to tossing out "racist" or "fascist" as epithets. The jig is up on that one. Even some leftists wince at that "strategy".
You see, dear Dave's posters, the ostrich uses vile, baseless & desperate libel against me. W/her "logic" I'm a racist because a) I support the State of Israel b) I detest terrorism & c) I detest anti-Semitism.
Yep. Can't get much more "racist" than that. Bird Brain doesn't get it that I deplore Arabs/Palestinians being killed but rather I applaud Hezbollah members & their ACTIVE & VOLUNTARY supporters also being killed.
The Bird Brain claims that she's appalled by the crime of the Holocaust. Strange, then, that she defends Hezbollah. Hezbollah does NOT advocate an independent Palestinian state co-existing peacefully alongside Israel. Rather, it calls for the "elimination of Israel as a state." Rather like Hamas. Hezbollah radio broadcasts are banned throughout W. Europe due to Holocaust denial being a crime. Hassan Nasrallah has lamented that all the world's Jews aren't in Israel because Hezbollah has to go around the world looking for them. The same Hassan has talked about Jews in terms that would've done "Der Sturmer" proud. But none of this, apparently, has struck Bird Brain as "anti-Semitic."
Some of OLD Mosley's list of political scumbags of history(and present times): Nazis, Bolsheviks, Maoists, the Khmer Rouge, Mugabe & his followers, Hezbollah, Hamas, Ba'athists. A short list, to be sure. But a diverse one. What's the common string bird brain? Yep, totalitarianism mixed w/murder/violence. But "race"??!! Nada. Only a cowardly hypocrite could see an accusation of "racism" in there.
I've spent many years in E.Asia. And 6 months in an Arabic, Islamic country (6 more mos. than you have, I'll wager). You defend Hezbollah. And you, Bird Brain, have the church bells to call me "racist"? |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 6:19 am Post subject: |
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| Oh do grow up you silly old bugger. At your age you ought to know a lot better. I'm not interested in discussing anything more with you. I've replied to cbc's question and I've said all that needs to be said. Good night. |
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coler651
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| Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 6:53 am Post subject: Sharia Law |
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| Sharia or Islamic Law is wonderful if you want to live in the 9th century. |
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