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dmbfan
Joined: 09 Mar 2006
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WHERE DID THE WMD GO?
By Michelle Malkin � January 26, 2006 01:10 PM Ira Stoll at the New York Sun has the story of the day that the rest of the MSM won�t be covering. Intro:
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The man who served as the no. 2 official in Saddam Hussein�s air force says Iraq moved weapons of mass destruction into Syria before the war by loading the weapons into civilian aircraft in which the passenger seats were removed.
The Iraqi general, Georges Sada, makes the charges in a new book, �Saddam�s Secrets,� released this week. He detailed the transfers in an interview yesterday with The New York Sun.
�There are weapons of mass destruction gone out from Iraq to Syria, and they must be found and returned to safe hands,� Mr. Sada said. �I am confident they were taken over.�
Mr. Sada�s comments come just more than a month after Israel�s top general during Operation Iraqi Freedom, Moshe Yaalon, told the Sun that Saddam �transferred the chemical agents from Iraq to Syria.� |
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dmbfan
Joined: 09 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 9:56 am Post subject: |
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Did Saddam�s WMD Go to Syria? Part I
Posted by Scott Malensek on June 18, 2007 at 2:25 PM
Have you ever noticed that it�s always politicians, media types, and either washed up or disgruntled, anonymous intelligence sources who claim there never was any WMD in Iraq? On the other hand, every single commander and deputy commander of CENTCOM says that Saddam did have WMD. So too do the inspectors with the closest knowledge of before and after inspections: Dr Butler, Dr Kay, Dr Duelfer, and most of the former UN inspectors. Is this subject one where the word of a former governor of Vermont is better than that of highly decorated generals and weapons inspectors who have served their country all over the world for decades? While Gov. Dean�s hands were sticky with maple syrup, people like General Zinni, General DeLong, General Franks, and so many others had their hands covered in the sands of the Middle East. While Rep. Pelosi works to blame President Bush for things as random and controllable as the weather, people like Dr. Kay and Dr. Duelfer were in 130 degree desert heat wearing plastic suits in toxic environments and being shot at. Perhaps it�s wiser to believe the professionals who serve with honor and for whom lying is a disgrace rather than a politician for whom pandering to constituents and the party base isn�t lying. It�s �spin.�
If one is to raise an eyebrow and for a moment believe the Generals, then the obvious question is, �What happened to Saddam�s WMD?� The former dictator declared them, and declared them destroyed but offered no evidence of their destruction; no wreckage, no contaminated sand, no documents, and not even witnesses. One must wonder how the most poisonous chemicals and biological agents ever made by man just disappear without leaving a trace, without anyone logging their destruction, and without anyone having done the destruction themselves. Moreover, if the WMD once did exist (as Saddam, the UN, and the Clinton and Bush Administrations as well as the world all acknowledge)�.then where are they?
There are basically three claims as to what happened to Saddam�s WMD: they were flown to Syria, they were driven to Syria, and they were shipped out on Russian ships.
One of Saddam�s generals, General Georges Sada, has come forward with claims that Saddam moved his �special weapons� out of Iraq, to Syria in late summer 2002. He allegedly did this under the guise of humanitarian aid flights to Syria after there was a dam burst in July, and the shipments were made on modified civilian planes, by pilots Sada knows personally. On June 17, 2002, the Times of London reported that Iraqi nuclear centrifuge parts were being smuggled out of Syria-originally stored at the port of Tartus, they had been moved to Damascus International Airport and moved to points unknown from there-effectively corroborating Sada�s story. The Time�s report even cites the Dam break as a cover story, and that cover story is part of Georges Sada�s claims as well. In late summer 2002, we know from the Saddam tapes, from multiple mainstream media interviews with former Iraqi generals, and from the ISG reports that Saddam stunned his general staff by announcing to them that he was letting the UN inspectors back in because there were no longer any �special weapons� in the country.
Other shipments went by truck and storage payment was made to Syria through an arms smuggling front company run by Syrian Intelligence: SES International. That it did exist, was A Syrian Intel front company and was corrupt is not at all in dispute. SES Intl was one of those blatant Oil-For-Food cover companies used by Saddam to buy conventional weapons in exchange for UN oil vouchers. The Duelfer Report is ridden with information about SES International�s illegal sales-sales that Saddam was using to break his conventional arms containment. SES was cited by the Treasury Department as being a front for Syrian Intelligence, a sanction-breaking company, and was being used by Syria�s family to launder money. Assad�s family has also been caught by the UN using the collapsed bank of Al Madina as a similar front company involved in the assassination of Lebanon�s former Prime Minister.
Why believe General Sada? As a pilot himself and an investigator respected by Saddam himself, Sada was the general in charge of interrogating and guarding downed Coalition pilots during Desert Storm. Retired USAF Col. David Eberly (the ranking Coalition POW pilot) writes the introduction to Sada�s book and vouches for his credibility. Two British airmen vouched for his credibility in a book they co-wrote about their experience as POW�s at his hands. In fact, Sada dared to argue with Saddam�s insane son, Uday-who wanted the pilots executed, and Sada was jailed as a result. Opponents to the war should respect his opinion as he was given multiple awards for his peaceful efforts to prevent a war by anti-war groups prior to the invasion. Ali Ibrahim, another of Saddam's former commanders, affirms Sada's story. (�Ali Ibrahim al-Tikriti was a southern regional commander for Saddam Hussein�s Fedayeen militia in the late 1980s and a personal friend of the dictator. Units under his command dealt with chemical and biological weapons�). Perhaps most importantly, the details of his story-as well as all the stories in his book-are well-corroborated by mainstream media reports. Few details are not-except the contents of the planes and trucks that went to Syria. Sada says he knows what was in them, but the ISG, and mainstream media don�t. It�s sad they don�t have one of Sada�s pilots doing the cable news talkshow circuit. |
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yushin
Joined: 14 Oct 2006
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| was the taxi driver a spade? just wondering where he got his in-depth knowledge of Koreans to make such an authoritative statement...or may be he just had a particular axe to grind...or chip on his shoulder? |
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cangel
Joined: 19 Jun 2003
Location: Jeonju, S. Korea
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| Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 6:46 am Post subject: |
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Ha Ha Ha... A NYC taxi driver without and opinion is like a fisherman without a fish story...
I'll tell ya what though... America and Americans do take the brunt of the slagging on Dave's and quite frankly, it gets to me after a while. While I don't agree with everything Dubbya has done, at least America has the sack to do something, anything, be it right or wrong in the eyes of the all-enlightened and worldy masses here on Dave's. |
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CeleryMan
Joined: 12 Apr 2007
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 11:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Thank GOD Korea has "Rain!" He is cool! |
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endo
Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home
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| Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 12:15 am Post subject: |
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| Because life is a competition with "X" and America. Right, cowboy? You can't criticize Korea on her own without some Korean making the immediate OH YEAH WELL AMERICA IS WORSE as if only 2 nations exist on our planet. |
I think you need to look at yourselves before slagging off other countries, I don't think that these small misdemeanours are much compared to what the states have done. Therefore I feel there is no discussion.
As the other thread showed don't expect america to help out when you've HELPED them out, examples, Korea, England, Italy. There is no shoulder to shoulder with hegemonic powers. They take want they want and go.
This is where the hatred comes from. As Bush said 'you're either with us or against us' Simple how you can split decisions into a dichotomy like that. |
You are Korean. I can tell this because even when the retardedness of your OH YEAH LOOK AT AMERICA "argument" is exposed to you, you just reiterate it.
The United States gets about 70% of all "slagging" on this site. mulims about 20% and the 10% remaining gets spread around quite evenly.
Grow the F.uck up and learn to deal with it. |
Let's be real now.
In terms of hating:
80% Korea
8% America
4% Islam
4% Christianity
2% Canada
2% Gays |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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80% Korea is maybe true for the General or OT forums. Not for CE. We hardly even discuss Korea. I think most of the regular posters don't even live in Korea. I don't, Gopher doesn't, Joo doesn't (I think). Others as well.
In terms of just outright hostility, islam prolly comes in at #1. You're all welcome for that, btw. |
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