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Tony_Balony
Joined: 12 Apr 2007
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HOW HOMOSEXUALITY DESTROYS
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As mentioned in the mini-bio of Billy Squier I wrote up, Billy's career sort of crashed after a certain video was made for the song, Rock Me Tonite. I am here to defend Billy Squier to the end on this whole concept. The reason why this video almost single-handedly killed his career is because it is the GAYEST video made for a straight rock dude. Yeah, I said it. Billy Squier is straight. I'm tired of hearing straight rock dudes snicker and say that Billy is gay. Until he steps up to a microphone on National Coming Out Day and says, "Hey world! I'm as gay as you thought I was!", I will give him the benefit of the doubt. Not that his sexuality matters to me...I love his music first and foremost. I love this song! I had it on 45!! I will admit though, after seeing this video, it was a harder case defend.
My theory as to why this video was so super gay boils down to two factors. One, the director, the costume designer, the set designer...all the way down to the gaffer. I'm not sure what vision the director was going for with this video, but he must have not seen the gayness that was sprouting up everywhere. You see, back in the old days when MTV actually played videos, the looks, trends and feel of music was changing. You HAD to make a video and get it played on MTV to make it or stay afloat. The problem with some artists, especially the burly rockers and arena rockstars, is that they weren't video-pretty. People wanted to see the suave Duran Duran faces, and started to not care about .38 Special. Some artists were clever enough to get through (ZZTop, Rod Stewart), but some artists lost their stride (or their Stroke? Ha!). Billy was one such artist. Not to say he didn't try. Most of his other videos were plain ol' concert/on-stage videos. Then he did the video for Rock Me Tonite.
The other factor that ties in with the first one is putting a rock guitar dude into an environment that was not meant for rock dudes. Billy Squier capped off the end of the 70's and early 80's with a string a crunchy power-pop hits. His audience was...well....rock dudes and chicks. He wasn't New Wave by any means. What happens when you put an arena rocker into the world of pretty new wave videos?
You get The Gayest Rock Video By A Straight Rock Dude. Ever. |
http://www.bobaloorox.com/rockmetonite.htm |
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dutchy pink
Joined: 06 Feb 2007
Location: Incheon
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| Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 4:39 am Post subject: |
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| The 'if all humans were homosexual' argument doesn't quite cut it. You might as well argue 'if all humans were female....' You believe in a creator god right...so does looking around you give you the impression that he is against diversity? |
I agree, you can make and endless list of arguments and examples of how and why the bible should not be taken literally and only one reason why you should. Because it's the bible and it is written by god.
I feel like I'm resorting to childish arguments here, but if god is god and he is the creator than he created homosexuality.
If he is so averse to "unnatural" acts, how do you explain that virgin birth that seems so popular? that sounds unnatural. How about artificial insemenation? is that OK? but then that tricky bit about spilling your seed.
I have no problem with people being religious in any way,shape or form,
if it leads you to have a richer, better, productive life, go for it.
But with all the different thought beliefs out there, how can you really say this one is correct. You can say, I agree with this one, but that's just me. Just like you say, I like cheeseburgers, but that's just me.
To be so steadfast in one idea is a bit strange to me. My life consists of changing my ideas and opinions as things, I, change. |
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twg
Joined: 02 Nov 2006
Location: Getting some fresh air...
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| Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 5:30 am Post subject: |
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| The Bible is remarkably clear about a great many issues and homosexuality is one of them. |
And every version says homos must die.
Do you believe the Bible is the word of God or not, Demophobe? By not advocating the death of gays, you are defying the word.
Or was God wrong? Flakifizer thinks so. Do you? |
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kermo
Joined: 01 Sep 2004
Location: Eating eggs, with a comb, out of a shoe.
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| Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 1:52 pm Post subject: |
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| twg wrote: |
| Demophobe wrote: |
| The Bible is remarkably clear about a great many issues and homosexuality is one of them. |
And every version says homos must die.
Do you believe the Bible is the word of God or not, Demophobe? By not advocating the death of gays, you are defying the word.
Or was God wrong? Flakifizer thinks so. Do you? |
Easy there, hold your horses.
A) The people being put to death are in the Old Testament, which contains a lot of laws that apply exclusively to the Hebrews at that time, and I think the quotes from Acts on the previous page make that pretty clear. Homosexuality is condemned in the New Testament, but no death sentences are mandated.
B) Different versions (i.e., translations) vary in their interpretation of the word "qadesh" which specifically means "male temple prostitute" not just your garden-variety gay, and "to'ebah" which means pagan/foreign/non-Kosher but is sometimes translated as "abomination." |
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kermo
Joined: 01 Sep 2004
Location: Eating eggs, with a comb, out of a shoe.
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| Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 2:27 pm Post subject: |
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Just so we're clear:
--I'm a Christian
--I'm straight
--I take the Bible seriously
However,
--I have a great deal of sympathy for gay people, given the discrimination and hate they face, and the life of celibacy/frustration/loneliness they are condemned to according to Christian norms.
--I don't see any ethical/moral reason not to accept homosexuality, aside from the Bible
--To the best of our scientific knowledge to date, it's genetically influenced and "incurable"
I don't want to be one of those people who tries to bend the Bible to suit their own tastes, but there are certainly people who use the Bible to justify their hatred of gays, which might in fact be culturally induced, not plain ol' moral outrage.
At this point, I've suspended judgement (and see no reason to come down on one side or the other given my current situation and understanding) but I've been reading some rather compelling arguments that make the case for accepting loving, committed, consensual homosexual behaviour. These people put it rather well:
www.whosoever.org/bible/ |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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Kermo, I'm really sorry. I didn't mean to be insulting. It was a joke, though not couched in very warm terms.
As for the rest of the people who want to keep going around and around, deeper and deeper, in wider and wider circles, there is no point. We disagree and that's it. I am not going to write a theological thesis here to defend myself, and that isn't necessary. I can't say anything that hasn't been said before by people far more educated on the subject, so I will let you all find your own answers; they are out there and not hiding, so happy hunting.
To reiterate, I do not hate gays, nor am I a "homophobe", whatever that means (even my spelling filter underlines it as not being a word!). My faith is incongruent with homosexuality, and thats the end.
Enjoy yourselves. |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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| The spell checker says that christianity with a small 'c' is spelled wrong (it's fine with a capital), but it doesn't do that for atheism or agnosticism... |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 3:17 pm Post subject: |
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| laogaiguk wrote: |
| The spell checker says that christianity with a small 'c' is spelled wrong (it's fine with a capital), but it doesn't do that for atheism or agnosticism... |
Exactly.  |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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| kermo wrote: |
Just so we're clear:
--I'm a Christian
--I'm straight
--I take the Bible seriously
However,
--I have a great deal of sympathy for gay people, given the discrimination and hate they face, and the life of celibacy/frustration/loneliness they are condemned to according to Christian norms.
--I don't see any ethical/moral reason not to accept homosexuality, aside from the Bible
--To the best of our scientific knowledge to date, it's genetically influenced and "incurable"
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I feel that way for anyone lost in sin and can't turn away. Addicts, the deathly ill, the starving...there are many who suffer far more than gays.
If you take the Bible seriously, then you cannot accept homosexuality anymore than you can accept another sin. |
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kermo
Joined: 01 Sep 2004
Location: Eating eggs, with a comb, out of a shoe.
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| Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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If you take the Bible seriously, then you cannot accept homosexuality anymore than you can accept another sin. |
...unless the Bible is actually talking about something quite aside from committed, consensual homosexual relationships, and discussing temple prostitutes or homosexual rape instead.
For example, in 1 Timothy and in 1 Corinthians, where the English translation condemns "homosexuality" or "perversion," the Greek word is "malakoi arsenokoitai." The first word, "malakoi," means "soft," (it's seen in other Biblical texts to describe "soft clothing") and modern scholars have no idea what the second word means. Other texts written in Greek at the time use different words to discuss homosexuality.
Scary, no? |
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Jizzo T. Clown
Joined: 27 Mar 2006
Location: at my wit's end
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| Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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"The word homophobic is gay."
And why the need for parades  |
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Atavistic
Joined: 22 May 2006
Location: How totally stupid that Korean doesn't show in this area.
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| Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 3:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Jizzo T. Clown wrote: |
"The word homophobic is gay."
And why the need for parades |
Dude. Clowns love parades. |
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flakfizer
Joined: 12 Nov 2004
Location: scaling the Cliffs of Insanity with a frayed rope.
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| Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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As a retort to your BS reply, I present to you highlights of "John".
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# People are damned or saved depending only on what they believe. 3:18, 36
# The "wrath of God" is on all unbelievers. 3:36
# John, with his usual anti-Semitism, says that the Jews persecuted Jesus and "sought to slay him." 5:16, 18
# John says that Jesus "would not walk in Jewry, because the Jews sought to kill him." 7:1
# No one could speak openly about Jesus "for fear of the Jews." 7:13
# If you don't believe in Jesus, you will "die in your sins" (and then go to hell). 8:24
# Jesus calls his opponents (the Jews) the sons of the devil. 8:44
# Once again, "the Jews" are accused of trying to kill Jesus. 11:8
# If you don't believe in Jesus you are going to hell. 12:48
# Jesus is the only way to heaven. All other religions lead to hell. 14:6
# John blames the Jews for the death of Jesus. 19:7, 12, 14-15
# "He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father."
If you follow Jesus' teachings, God will love you -- otherwise... well, you know. 14:21
# Those who do not believe in Jesus will be cast into a fire to be burned. 15:6
# Now that Jesus has come, non-believers have no excuse for not believing in him. 15:22
# John, with his usual anti-Semitism, says that the disciples hid in locked room "for fear of the Jews." 20:19 |
I suppose this is all lost in context, eh?
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Is there point here? And your assertion that John (a Jew) who followed and worshiped Jesus (a Jew) was anti-Jewish is rather humorous.
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flakfizer
Joined: 12 Nov 2004
Location: scaling the Cliffs of Insanity with a frayed rope.
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| Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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| twg wrote: |
| Demophobe wrote: |
| The Bible is remarkably clear about a great many issues and homosexuality is one of them. |
And every version says homos must die.
Do you believe the Bible is the word of God or not, Demophobe? By not advocating the death of gays, you are defying the word.
Or was God wrong? Flakifizer thinks so. Do you? |
HUH? WHat do I think? If you're saying I think God was wrong, you are very much mistaken. Where did you get that from? |
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nicholas_chiasson
Joined: 14 Jun 2007
Location: Samcheok
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| Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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| One of the nice things about christianty is all the bad people can only go to hell once. Therefore hommosexuality is sinful, like all the other sins in the book. And some sins are more 'disgusting' than others. But the aesthetics of sexual practices aren't really important. After all burning in hell for sod-om-omy, or necrophillia or fornication, do you really care WHY you're there. As a catholic, you can do pretty much anything if you're sorry before you die. |
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