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safeblad
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Names are important, I suppose but mostly the importance comes from the expectation people attach to the name.
People have told me that I don't have a "Black" name? It's like WTF? Blame my parents for giving me a "White" name?!?  I swear it made me feel stupider each time someone brought it up.
But ultimately, you will become who you are based more on your life's experiences and upbringing, not based on your name...such as the Winner-Loser name game... |
yep.... from the same book http://www.slate.com/id/2116449/
....The data show that, on average, a person with a distinctively black name�whether it is a woman named Imani or a man named DeShawn�does have a worse life outcome than a woman named Molly or a man named Jake. But it isn't the fault of his or her name. If two black boys, Jake Williams and DeShawn Williams, are born in the same neighborhood and into the same familial and economic circumstances, they would likely have similar life outcomes. But the kind of parents who name their son Jake don't tend to live in the same neighborhoods or share economic circumstances with the kind of parents who name their son DeShawn. And that's why, on average, a boy named Jake will tend to earn more money and get more education than a boy named DeShawn. DeShawn's name is an indicator�but not a cause�of his life path. |
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Alyallen
Joined: 29 Mar 2004
Location: The 4th Greatest Place on Earth = Jeonju!!!
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| Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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| safeblad wrote: |
| Alyallen wrote: |
Names are important, I suppose but mostly the importance comes from the expectation people attach to the name.
People have told me that I don't have a "Black" name? It's like WTF? Blame my parents for giving me a "White" name?!? I swear it made me feel stupider each time someone brought it up.
But ultimately, you will become who you are based more on your life's experiences and upbringing, not based on your name...such as the Winner-Loser name game... |
yep.... from the same book http://www.slate.com/id/2116449/
....The data show that, on average, a person with a distinctively black name�whether it is a woman named Imani or a man named DeShawn�does have a worse life outcome than a woman named Molly or a man named Jake. But it isn't the fault of his or her name. If two black boys, Jake Williams and DeShawn Williams, are born in the same neighborhood and into the same familial and economic circumstances, they would likely have similar life outcomes. But the kind of parents who name their son Jake don't tend to live in the same neighborhoods or share economic circumstances with the kind of parents who name their son DeShawn. And that's why, on average, a boy named Jake will tend to earn more money and get more education than a boy named DeShawn. DeShawn's name is an indicator�but not a cause�of his life path. |
Right and the amusing thing is that people still think Black = African American so the name Deshawn represents lower income socioeconomic status when it might not. I mean, take the name Mercedes. Some people might think that the parent must be poor because they named their kid after a car when in fact, the name came way before the car.
I would have the same name regardless of whether I was born in Jamaica or in the U.S. The only difference is that in the U.S. it's viewed as an indicator of something.
It is what others want it to be, I guess.
Wow...this thread took an interesting turn. In any event, the name you choose to give your child shouldn't have to pass government scrutiny...even if it's a horrid horrid name in the opinion of some... |
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cangel
Joined: 19 Jun 2003
Location: Jeonju, S. Korea
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| Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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| who do you trust to do this, and how can the population agree on what is or is not torment |
Easy... Society dictates what is socially acceptable.
I agree with you on the burning in hell thing. There are numerous things people do that are tantamount to child abuse in my book. For one, any parent that subjects their child to second-hand smoke is, in my book, guilty of child abuse. No, I am not talking about walking past a smoker or some other small infraction... I'm talking about those addicts that cruise down the road in their car, puffing away with a child in there. But there are numerous things that pi ss me off like this. Parents should have to pass a test before being able to procreate! |
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Alyallen
Joined: 29 Mar 2004
Location: The 4th Greatest Place on Earth = Jeonju!!!
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| Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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| who do you trust to do this, and how can the population agree on what is or is not torment |
Easy... Society dictates what is socially acceptable.
I agree with you on the burning in hell thing. There are numerous things people do that are tantamount to child abuse in my book. For one, any parent that subjects their child to second-hand smoke is, in my book, guilty of child abuse. No, I am not talking about walking past a smoker or some other small infraction... I'm talking about those addicts that cruise down the road in their car, puffing away with a child in there. But there are numerous things that pi ss me off like this. Parents should have to pass a test before being able to procreate! |
Scoiety dictates what is socially acceptable?
Well...I'd think New Zealand society accepts the idea of individualism and choice but it doesn't apply to what name you give your child?
Quite frankly, considering the things that societies find (or have found) acceptable throughout the ages, I can't say I'd want to defer to the mob... |
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Alyallen
Joined: 29 Mar 2004
Location: The 4th Greatest Place on Earth = Jeonju!!!
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I just remembered reading this article about the "Whitest" and "Blackest" names in America. Is your name on the list? Mine is...
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=2470131&page=1
20 "Whitest" Girl Names
Molly
Amy
Claire
Emily
Katie
Madeline
Katelyn
Emma
Abigail
Carly
Jenna
Heather
Katherine
Caitlin
Kaitlin
Holly
Allison
Kaitlyn
Hannah
Kathryn
20 "Blackest" Girl Names
Imani
Ebony
Shanice
Aaliyah
Precious
Nia
Deja
Diamond
Asia
Aliyah
Jada
Tierra
Tiara
Kiara
Jazmine
Jasmin
Jazmin
Jasmine
Alexus
Raven
20 "Whitest" Boy Names
Jake
Connor
Tanner
Wyatt
Cody
Dustin
Luke
Jack
Scott
Logan
Cole
Lucas
Bradley
Jacob
Garrett
Dylan
Maxwell
Hunter
Brett
Colin
20 "Blackest" Boy Names
DeShawn
DeAndre
Marquis
Darnell
Terrell
Malik
Trevon
Tyrone
Willie
Dominique
Demetrius
Reginald
Jamal
Maurice
Jalen
Darius
Xavier
Terrance
Andre
Darryl |
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Alyallen
Joined: 29 Mar 2004
Location: The 4th Greatest Place on Earth = Jeonju!!!
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ok...What in the hell?
Hell of a name gets boy banned from Australian school
Mon Jul 9, 2:58 PM ET
MELBOURNE (AFP) - A boy called Hell has been barred from enrolling in a Catholic school in Australia because his surname jarred with its religious teachings, the child's father said Monday.
The youngster's dad, 45-year-old Alex Hell, has expressed outrage after the primary school in the southern city of Melbourne allegedly refused to admit his son, Max.
"We are victims of our name," said Hell, whose name is of Austrian origin.
"We're quite devastated by the whole thing," the Catholic father of three told the Australian Associated Press.
"It's 2007, not 1407 -- it's not the Dark Ages."
Hell said that at one point he offered to change his son's name to his wife's maiden name of Wembridge, a suggestion that he said was welcomed by the principal of St Peter the Apostle primary school, Michael McGrath.
But he changed his mind, and was then told that Max would not be able to attend the school, Hell said.
School officials later had a change of heart, but Hell now says there is no way he will ever enrol his son there.
"The school has turned around and said Max can go there, but why would you want to go there after being victimised?" he said.
"I'd rather go to another school -- we had no problem with the public school but we just wanted to further Max's education," Hell said, adding that he would move his family to the nearby city of Geelong and put Max in another school.
St Peter the Apostle School said it had offered Max a place and confirmed that Hell had offered to change his child's name.
"The issue of a change of surname of the child was an initiative of the parents which they believed would assist the child in the transition of schools," the school said in a statement.
"The school is working with the family in the best interests of the child," the statement added. |
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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| What's the bet those parents are pot smokers? 4Reeeeeeeal maing! |
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Alyallen
Joined: 29 Mar 2004
Location: The 4th Greatest Place on Earth = Jeonju!!!
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| Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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| What's the bet those parents are pot smokers? 4Reeeeeeeal maing! |
Oh...it gets better...And I thought Nicholas Cage and his wife were a dolts....
Is it a bird? Is it a plane? No, it's a baby, 4Real!
WELLINGTON (Reuters) - A New Zealand couple is looking to call their newborn son Superman -- but only because their chosen name of 4Real has been rejected by the government registry.
Pat and Sheena Wheaton say they will get around the decision by the Registrar of Births, Deaths and Marriages by officially naming their son Superman but referring to him as 4Real, the New Zealand Herald newspaper has reported.
The Wheatons decided on the name after seeing the baby for the first time in an ultrasound scan and realising their baby was "for real".
They decided 4Real was the best way to write it, but the name was rejected because the registrar said a name had to be a sequence of characters.
Pat Wheaton said he was considering appealing against the decision through the courts, but whatever happens he won't be budged on his choice.
"No matter what its going to stay 4Real," Wheaton told the Herald, "I'm certainly not a quitter".
A spokesman for the Department of Internal Affairs, which operates the registry told the Herald discussions with the Wheatons about their son's name were continuing.
The baby is now two months old, after the Wheatons first applied to register his name in later June.
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canuckistan
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| Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Sometimes, the moronacy and incompetence of parents needs to be reigned in. |
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Atavistic
Joined: 22 May 2006
Location: How totally stupid that Korean doesn't show in this area.
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| Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 10:17 pm Post subject: |
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Heather
Ebony
Shanice
Precious
Diamond
Asia
Aliyah
Tiara
Jazmine
Jasmin
Jazmin
Jasmine
Alexus |
I had these names when I taught in Atlanta.
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Dylan
DeShawn
DeAndre
Marquis
Darnell
Terrell
Tyrone
Dominique
Jamal
Maurice
Jalen
Darius
Xavier [Also had an Xavien]
Terrance
Andre
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Had these, too.
I also had a child whose first name was Prince. His middle name was unique. Literally. Unique. Prince Unique.
Guess how old his momma was when she had him?
Also, the article says the problem is the number at the BEGINNING of the name. So they should just change it to "Its4real" or "It's4real" or "Itz4real" and be done with it.
Stupid parents. |
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Alyallen
Joined: 29 Mar 2004
Location: The 4th Greatest Place on Earth = Jeonju!!!
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| Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 11:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Atavistic wrote: |
| Alyallen wrote: |
Heather
Ebony
Shanice
Precious
Diamond
Asia
Aliyah
Tiara
Jazmine
Jasmin
Jazmin
Jasmine
Alexus |
I had these names when I taught in Atlanta.
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Dylan
DeShawn
DeAndre
Marquis
Darnell
Terrell
Tyrone
Dominique
Jamal
Maurice
Jalen
Darius
Xavier [Also had an Xavien]
Terrance
Andre
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Had these, too.
I also had a child whose first name was Prince. His middle name was unique. Literally. Unique. Prince Unique.
Guess how old his momma was when she had him?
Also, the article says the problem is the number at the BEGINNING of the name. So they should just change it to "Its4real" or "It's4real" or "Itz4real" and be done with it.
Stupid parents. |
I've come across those names before. Friends or relatives mostly. But the funny thing is that some of those names aren't exactly synonomous with the Black community. At least they aren't as strange as the tried and true names spelled in the weirdest ways possible like Jakqueline or something lke that....
Actually...the new article say that names have to be a sequence of characters...
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| They decided 4Real was the best way to write it, but the name was rejected because the registrar said a name had to be a sequence of characters. |
So if they had named the poor child "Forreal" then this saga would never had started. It almost looks somewhat normal that way.... |
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cangel
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Location: Jeonju, S. Korea
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| Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 4:03 am Post subject: |
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| Well, looks like the parents wised up and decided to not name their son 4Real and go with the much more mundane name of, err, Superman. What a couple of selfish parents! A judge should have them sterilized! This kid is going to be f!cked with his entire life or at least until he changes his name. |
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just alittlecrazy
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| Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 4:50 am Post subject: |
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| with bulling and violence in nz schools, as elsewhere, increasing the parents are just painting a target on him. kids can be incredibility mean |
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Ya-ta Boy
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Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 5:56 am Post subject: |
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Obviously the parents are stupid. And most likely stoned to the gills. But they should name their kid what they want. A government that micromanages baby names is in serious trouble of making itself irrelevant in matters that matter.
The kid will go through years of crap from school mates, grow up to rebel against his parents and end up at the county courthouse re-naming himself 'John' and sending his parents to rehab. |
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darkhorse_NZ
Joined: 20 Feb 2007
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 11:27 pm Post subject: |
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| yep the issue is definitely the digit, one of my best mate's in NZ, his first name is Victory and his middle name is Eighty-two after his dad's rugby team won some comp when he was born. Needless to say, only a select few know this.. |
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