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Dev
Joined: 18 Apr 2006
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 Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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Of course, it's your choice whether you want to eat dog.
However, I won't eat it because I believe that there is a lot of intentional cruelty involved in dog meat production.
So, if you buy dog meat in Korea, you are actually supporting animal cruelty. Maybe if the people producing the meat used more humaine killing methods, I could respect the industry. However, at the current situation, I'm afraid I am not in support of it.
For more info on it, see this article. http://theseoultimes.com/ST/?url=/ST/db2/read_letters.php?idx=3165
Also, take into account just what exactly you're putting into your body. |
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SPINOZA
Joined: 10 Jun 2005
Location: $eoul
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| Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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I'll never forgive the West for pressurizing Koreans into making dogmeat illegal, therefore guaranteeing sky-high prices for the product and a vibrant black market and also worsening dogs' treatment.
If you support dogs' suffering, support prohibition. If you really love crime and kids as young as 14 smoking crack, you'll love prohibition.
Prohibition is a disease of the intellect. |
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Unposter
Joined: 04 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 6:44 am Post subject: |
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| Very well-said, Spinoza. |
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Dev
Joined: 18 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 2:31 am Post subject: |
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| SPINOZA wrote: |
I'll never forgive the West for pressurizing Koreans into making dogmeat illegal, therefore guaranteeing sky-high prices for the product and a vibrant black market and also worsening dogs' treatment.
If you support dogs' suffering, support prohibition. If you really love crime and kids as young as 14 smoking crack, you'll love prohibition.
Prohibition is a disease of the intellect. |
Are you trying to imply that the dogs were better treated before the Americans scolded Koreans for dog eating?
I seriously doubt that. You have any proof that you can show us on-line?  |
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butlerian
Joined: 04 Sep 2006
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 2:39 am Post subject: |
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| Dev wrote: |
| SPINOZA wrote: |
I'll never forgive the West for pressurizing Koreans into making dogmeat illegal, therefore guaranteeing sky-high prices for the product and a vibrant black market and also worsening dogs' treatment.
If you support dogs' suffering, support prohibition. If you really love crime and kids as young as 14 smoking crack, you'll love prohibition.
Prohibition is a disease of the intellect. |
Are you trying to imply that the dogs were better treated before the Americans scolded Koreans for dog eating?
I seriously doubt that. You have any proof that you can show us on-line? |
Nice one, Dev. You've been spot on with a lot of things on this thread. |
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SPINOZA
Joined: 10 Jun 2005
Location: $eoul
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| Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 1:14 am Post subject: |
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| Dev wrote: |
| SPINOZA wrote: |
I'll never forgive the West for pressurizing Koreans into making dogmeat illegal, therefore guaranteeing sky-high prices for the product and a vibrant black market and also worsening dogs' treatment.
If you support dogs' suffering, support prohibition. If you really love crime and kids as young as 14 smoking crack, you'll love prohibition.
Prohibition is a disease of the intellect. |
Are you trying to imply that the dogs were better treated before the Americans scolded Koreans for dog eating?
I seriously doubt that. You have any proof that you can show us on-line? |
I've really no idea. The point is - prohibition doesn't appear to have improved the situation, hence why expats walking in the woods often come across dog farms and are greeted by the sound of dogs screaming in agony while some 5'4" alcoholic adjoshi with shit for brains tortures the poor thing to death. Cruel race.
In an area where a certain product is popular and desirable (dogmeat in Korea, heroin in Britain, guns in the US), under prohibition, those products are about as likely to go away as a Frenchman in a brothel. |
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regicide
Joined: 01 Sep 2006
Location: United States
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| Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 3:49 am Post subject: |
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| SPINOZA wrote: |
I'll never forgive the West for pressurizing Koreans into making dogmeat illegal, therefore guaranteeing sky-high prices for the product and a vibrant black market and also worsening dogs' treatment.
If you support dogs' suffering, support prohibition. If you really love crime and kids as young as 14 smoking crack, you'll love prohibition.
Prohibition is a disease of the intellect. |
Great spin , oza. |
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 1:26 am Post subject: |
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There was legislation proposed a few years ago to make dogs classified as livestock when bred and raised for eating purposes. This would have meant that food inspectors from govt regulatory agencies would be empowered to inspect places where dogs are raised, would have a say in how humanely they are killed and also control the health and cleanliness of the meat produced.
Know what happened? Korean animal rights groups lobbied against it, and it got killed in committee.
THESE are the people creating the prohibition, perhaps influenced by foreign animal groups or perhaps not - point is, any cruelty happening to dogs in Korea right now can be laid directly at the feet of those groups who CLAIM they want to promote humane behavior towards these creatures.
Hypocrites. |
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Bramble
Joined: 26 Jan 2007
Location: National treasures need homes
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| Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 8:17 am Post subject: |
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There was legislation proposed a few years ago to make dogs classified as livestock when bred and raised for eating purposes. This would have meant that food inspectors from govt regulatory agencies would be empowered to inspect places where dogs are raised, would have a say in how humanely they are killed and also control the health and cleanliness of the meat produced.
Know what happened? Korean animal rights groups lobbied against it, and it got killed in committee.
THESE are the people creating the prohibition, perhaps influenced by foreign animal groups or perhaps not - point is, any cruelty happening to dogs in Korea right now can be laid directly at the feet of those groups who CLAIM they want to promote humane behavior towards these creatures.
Hypocrites. |
Well, it's nice to see that you�ve finally acknowledged the existence of Korean animal welfare groups ... for you, I guess that's progress, however belated. It's still too bad that you persist in badmouthing anyone who disagrees with you and whose views you don't fully understand. 
Don't you ever get tired of it, Bobster? And have you ever actually met any of the people you've just slandered (or libelled)? I�d really like to know.
I'm not too sure what the Korean animal welfare groups are up to these days, so I'll have to reserve judgment on that matter ... at least until I hear the latest. But this raises a big question among animal people (in general, not in Korea specifically) that may be of interest to some readers. Not everyone who cares about animals is content to spend his or her time pleading for token laws that might allow slaughter-bound chickens a bit more space, or that might get a cow slaughterhouse inspected twice a year instead of once. Some animal people feel that �welfarist� measures are a waste of time, and are counterproductive because they send the message that it's acceptable to use animals as "resources" or property. I gravitate towards this �abolitionist� perspective more and more nowadays � in the past I was kind of wishy-washy, thinking it might be possible to oppose animal exploitation and reform it at the same time.
Since we're drifting off topic, whoever wants to continue the discussion should probably move it over here:
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=94835&sid=8dabd97396d691f4fab56a3681456800 |
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The_Conservative
Joined: 15 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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| One thing I would still like to do, but haven't done yet, is buy a dog, establish rapport with it for about a year, and then beat it to death and eat it. I'm sure that would be a meal I'd remember for days, if not weeks. |
Why? |
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 1:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Well, it's nice to see that you�ve finally acknowledged the existence of Korean animal welfare groups ... for you, I guess that's progress, however belated. It's still too bad that you persist in badmouthing anyone who disagrees with you and whose views you don't fully understand. |
1. I talked about "animal welfare groups" several years ago when you were red dog and I talked about Brigitte Bardot's campaign to slander a whole nation by sending ugly pictures to soccer players during World Cup. You know this, so you are a liar.
2. I have not yet insulted you anywhere on this thread. I don't need to. You are doing a good job on your own. Again, you are a liar.
3. I HAVE insulted 2 people I have met in person by saying that they probably eat faeces. They are probably cool about it, though, because they know a joke when it hits them on the head. I'm confident they don't mind very much. So far, at least, neither has come around to harass me every time I speak on a particular topic. You're the one who does that.
4. You've done nothing to address the the facts I've displayed about how "animal welfare groups" work to see that cruelty continues to exist. That's because it's true, you know it, and there's nothing you can say but make personal insults and tell more lies.
5. You are a radical vegetarian, and by that I mean you are not content to choose for yourself what you want to eat, you want to make the choice for everyone else. You have even spoken in favor of people who set off bombs for this ideology, which of course makes you a supporter of terrorism. Got a lot of vegetarian frinds, but most are willing to let me eat a steak in peace as long as I don't try to share it with them. You want to take my steak away. I won't let you.
6. Once again, if you don't know a good restarant where the OP can eat some food made from a dog, I'm not sure why you are spending your time on this thread. That's the topic, you know. You are obviously only here to cause trouble.
We can all live together, because the world is big enough for that. Your mind doesn't seem to be big enough to allow it, though. Sad for you. The world is not going to change just to make YOU happy. Happiness is something you are going to have to find under your own steam, I'm afraid.
Can you do it? You can. You have to try, though. You won't do it by asking the rest of us to change to suit your mood. We ain't gonna. |
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Bramble
Joined: 26 Jan 2007
Location: National treasures need homes
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| Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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| The Bobster wrote: |
| Bramble wrote: |
| Well, it's nice to see that you�ve finally acknowledged the existence of Korean animal welfare groups ... for you, I guess that's progress, however belated. It's still too bad that you persist in badmouthing anyone who disagrees with you and whose views you don't fully understand. |
1. I talked about "animal welfare groups" several years ago when you were red dog and I talked about Brigitte Bardot's campaign to slander a whole nation by sending ugly pictures to soccer players during World Cup. You know this, so you are a liar.
2. I have not yet insulted you anywhere on this thread. I don't need to. You are doing a good job on your own. Again, you are a liar.
3. I HAVE insulted 2 people I have met in person by saying that they probably eat faeces. They are probably cool about it, though, because they know a joke when it hits them on the head. I'm confident they don't mind very much. So far, at least, neither has come around to harass me every time I speak on a particular topic. You're the one who does that.
4. You've done nothing to address the the facts I've displayed about how "animal welfare groups" work to see that cruelty continues to exist. That's because it's true, you know it, and there's nothing you can say but make personal insults and tell more lies.
5. You are a radical vegetarian, and by that I mean you are not content to choose for yourself what you want to eat, you want to make the choice for everyone else. You have even spoken in favor of people who set off bombs for this ideology, which of course makes you a supporter of terrorism. Got a lot of vegetarian frinds, but most are willing to let me eat a steak in peace as long as I don't try to share it with them. You want to take my steak away. I won't let you.
6. Once again, if you don't know a good restarant where the OP can eat some food made from a dog, I'm not sure why you are spending your time on this thread. That's the topic, you know. You are obviously only here to cause trouble.
We can all live together, because the world is big enough for that. Your mind doesn't seem to be big enough to allow it, though. Sad for you. The world is not going to change just to make YOU happy. Happiness is something you are going to have to find under your own steam, I'm afraid.
Can you do it? You can. You have to try, though. You won't do it by asking the rest of us to change to suit your mood. We ain't gonna. |
1. But you refused to acknowledge that any of those groups were Korea-based and run by Koreans. Are you making progress in your 12-step program for pathological liars? I thought so, but now I don't know.
2. and 3. Hahaha. Every word that comes out of your mouth is hostile and insulting, and you know it. You're just another Internet bully, so don't think you're special.
4. and 5. Unfortunately I have a life off the Internet and don't have unlimited time to talk to obtuse morons like you. Check BB's animal slavery thread on CE ... I'll post something there when I can.
6. Please put away your crack pipe. You're the one who keeps posting this sh!t to provoke a response. Do you have a life? Why don't you get one?
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 2:29 am Post subject: |
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| . But you refused to acknowledge that any of those groups were Korea-based and run by Koreans. |
Well now, that's just not true. My crime was to look at their website and notice that they openly solicit donations from foreigners overseas, and that at least some of the people involved had lived in western countries and been active in similar movements outside of Korea. My crime, in other words, was saying what is true.
You need to stop telling lies, balgan kae. You'll be better off when you do.
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| Every word that comes out of your mouth is hostile and insulting, and you know it. You're just another Internet bully, so don't think you're special. |
First of all, pointing out to people the lies you propogate is not hostile behavior. I just think the world is better off if they don't have to hear only your extremist side of things and nothing else.
I've pointed out before that calling a man a "bully" for speaking to you in the same direct way he would speak to another man on issues people might feel are important is sexist behavior on your part. You seem to want to be treated more gently because you are a woman, but you feel free to toss bricks at every moment of every day. Stop being sexist.
Look inside yourself and find the strength and love that motivates the best among humans, both men and women. So far, you've shown no indication of possessing either of those things, but I'm confident that if you look really really hard, you WILL find it.
I've not insulted you at all lately, and I promise I won't. You are telling another lie when you say that "every word" is an insult, and anyone can see that because I have made an open invitiation to dinner if someone wants to come to my neighborhood.
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| obtuse morons like you. [...] Please put away your crack pipe. [...] Do you have a life? Why don't you get one? |
Do you have ANY idea what a hypocrite you make of yourself when you accuse me of being hostile and insulting in the same breath you utter this stuff? Why not go back to talking about my wife, my dead mother, and the dog I loved as a child?
Gimme a break.  |
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Bramble
Joined: 26 Jan 2007
Location: National treasures need homes
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| Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 7:58 am Post subject: |
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I call you a bully because you are one, and everyone who reads your posts knows it. You're probably a crackhead too, with the contorted logic you manage to come up with in every argument.
Did I say you only bullied women? You've bullied several men around here too, and it's pretty disgusting. Why you're allowed to get away with it is beyond me.
You're a lot worse than Otis; at least he provides some comic relief at this site. All you're capable of is a neverending parade of lies and insults. It's tiresome and unfunny. Stop wasting everyone's time. |
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luvnpeas
Joined: 03 Aug 2006
Location: somewhere i have never travelled
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| Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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| I'll never forgive the West for pressurizing Koreans. |
Pressurizing them makes them more tender. |
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