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regicide
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tzechuk
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| It's OK. He spoke it with an American accent (as I with a British accent) but it was basically correct. |
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alkun
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Its correct, but the sentence has two meanings.
1) I'm from Berlin
2) I'm a donut
A berliner is a cream-filled donut in German. So its always been a big joke with German people. |
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CentralCali
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| Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 7:02 am Post subject: |
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| alkun wrote: |
| So its always been a big joke with German people. |
You are repeating an urban legend:
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| In fact, the statement is grammatically correct and cannot be misunderstood in that context. The urban legend is largely unknown in Germany, where Kennedy's speech is considered a landmark in the country's postwar history. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 6:51 pm Post subject: |
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| I prefer to remember JFK as the first president to go down in history for having said, "I'm a jelly doughnut." |
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Doogie
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| Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Regicide, you definitely have an obsession with Kennedy. That's O.K.. I saw a really interesting biography on the Discovery Channel the other day. Apparently, he was taking tons of drugs do deal with the pain from his various ailments. The doctors that were treating him said that, had he lived and won re-election, there's no way his health would have let him finish a second term. Also, he always believed he was going to die young. He nearly did die when he was in his 20's (once anyway). |
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dogshed
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| Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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| CentralCali wrote: |
| alkun wrote: |
| So its always been a big joke with German people. |
You are repeating an urban legend:
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| In fact, the statement is grammatically correct and cannot be misunderstood in that context. The urban legend is largely unknown in Germany, where Kennedy's speech is considered a landmark in the country's postwar history. |
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My German teacher from Germany repeated it. As it was explained to me the article is left out when someone says they are a person from Berlin. Ich bin Berliner.
She also explained that the German people knew that he was sincerely showing solidarity with the people of Berlin regardless of the use of ein.
On a side note I remember the sugar cookies had a sign that said Amerikaner. |
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contrarian
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Kennedy, whether he is from Berlin or a Jelly donut made a cop out call.
I prefer Ronald Reagan's growling: "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down that wall. |
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regicide
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| Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Regicide, you definitely have an obsession with Kennedy. That's O.K.. I saw a really interesting biography on the Discovery Channel the other day. Apparently, he was taking tons of drugs do deal with the pain from his various ailments. The doctors that were treating him said that, had he lived and won re-election, there's no way his health would have let him finish a second term. Also, he always believed he was going to die young. He nearly did die when he was in his 20's (once anyway). |
The title is "JFK A Presidency Revealed". It seems that he was being "treated" By a certain "Dr. Feelgood" for his pain and stress with non-illegal ( at the time) methamphetemines and prescription pain medicine.
In "Altered Statesman" , they go a little further and "report" that Kennedy was using a variety of drugs including LSD, Pot and Heroin.
Some people believe this is the second ( posthumous) assassination of Kennedy intended to smear his name so the public will not feel sorry for him. The urban legend is part of that smear campaign also.
From another discussion:
I believe this urban legend got its liftoff from a scurrilous book called "A Question of Character" by a guy named Thomas Reeves. That book was most definitely an attempt to erode Kennedy's image. When the author appeared on the Phil Donahue TV show he was accompanied by Richard Helms of the CIA.
http://www.jfk-info.com/pjm-4.htm
"On May 30 and 31, 1991, Priscilla appeared on a two-part "Donahue" program, along with authors Michael Beschloss (1) (The Crisis Years: Kennedy and Khrushchev, 1960-63) and Thomas Reeves (A Question of Character: A Life of John F. Kennedy), as well as Richard Helms, the former director of the CIA."
"First you kill the man"
"Then you kill his name" |
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tzechuk
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My German teacher, on the other hand, told me that to say I am Chinese, it's Ich bin eine Chineserin (Sp.).
No idea what's right or wrong. I should ask my German friend. |
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Doogie
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| Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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| regicide wrote: |
| Doogie wrote: |
| Regicide, you definitely have an obsession with Kennedy. That's O.K.. I saw a really interesting biography on the Discovery Channel the other day. Apparently, he was taking tons of drugs do deal with the pain from his various ailments. The doctors that were treating him said that, had he lived and won re-election, there's no way his health would have let him finish a second term. Also, he always believed he was going to die young. He nearly did die when he was in his 20's (once anyway). |
The title is "JFK A Presidency Revealed". It seems that he was being "treated" By a certain "Dr. Feelgood" for his pain and stress with non-illegal ( at the time) methamphetemines and prescription pain medicine.
In "Altered Statesman" , they go a little further and "report" that Kennedy was using a variety of drugs including LSD, Pot and Heroin.
Some people believe this is the second ( posthumous) assassination of Kennedy intended to smear his name so the public will not feel sorry for him. The urban legend is part of that smear campaign also.
From another discussion:
I believe this urban legend got its liftoff from a scurrilous book called "A Question of Character" by a guy named Thomas Reeves. That book was most definitely an attempt to erode Kennedy's image. When the author appeared on the Phil Donahue TV show he was accompanied by Richard Helms of the CIA.
http://www.jfk-info.com/pjm-4.htm
"On May 30 and 31, 1991, Priscilla appeared on a two-part "Donahue" program, along with authors Michael Beschloss (1) (The Crisis Years: Kennedy and Khrushchev, 1960-63) and Thomas Reeves (A Question of Character: A Life of John F. Kennedy), as well as Richard Helms, the former director of the CIA."
"First you kill the man"
"Then you kill his name" |
Well, I think there may be a number of lies concerning some of the drugs he was suspected of taking. From what I understand, his health problems are common knowldge, though. He was often in agony and bedridden for days with his back problems. And then he had Addison's disease which is a chronic deterioration of the adrenal glands. The man lived in a lot of pain. It certainly wouldn't be a big surprise if he took some kind of pain meds. How else could he function in such an incredibly demanding position? Anyway, I don't think that these rumours will have much of an impact on his legacy. It's intersting to think about his legacy. I was reading a book recently about the 100 most influential people of all time. The authour included JFK on the list. I was pretty surprised because, with the exception of the standoff in the Cuban misssile crisis, I didn't think he accomplished much more in his short time. The author put him on the list because of the huge historical significance of man landing on the moon. It was JFK that really started the "man on the moon" (Apollo) program. He committed to getting there by the end of that decade......and they did. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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I prefer Ronald Reagan's growling: "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down that wall.
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In a couple of hundred years, both JFK and RR will have one sentence in the history books. JFK's will say something about facing down the Soviets. RR's will say something about him starting the decline of the US with his massive deficits. (Or possibly by then it will have been revealed that Nancy ran the presidency through her astrologer.)
American conservatives have the burden of living in an institutionally progressive country that has spasms of conservatism while gathering the strength to make the next lunge forward. At the most generous, they are footnotes. |
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