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O, Canada! More Americans Heading North
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Yaya



Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 3:22 am    Post subject: O, Canada! More Americans Heading North Reply with quote

The Number of Americans Moving to Canada in 2006 Hit a 30-Year High
By MARCUS BARAM
July 31, 2007 �

Blame Canada!

It may seem like a quiet country where not much happens besides ice hockey, curling and beer drinking. But our neighbor to the north is proving to be quite the draw for thousands of disgruntled Americans.

The number of U.S. citizens who moved to Canada last year hit a 30-year high, with a 20 percent increase over the previous year and almost double the number who moved in 2000.

In 2006, 10,942 Americans went to Canada, compared with 9,262 in 2005 and 5,828 in 2000, according to a survey by the Association for Canadian Studies.

Of course, those numbers are still outweighed by the number of Canadians going the other way. Yet, that imbalance is shrinking. Last year, 23,913 Canadians moved to the United States, a significant decrease from 29,930 in 2005.

"There has been a definite increase in the past five years, the number hasn't exceeded 10,000 since 1977," says Jack Jedwab, the association's executive director. "During the mid-70s, Canada admitted between 22,000 and 26,000 Americans a year, most of whom were draft dodgers from the Vietnam War."

The current increase appears to be fueled largely by social and political reasons, says Jedwab, based on anecdotal evidence.

"Those who are coming have the highest level of education - these aren't people who can't get a job in the States," he says. "They're coming because many of them don't like the politics, the Iraq War and the security situation in the U.S. By comparison, Canada is a tension-free place. People feel safer."

One recent immigrant is Tom Kertes, a 34-year-old labor organizer who moved from Seattle to Toronto in April.

Kertes attributes his motivation to President Bush's opposition to gay marriage, and the tactics employed during the war on terror since 9/11.

"I wanted a country that respected my human rights and the rights of others," he says. "We joked about it after Bush won re-election, but it took us a while to go through the application."

Kertes, who moved with his partner, is happy in his new home. "Canada is a really nice country. My mother is thinking about it. My stepfather has diabetes and has health issues. So, he'd be taken care of for free if he moved up here."

Not that Kertes doesn't get homesick every once in a while. "I have no intention of giving up my citizenship. I have an American flag at home on the wall - I didn't have that in Seattle. All of a sudden, I'm a nationalist. On the Fourth of July, I really missed being home."

Jo Davenport, who wrote "The Canadian Way," moved from Atlanta to Nova Scotia in December 2001. She also cites political reasons for her move, saying that she disagreed with the Bush administration's decisions after 9/11.

"Things are totally different here because they care about their people here," she says, explaining that she's only been back home once or twice.

http://www.abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=3433005&page=1
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RACETRAITOR



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 6:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

God damn, we're gonna need a bigger fence.
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Adventurer



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 10:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Educated Americans coming to Canadawould probably be more than welcome. They would be similar to most Canadians and would speak the language and integrate easily. Canada still has a brain drain deficit vis-a-vis the U.S. though that has shrunk considerably, it appears. Every country should welcome educated people wanting to immigrate.
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Tony_Balony



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 10:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How do these people legally live there? Do they work? What do they do?
Canada has too much brains, I heard they need welders and the like. I've read here that if I could weld, I'd make $100,000 in Canada and I'd drive a BMW but when I look for a job, I don't see much.
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Don Gately



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 10:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I seriously considered moving to Canada or New Zealand after the '04 elections, but what are you gonna do? The US is a wasteland but it's my wasteland.
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Ya-ta Boy



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Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
"Those who are coming have the highest level of education


Thus raising the educational level of both countries.
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Gopher



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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...quite the draw for thousands of disgruntled Americans.


Sounds like a perfect one-line description of Canada.

Quote:
...a 30-year high...In 2006, 10,942 Americans went to Canada, compared with 9,262 in 2005 and 5,828 in 2000.


Just pouring out the country, huh?
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LuckyNomad



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

10,942 hardcore liberals have left the country! That's wonderful news. If only the rest of them would leave faster.
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ajgeddes



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LuckyNomad wrote:
10,942 hardcore liberals have left the country! That's wonderful news. If only the rest of them would leave faster.


Please, give us your liberals and take our right-wing loonies.
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contrarian



Joined: 20 Jan 2007
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am a dedicated Canadian neocon. When I leave Korea I'm going back to Canada to harrass my fellow Canadians.

Twisted Evil
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twg



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LuckyNomad wrote:
10,942 hardcore liberals have left the country! That's wonderful news. If only the rest of them would leave faster.

Nothing standing between you all and the new order now.
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Tiger Beer



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just curious...I know of many Canadians who go to the U.S. and work in many places. Was it easy for them to do?

Is it recipricol for Americans to do? Do they need identity cards that they are paying taxes connected to legal work visas, etc.?
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ajgeddes



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A lot of Canadians go to school in the States. For example, my best friend couldn't get into any universities in Canada, so he went south. Now, he is 3 years into law school.

Another problem for going the other way is that, in Canada only degrees from good schools are recognized. My sister was offered two full scholarships for golf in the states, but she was told that after she graduated, her degrees would mean nothing in Canada because they weren't from top schools. So, she went to school in Canada.
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Qinella



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And people talk about expats fleeing to Asia being weirdos.. I just can't even imagine what kind of broken spirit would move from Paradise to an igloo. There must be absolutely nothing left in their lives to make that kind of call.
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ajgeddes



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 7:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Qinella wrote:
And people talk about expats fleeing to Asia being weirdos.. I just can't even imagine what kind of broken spirit would move from Paradise to an igloo. There must be absolutely nothing left in their lives to make that kind of call.


Isn't that what you did moving from Florida to Korea? Laughing
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