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huck
Joined: 19 Jan 2003
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Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 6:14 pm Post subject: Ipod Markup |
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I guess this is to be expected, but if you go to http://www.apple.com and http://www.apple.co.kr, there's a 20% markup on the Korean Ipod Nano's...
Is that because of tariffs/import taxes, or because Koreans are just willing to pay more for goods, so they can bump the price up a bit? |
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eamo

Joined: 08 Mar 2003 Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 6:22 pm Post subject: Re: Ipod Markup |
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huck wrote: |
I guess this is to be expected, but if you go to http://www.apple.com and http://www.apple.co.kr, there's a 20% markup on the Korean Ipod Nano's...
Is that because of tariffs/import taxes, or because Koreans are just willing to pay more for goods, so they can bump the price up a bit? |
The latter. |
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cangel

Joined: 19 Jun 2003 Location: Jeonju, S. Korea
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Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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They want Koreans to buy Korean. The markup is a defacto deterrent to protect domestic manufacturers. |
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Gord

Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 6:51 pm Post subject: |
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cangel wrote: |
They want Koreans to buy Korean. The markup is a defacto deterrent to protect domestic manufacturers. |
Zuh? Apple, hell bent on taking over the entire industry through tethered music, wants to protect Korean manufacturers? (you'll note that the original poster was talking about pricing on the Apple website).
The Korean price includes 10% sales tax which accounts for half the of price increase. Pre-sales tax, they are asking for $219 US. Apple also charges Canadian customers more than what they ask for in the US ($217 US).
And if you bought your Nano from Apple during mid-July, Nanos actually cost more in Canada than in Korea due to exchange rates. Why does Apple hate Canada?
Nanos also cost more in the UK at $223 before tax. Why does Apple hate the UK?
But in Japan, the Nano sells off the Apple website for $190 US before tax. Why does Apple hate America? Do they want to protect other American manufacturers? |
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Wangja

Joined: 17 May 2004 Location: Seoul, Yongsan
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Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 6:54 pm Post subject: Re: Ipod Markup |
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huck wrote: |
I guess this is to be expected, but if you go to http://www.apple.com and http://www.apple.co.kr, there's a 20% markup on the Korean Ipod Nano's...
Is that because of tariffs/import taxes, or because Koreans are just willing to pay more for goods, so they can bump the price up a bit? |
Do the US prices include sales taxes? |
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cangel

Joined: 19 Jun 2003 Location: Jeonju, S. Korea
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Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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Here, lemme dumb it down a bit fer ya...
"They," is referring to Korea not Apple. The increased price is due to VAT (tax-whatever ya wanna call it) and that is a means on keeping Koreans buying Korean. |
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Wangja

Joined: 17 May 2004 Location: Seoul, Yongsan
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Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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So the VAT in Europe is to stop Europeans buying ...... whose products? |
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Endesu
Joined: 24 Apr 2006 Location: Bucheon
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Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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Markups on Ipods are ridiculously low. Most smaller sellers that sell small quantities of Ipods operate on a 5-10% profit margin. Last year at christmas I sold Ipod 60gb's and earned about 7 dollars on each....
In Korea, I heard the market hasn't pushed the price down that far yet, but I seriously doubt they make much money on them, and hence would prefer to sell Korean players with a decent margin. Less trouble than Ipods too.
And you North Americans need to stop comparing prices with everywhere else! All your prices are without taxes, which is quite confusing to the rest of us. US and Canada almost always comes out the cheapest because of your low taxes and pay-for warranties schemes.
Where I come from, there is a sales tax of 25% and a minimum 2 year free warranty required by law. In Korea there is 10% and 1 year minimum. Offcourse North America will be cheaper.
Buy at home, not abroad! |
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Gord

Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 12:28 am Post subject: |
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cangel wrote: |
Here, lemme dumb it down a bit fer ya...
"They," is referring to Korea not Apple. The increased price is due to VAT (tax-whatever ya wanna call it) and that is a means on keeping Koreans buying Korean. |
Lovely, but extra that the 10% VAT is on everything sold in Korea and not just non-Korean products.
And import tariffs apply to both products equally as nearly no components of any Korean branded MP3 player is produced in Korea, and as a general rule almost every MP3 player in the world is assembled by companies like Samphone Electronic, Franmar, Shenzhen Telstar, Cessbo, Handy-Age Industrial, etc.
Or if you get really bored, Welteam Global will send you a knock-off of any MP3 player on the market they've seen in any colour with any logo you want.
And under NAFTA, there is no import tariff on iPods yet they are same price as the Korea and 10% more than the U.S. Why does Apple hate Canada? |
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CeleryMan
Joined: 12 Apr 2007 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 2:36 am Post subject: |
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cangel wrote: |
They want Koreans to buy Korean. The markup is a defacto deterrent to protect domestic manufacturers. |
.... which explains why Korean-made product i.e. Samsung are typically more expensive locally than abroad say in the US. Go figure .. |
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huck
Joined: 19 Jan 2003
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Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 6:01 am Post subject: |
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I'm going to go with the sales tax as the answer....In Korea, it's already included in the price..In the USA, it's not.....
That's good enough for me.. |
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cangel

Joined: 19 Jun 2003 Location: Jeonju, S. Korea
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Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 6:37 am Post subject: |
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Jeezusss Krist you guys like to split hairs... Heaven forbid make a mistake regarding VAT vs. tax vs whatever. The FACT is that buying products from outside the country at a value greater than USD150, incurs a 15% tax/vat/whatever! I lived in Japan for 6 years and never ONCE paid a tax, ANY kind of tax on imported goods. I lived in Germany for 2 years and NEVER paid such a tax there either. The fact that Korea has such a tax, I construe to mean, buy local! Not that frikin' hard to understand! Additionally, foreign made goods retailing in Korea also get socked with taxes that domestic products don't ever see. Call it a luxury tax or whatever, I call it protecting domestic markets and borderline socialist. |
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nick_shawyer
Joined: 17 Jul 2007 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 6:43 am Post subject: |
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Gord wrote: |
cangel wrote: |
They want Koreans to buy Korean. The markup is a defacto deterrent to protect domestic manufacturers. |
Zuh? Apple, hell bent on taking over the entire industry through tethered music, wants to protect Korean manufacturers? (you'll note that the original poster was talking about pricing on the Apple website).
The Korean price includes 10% sales tax which accounts for half the of price increase. Pre-sales tax, they are asking for $219 US. Apple also charges Canadian customers more than what they ask for in the US ($217 US).
And if you bought your Nano from Apple during mid-July, Nanos actually cost more in Canada than in Korea due to exchange rates. Why does Apple hate Canada?
Nanos also cost more in the UK at $223 before tax. Why does Apple hate the UK?
But in Japan, the Nano sells off the Apple website for $190 US before tax. Why does Apple hate America? Do they want to protect other American manufacturers? |
In general the big electrical manufacturers like apple and sony sell their products far cheaper in america and japan (probably because they tend to be the trend setters) than they do in continental europe and then for the UK there is a further mark up, so us brits get stung every time - there is a reason it is called 'rip off britain'! take the i-tunes website for example I believe to download a song costs 79p in the UK and just 66p in mainland europe for exactly the same service and we are not allowed to use their websites, but atleast EU is getting involved over that now. |
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Gord

Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 7:06 am Post subject: |
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cangel wrote: |
Jeezusss Krist you guys like to split hairs... Heaven forbid make a mistake regarding VAT vs. tax vs whatever. |
Actually, I covered both VAT and tariffs. Please do not suggest I am "splitting hairs" do wittle down your stated claims.
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The FACT is that buying products from outside the country at a value greater than USD150, incurs a 15% tax/vat/whatever! |
On items for commercial purposes, their is rarely any allowance tax-free claims. On goods for personal use, there is often a small allowance limit (in Canada, this limit is $60 I believe, though it used to be $40 a few years ago). Please do list "facts" when they are not.
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I lived in Japan for 6 years and never ONCE paid a tax, ANY kind of tax on imported goods. |
Is that so? And how did you pull that stunt off? Japan has thousands of tariffs and duties across many genres of products. Have a look. Hope you don't suggest that you never had rice or a beer in Japan because if you had, then you've paid the very taxes you just denied ever paying.
http://www.customs.go.jp/english/tariff/2007_4/index.htm
Any person or company importing anything into the country has to pay those taxes, though they aren't listed on your receipt when bought at the store level.
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The fact that Korea has such a tax, I construe to mean, buy local! Not that frikin' hard to understand! Additionally, foreign made goods retailing in Korea also get socked with taxes that domestic products don't ever see. Call it a luxury tax or whatever, I call it protecting domestic markets and borderline socialist. |
There is no special tax that applies to Apple Nanos that doesn't apply to iRiver products as they are all imported products and components. Please due not suggest that there is. |
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cangel

Joined: 19 Jun 2003 Location: Jeonju, S. Korea
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Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 7:43 am Post subject: |
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You have way too much time on your hands and yes you are splitting hairs, and you're even splitting hairs regarding splitting hairs.
Let me restate. I NEVER paid an additional tax on ANYTHING I ordered and subsequently imported to Japan. I made NO mention of a Japanese retailer. NONE. Nor am I or was I referring to imports for retail.
Now, are we talking about personal items or are we on commercial items like you sorta sequed into? In Korea, items you import with a value over USD 150 incur a 15% tax. Easy. Simple. I have NO idea about commercial imports but I'm sure Korea, the hub of Asia, taxes... Anyway. Oh, and the Japan link, mentions nothing of currency value or whether those regulations apply to commercial of personal imports. But I can venture a guess and say that it refers to imports for retail and NOT for personal use. However, if you import 5000 shirts for "personal use," I'm pretty sure you'll get taxed.
I can't believe I've wasted so much time on such a simple frikin' topic. Get a grip buddy. Hopefully I will do the same. |
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