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mindmetoo
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 Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 6:08 am Post subject: Meanwhile South Korean to be executed in North Korea |
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http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200707/200707190014.html
So while South Korea is all upset some of its own are about to be plugged by the Taliban and it's America's job to solve this, a NK defector to the South who returned to the North to preach is now on death row.
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| Released from the prison, Son defected to the South again in 2004. He returned to Pyongyang last year in another attempt to spread his faith, but was arrested. North Korea sentenced him to death, calling him a "national traitor" for adopting the "unpatriotic ideology" of Christianity in a foreign country and propagating it to North Koreans. |
Boy, I'm glad South Korea is working so hard for his release... sending high level South Korean diplomats to North Korea 'n' all. Oh wait. It's one thing if Arabs do it to Koreans. It's another thing if brother Koreans are about to put a bullet in the back of the head of a Korean... |
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butlerian
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| Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 6:13 am Post subject: |
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| The situation is completely different. The "arabs" are an illegal organisation, with no governmental approval. The NK defector has broken the rules of his native country, and will therefore be subject to the laws of that country. The situation is completely different. |
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Typhoon
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| Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 6:35 am Post subject: |
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Defector=no longer a national of a country???
If he defected from the North then he would not be subject to the rules of the North. Isn't it pretty close the Arab hostages? |
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butlerian
Joined: 04 Sep 2006
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| Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 6:36 am Post subject: |
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| Typhoon wrote: |
Defector=no longer a national of a country???
If he defected from the North then he would not be subject to the rules of the North. Isn't it pretty close the Arab hostages? |
Not necessarily. Is there a law in North Korea that permits defection? I doubt it. As a consequence, he will still be treated as a North Korean citizen. |
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Alyallen
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Location: The 4th Greatest Place on Earth = Jeonju!!!
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| Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 6:42 am Post subject: |
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| butlerian wrote: |
| Typhoon wrote: |
Defector=no longer a national of a country???
If he defected from the North then he would not be subject to the rules of the North. Isn't it pretty close the Arab hostages? |
Not necessarily. Is there a law in North Korea that permits defection? I doubt it. As a consequence, he will still be treated as a North Korean citizen. |
Even so, if he defected, isn't he a resident of South Korea? The implication being that he is protected by at least SOME of their laws? I mean, they let laws about smoking pot travel international borders, so why not the ability to practice your faith? Or is this another examples of South Korea picking and choosing what they want to enforce? |
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jaganath69
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| Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 6:46 am Post subject: |
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| butlerian wrote: |
| The situation is completely different. The "arabs" are an illegal organisation, with no governmental approval. The NK defector has broken the rules of his native country, and will therefore be subject to the laws of that country. The situation is completely different. |
Last time I checked the Taliban were Pashtuns, not Arabs. |
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butlerian
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| Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 6:50 am Post subject: |
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| Alyallen wrote: |
| Or is this another examples of South Korea picking and choosing what they want to enforce? |
When dealing with another nation, it is not unusual for countries to choose what they want to enforce. They have to look at the wider issues and decide what approach will benefit their country the most. |
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butlerian
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| Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 6:51 am Post subject: |
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| jaganath69 wrote: |
| butlerian wrote: |
| The situation is completely different. The "arabs" are an illegal organisation, with no governmental approval. The NK defector has broken the rules of his native country, and will therefore be subject to the laws of that country. The situation is completely different. |
Last time I checked the Taliban were Pashtuns, not Arabs. |
Good job - notice I used speech marks, as it was the OP who called them "arabs". |
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in_seoul_2003
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| Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 7:29 am Post subject: |
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| butlerian wrote: |
| Typhoon wrote: |
Defector=no longer a national of a country???
If he defected from the North then he would not be subject to the rules of the North. Isn't it pretty close the Arab hostages? |
Not necessarily. Is there a law in North Korea that permits defection? I doubt it. As a consequence, he will still be treated as a North Korean citizen. |
So, you are going by NK's laws. Well, in that case, if there was a law in Afghanistan aganst christian missionaries, would the Taleban be in the wrong?
Alternativly, you could say that the situation in Afghanistan is pretty cotroversial. I mean, who exactly is in power? who's ruling? what's the law? Technically the Taleban is and isn't in power. If they are not legal they are certainly not illegal either
If SK considers the North an illegal entity (which they do to a crtain extent) then wouldn't that make the NK government's actions illegal? |
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Passions
Joined: 31 May 2006
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I wonder how long it takes before SK begins blaming America now.
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Cheonmunka
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| Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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I don't agree with Butlerian. I think it is a case of selecting not to get involved in this affair due to not rocking the boat with Koreas wonderful cousins up north in the true Korean Paradise.
I personally think Kim Jong Il should be taken out. Preferably before he becomes immune due to all the love he gets from Koreans here. |
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Hater Depot
Joined: 29 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 2:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Legally speaking all North Koreans are citizens of South Korea. It says so in the ROK constitution. |
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Cheonmunka
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| Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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There you have it: an enemy of Pyongyang is an enemy of the ROK.
What's the world coming to? |
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Gwangjuboy
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| Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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| butlerian wrote: |
| The situation is completely different. The "arabs" are an illegal organisation, with no governmental approval. The NK defector has broken the rules of his native country, and will therefore be subject to the laws of that country. The situation is completely different. |
North Koreans are considered South Korean citizens according to the constitution. |
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PBEnglish
Joined: 24 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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Actually, your argument is flawed anyways. ALL citizens of North Korea AND South Korea are protected under the South Korean constitution. Seoul should be doing something to get this man free from the North. If they do that, and what will it be? Well, that's the question isn't it?
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| The situation is completely different. The "arabs" are an illegal organisation, with no governmental approval. The NK defector has broken the rules of his native country, and will therefore be subject to the laws of that country. The situation is completely different. |
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