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cangel
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Location: Jeonju, S. Korea
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| I don't disgaree with evolution. When I stated that it's bad science, I was referring to Sagan's scientific conclusion regarding this particular case. Bad, bad, bad. Not only bad, but very misleading and detrimental to science. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Carl Sagan was largely responsible for the survival of the turtleneck. Through his efforts, they have been brought back from the brink of extinction, and prosper in regions such as Korea. |
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JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Carl Sagan is the man. Make it your mission to read everything he has ever written. Twice. |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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| caniff wrote: |
| Carl Sagan was largely responsible for the survival of the turtleneck. Through his efforts, they have been brought back from the brink of extinction, and prosper in regions such as Korea. |
 He sure loves those turtlenecks!!!
I agree with Mitch Hedburg. Wearing a turtleneck is like being strangled by a very weak guy. All day long!
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| Carl Sagan is the man. Make it your mission to read everything he has ever written. Twice |
I agree completely. A real visionary and believer in humankind. I downloaded the complete series of Cosmos (8.5GB! phew!) recently. Cosmos inspired me when I first watched them as a boy in the 80's and probably gave me a life-long love of space and the potential for man in space. Or was that Star Trek??!!
I also run the SETI@home program 24/7 on my computer. I believe Sagan was one of the founders of SETI. |
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Kimchi Cowboy
Joined: 17 Sep 2006
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| Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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| It's the principle reason that domestic vegetables and fruits are much larger, brighter, and juicier than their wild counterparts. |
Unnhh.... have you ever actually gone hiking in the hills somewhere and picked wild raspberries, wild strawberries, or wild asparagus? |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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| Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 12:36 am Post subject: |
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| eamo wrote: |
| caniff wrote: |
| Carl Sagan was largely responsible for the survival of the turtleneck. Through his efforts, they have been brought back from the brink of extinction, and prosper in regions such as Korea. |
He sure loves those turtlenecks!!!
I agree with Mitch Hedburg. Wearing a turtleneck is like being strangled by a very weak guy. All day long!
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| Carl Sagan is the man. Make it your mission to read everything he has ever written. Twice |
I agree completely. A real visionary and believer in humankind. I downloaded the complete series of Cosmos (8.5GB! phew!) recently. Cosmos inspired me when I first watched them as a boy in the 80's and probably gave me a life-long love of space and the potential for man in space. Or was that Star Trek??!!
I also run the SETI@home program 24/7 on my computer. I believe Sagan was one of the founders of SETI. |
eamo, you stole my new avatar idea. Swear, I took that same pic with the same intent. Argghh!! Foiled again!! |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 2:12 am Post subject: |
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| cangel wrote: |
| I don't disgaree with evolution. When I stated that it's bad science, I was referring to Sagan's scientific conclusion regarding this particular case. Bad, bad, bad. Not only bad, but very misleading and detrimental to science. |
First Sagan didn't make a scientific conclusion. He offered a hypothesis.
Your PDF is quite interesting and I agree is a far better explanation and not a case of artificial selection. The features that resemble a face have an actual biological function. So, it's simply a coincidence. So more likely the legend was simply put into place to explain the crabs with the face-like structures along the lines of legends like "how did tigers get their stripes?" |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 3:29 am Post subject: |
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| caniff wrote: |
| eamo wrote: |
| caniff wrote: |
| Carl Sagan was largely responsible for the survival of the turtleneck. Through his efforts, they have been brought back from the brink of extinction, and prosper in regions such as Korea. |
He sure loves those turtlenecks!!!
I agree with Mitch Hedburg. Wearing a turtleneck is like being strangled by a very weak guy. All day long!
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| Carl Sagan is the man. Make it your mission to read everything he has ever written. Twice |
I agree completely. A real visionary and believer in humankind. I downloaded the complete series of Cosmos (8.5GB! phew!) recently. Cosmos inspired me when I first watched them as a boy in the 80's and probably gave me a life-long love of space and the potential for man in space. Or was that Star Trek??!!
I also run the SETI@home program 24/7 on my computer. I believe Sagan was one of the founders of SETI. |
eamo, you stole my new avatar idea. Swear, I took that same pic with the same intent. Argghh!! Foiled again!! |
You mean the subway fire safety guy? He's good, eh? |
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Qinella
Joined: 25 Feb 2005
Location: the crib
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| Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 4:18 am Post subject: |
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| cangel wrote: |
i-d-i-o-t-i-c
What? Are they passing notes to one another on the seafloor? The ones who are eaten aren't saying anything.
Not to mention, but doesn't his conclusion presuppose that the crabs would have to know what an angry samurai looks like in order to evolve into that form so as to deter people from eating them. Not only that, but wouldn't the crabs have to have knowledge of the lore to begin with? |
Are you pretty good friends with Karl Pilkington? |
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Manner of Speaking
Joined: 09 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 2:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Sagan has offered an interesting hypothesis, problem is...how do you prove it? He mentioned this in a couple of his books, before he passed away, but never offered any published research studies supporting it. Crabs are capable of migrating, after all. |
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 10:17 am Post subject: |
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| caniff wrote: |
| Carl Sagan was largely responsible for the survival of the turtleneck. Through his efforts, they have been brought back from the brink of extinction, and prosper in regions such as Korea. |
That was back in the 70s, I think, and I haven't them around much. There are a lot of fashion crimes that have yet to be prosecuted from that era, a few of them FAR more heinous than turtlenecks.
Just cuz a guy can say "billions and billions" in a very memorable way doesn't mean he'd know how to dress himself adequately, especially if a lot of people in the neighborhood are not giving anything like a good example. Actually, I'd give him less credence on science if he was a good dresser.
This is peanuts besides the REAL stuff : he didn't believe in ghosts and UFOs! How any of us can whisper his name after that is a cause for pause from me ... well, not HIS fault if he never saw a ghost or a UFO, I suppose. |
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