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laogaiguk



Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea

PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 11:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LUCRETIA wrote:


Why does everything turn into mud slinging...


Welcome to Dave's ESL Cafe! Wink
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jlaskie



Joined: 19 May 2007
Location: Boston, MA

PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 12:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LUCRETIA wrote:
jlaskie, what on earth do you know about me? Are you really going to say things like "you are obviously on their level" on the basis of a single post?

Now that you've given your two cents and made a snide little comment about basically nothing, do you feel better? Do you think your relative anonymity on this board gives you permission to insult people you've never met?

Sheesh... people need to relax a little. Why does everything turn into mud slinging...



well, you were whining about something a CHILD said to you...and apparently it's affected you so much, and you got "so angry," that you took the time to post about it here.

that's all i needed to know to make that comment.

and my anonymity has nothing to do with it. if you post your thoughts and feelings on a public forum, you ought to expect people to post theirs in response.
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squat toilet



Joined: 08 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 12:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I get praised and applauded for my youthfulness and virility on a daily basis. Just last week I was carried out of Hanaro Mart on the shoulders of a group of strangers when all i wanted was some Hamburger Helper and Moon Pies.

I think it's safe to say it's just you OP. You look old. Deal wit' it granny.
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beachbumNC



Joined: 30 May 2007
Location: Gumi

PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 1:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the age thing in Korea is interesting to me. i'm 25 (well, in a few more days i'll be 25) and most of my adult students are several years older than me. the ones who are in their late 30s/early 40s sort of act like i'm a kid (which, really, might happen anywhere). but the thing that i think is funny is that the ones who are say 27 or 30 think THEY are old. my director is 44 and she thinks she is freakin' ancient.

as far as kids go, well, kids are just silly anyway...but to them, i imagine 22 does seem old.
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Qinella



Joined: 25 Feb 2005
Location: the crib

PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 2:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Holy fackin hell, little children thinking adults are old? WTF IS WRONG WITH KOREANS!!!!

Right?
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LUCRETIA



Joined: 20 Jun 2007

PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 3:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No need for sarcasm - I get that all little kids think adults are old... Laughing

Its just hard for me to handle that some little Korean kid thinks I look exactly the same as her GRANDMOTHER...
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billybrobby



Joined: 09 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 4:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Koreans of all ages are annoyingly honest about each other's physical drawbacks. If you're fat, they'll just tell you right to your face. Same with looking tired or looking old. They're so honest, I don't understand how the combovered survive in Korea. Is nobody telling them that it looks bad?
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cuckoo for kimchi



Joined: 27 Jul 2006
Location: somewhere lost in time and space...or korea

PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 4:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LUCRETIA wrote:
No need for sarcasm - I get that all little kids think adults are old... Laughing

Its just hard for me to handle that some little Korean kid thinks I look exactly the same as her GRANDMOTHER...


once again ....get over it ...or over yourself or whatever..... kids aren't politically correct......
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SPINOZA



Joined: 10 Jun 2005
Location: $eoul

PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 6:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's something very contrived about the Western-people-looking-older phenomenon. Koreans and other Asians know how sensitive we are about aging and they feed off the stereotypes that (a) we look older to them and (b) they look younger to us. As we know, Koreans love being better than the West at something.

That whole "guess my age" thing (usually girls) is irritating. Guessing someone's age is very uncomfortable. Often I guess older just to annoy someone's ego because it's a very vain and arrogant request (on the assumption you'll guess younger and they can give themselves a hearty self-congratulatory pat on the back at their wonderful Korean stock), but recently, I made a genuine guess (27) to a girl who's 20. She was devo'd.

I must say though, I've come across Westerners who look strikingly older than they are. I've resigned myself to the reality that I could pass for 33 (at nearly 29). I got into booze and drugs very early and have probably taken a few years off my life. Don't drive yourself nuts over it. Think about something nice instead.
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The Bobster



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 6:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

laogaiguk wrote:
LUCRETIA wrote:


Why does everything turn into mud slinging...


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Billybrobby :
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Koreans of all ages are annoyingly honest about each other's physical drawbacks.

I guess what interests me most about this thread is the near-universal unconcious notion that looking older than you are is a bad thing. When I was 19, I grew a beard, just to look older - voila! I got into bars in California without being asked for id ...

Fact is, Koreans respect you more when you are older, so there's always the possibility that iit's not intended as an insult. I'm almost 49, still teaching kids (because I like it) and I know for a fact I have fewer discipline problems than the other teachers who are in their 20s - the kids love me, too, because I like to laugh and have fun, and they can sense the warmth even when I'm strict.

I figure it's just part of the brainwashing that goes on with the media back in the western countries most of us come from ... take my word, the world gets to be a better place, the more time you spend in it. Wink
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JMO



Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu

PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 6:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Get over yourself.


Seriously, get on it. I'm 23 and i get it all the time. Thankfully I've learned to take exactly 0% of what little kids say seriously. Unless there yelling fire or something. Can you really get mad over something so trivial? What if one calls you *gasp* ugly? Are you going to cry?
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IncognitoHFX



Joined: 06 May 2007
Location: Yeongtong, Suwon

PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 6:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haha, that's funny. My experience has been the opposite. Back home in the university town everyone (18, 19, 20 etc) thought 22 was ancient... I came here when I was 22, turned 23 a little bit more than a month ago, and everyone is going on about how young I am.

Think about it this way, when you were ten you thought everyone over the age of 12 was old... so its only natural that kids who are between 7-12 think 22 is old. They probably think 18 is old too.

I don't think it has anything to do with your looks, moreorless the fact that you're their teacher.
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Atavistic



Joined: 22 May 2006
Location: How totally stupid that Korean doesn't show in this area.

PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 6:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LUCRETIA wrote:
No need for sarcasm - I get that all little kids think adults are old... Laughing

Its just hard for me to handle that some little Korean kid thinks I look exactly the same as her GRANDMOTHER...


You don't have any experience with kids in a teaching setting, do you?

My American students guessed I was anywhere from 18 to 56 years old when I was 22.

Seriously, take a chill pill and learn to deal with kids.
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djsmnc



Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Dave's ESL Cafe

PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 6:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I get told I look younger in both the US and Korea. In the US I even get carded for cigarettes sometimes!

The plus side is that younger chicks want a piece, but the downside is..well...screw it, being a manboy rocks!
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alwaysfaithless



Joined: 22 Jun 2007

PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 6:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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They say I remind them of their grandmothers, that I have dark circles under my eyes, that I look 47 and then ask sincere questions about why foreigners are so wrinkled.

I AM ONLY 22



When my students get mad at me they call me grandfather....it gets me laughing all the time, and then they start laughing cause I am laughing. Kids can be funny and mean, but if you treat them with abit of understanding they wil truly look up to you the only way theyknow how'at least most of them will.

when i frist strarted this job i had no one to talk to; my coworkers are not on the sme league with me..I am much older of them at 41. I find it hard to communicate with them but inlike my students who seem open minded and flexible, i have grown depended on them to keep me sane.
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