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Why do people in Asia have short legs?
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pest2



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 6:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ChimpumCallao wrote:
paquebot wrote:
Allen's Rule (for limb-length):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen%27s_rule

Bergmann's Rule (for torso length):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bergmann%27s_Rule

Finally (and this is very much a stretch with human populations), there's Insular Dwarfism:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insular_dwarfism


Wow- very interesting, fellow nerd.

I never got that either, the long, perfect torsos and short squat legs, as Korea is not THAT cold. But then I remembered they came from Mongolia, which is freezing...so it makes sense to have shorter limbs....

In Peru, a lot of the indians that have lived for ages up in the mountans have very broad torsos and backs (like Bender, the robot), as they tend to have larger lungs in order to deal with the high elevation.


Is Bender like some kind of thing everyone should know? Man, im gettin old.
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newton kabiddles



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 7:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even today, in modern Korea 2007, it's not unusual for the average Korean to work 18 hours a day.
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paquebot



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 9:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ChimpumCallao wrote:
Wow- very interesting, fellow nerd.

It's nice to know there are other nerds on the forums here.

I never got that either, the long, perfect torsos and short squat legs, as Korea is not THAT cold. But then I remembered they came from Mongolia, which is freezing...so it makes sense to have shorter limbs....

In Peru, a lot of the indians that have lived for ages up in the mountans have very broad torsos and backs (like Bender, the robot), as they tend to have larger lungs in order to deal with the high elevation.


Going over Allen's Rule, Bergmann's Rule, and Gloger's Rule is required for anthropology students at my university, so I received a healthy dose of all three concepts. A part of Korean's physique may come from having ancestors who lived on the steppes of Mongolia or Siberia and, given the mountainous conditions in the Korean peninsula, part may also have been from an adaptation to the local terrain. I'm not familiar with the mitochondrial evidence so this is all guessing on my part though. Embarassed

I've often seen indigenous groups from Peru / the Andes used as an example of Bergmann's Rule (being barrel-chested), as well as to describe the difference between acclimatizing and adaptating to a new environment.
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paquebot



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 9:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

pest2 wrote:
Is Bender like some kind of thing everyone should know? Man, im gettin old.


He's a character from the television series Futurama.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bender
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ChimpumCallao



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

paquebot wrote:
ChimpumCallao wrote:
Wow- very interesting, fellow nerd.

It's nice to know there are other nerds on the forums here.

I never got that either, the long, perfect torsos and short squat legs, as Korea is not THAT cold. But then I remembered they came from Mongolia, which is freezing...so it makes sense to have shorter limbs....

In Peru, a lot of the indians that have lived for ages up in the mountans have very broad torsos and backs (like Bender, the robot), as they tend to have larger lungs in order to deal with the high elevation.


Going over Allen's Rule, Bergmann's Rule, and Gloger's Rule is required for anthropology students at my university, so I received a healthy dose of all three concepts. A part of Korean's physique may come from having ancestors who lived on the steppes of Mongolia or Siberia and, given the mountainous conditions in the Korean peninsula, part may also have been from an adaptation to the local terrain. I'm not familiar with the mitochondrial evidence so this is all guessing on my part though. :oops:

I've often seen indigenous groups from Peru / the Andes used as an example of Bergmann's Rule (being barrel-chested), as well as to describe the difference between acclimatizing and adaptating to a new environment.


You studied anthro too? I took classes with Donald Johansen (HOLLAH!) which led to my studies being more centered on primate development, austrolopithecines...etc.

I'm quite curious as to how the barrel chested adaptation fared out for females, as it really f's up the waist/hip ratio, which is the #1 universal trait that men find desirable in a female. As in, how beneficial can it be for females to develop big barrel chests and non-countoured bodies if it means they are exponentially less desirable. I'm a bit surprised a good hip to waist ratio didnt trump the benefits of barrel chestedness. Or could it be that barrel chested men over time, developed a desire for barrel chested females, as they would be the fitter ones for that environment, live longer, and be around more to beat and care for kids? Has there ever been an experiment with Andean/Mogolian men as to what body shape they prefer? Cause if it is the generally desirable one, how in the world was the barrel chested gene propagated? hmmm......
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