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regicide
Joined: 01 Sep 2006 Location: United States
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Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 1:37 am Post subject: Why do the locals laugh when we speak their language? |
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Like their English is so perfect and alternatively, if they were in our country, would we even think about doing the same.
And quite often, it isnt a matter of the quality of the Korean language spoken. It is simply that a non-Korean is speaking THEIR language. |
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IlIlNine
Joined: 15 Jun 2005 Location: Gunpo, Gyonggi, SoKo
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Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 1:41 am Post subject: |
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My Korean is still not that great but...
I found that people used to laugh when I spoke Korean, but as I got better and more 'natural' sounding, it stopped. YMMV |
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regicide
Joined: 01 Sep 2006 Location: United States
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Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 1:48 am Post subject: |
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IlIlNine wrote: |
My Korean is still not that great but...
I found that people used to laugh when I spoke Korean, but as I got better and more 'natural' sounding, it stopped. YMMV |
I dont know how more "natural sounding" mine could get since I learned it all here from other Koreans. I might sound like a woman or a kid, but it is still native like and those who listen make such a comment about how I sound. And it doesnt happen very often. But one time is too many in my book.
But. Let's just say someone was speaking poorly. Who in the world (besides Koreans) would laugh at you? Well , the Taiwanese do the same thing actually.
Have these people ever heard of sensitivity training?
Example. How do you talk to a disabled or handicapped person?
Like a person. |
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The Perfect Cup of Coffee

Joined: 17 Jun 2007
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Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 2:17 am Post subject: |
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Uhhh, so you're saying you speak Korean like a handicapped foreigner? |
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regicide
Joined: 01 Sep 2006 Location: United States
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Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 2:24 am Post subject: |
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The Perfect Cup of Coffee wrote: |
Uhhh, so you're saying you speak Korean like a handicapped foreigner? |
Come on pay attention. Funny though as I am sure you are joking.
I probably speak like a little girl, if anything.
Let's get back on track , if that is all possible.
As I said. My Korean is FINE. I have spoken Korean over a longer period of time (12 years) than many of my students.
And this thing doesnt happen that often.
But as I said. ONE time is too many.
I can't imagine someone in the States laughing at someone's English. Even if they stuttered , spoke like President Bush, or said aint or "plug that thing back UP" , like they say down south.
This is basic stuff that shouldnt even need to be discussed. |
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The Perfect Cup of Coffee

Joined: 17 Jun 2007
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Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 2:54 am Post subject: |
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Yeah I know, sorry about that. Damn 12 years, only 4+ myself. But one thing I've found is that some Korean people, no matter the age, just cannot accept that someone who's not Korea-looking is speaking Korean. I'm not claiming any scientific survey or anything, just experience.
It's like a mental block or something. But then I'll meet 10 Korean people in a row who will just carry on a conversation without freezing mid-sentence, laughing, or making puzzled faces. No logic to it I guess.
I've had full hour-long conversations with elderly Koreans in the countryside who don't think twice that I'm a Caucasian guy speaking Korean. Then you'll meet the 30 year-old knuckleheads at KTF who don't accept that you've just asked them how much the monthly plan is for the newest Samsung cellphone. Damn. |
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laogaiguk

Joined: 06 Dec 2005 Location: somewhere in Korea
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Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 3:05 am Post subject: |
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I remember when Kim Campbell (sp?) made fun of Jean Cretien's lisp during the election in Canada some year way back. The backlash on it was quite intense. |
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regicide
Joined: 01 Sep 2006 Location: United States
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Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 3:08 am Post subject: |
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The Perfect Cup of Coffee wrote: |
Yeah I know, sorry about that. Damn 12 years, only 4+ myself |
But only around 5 years actually here in Korea over that period of time.
It may not happen to me for months but when it does it is distracting to the conversation and to what I am trying to get done. And I walk away wondering what kind of education they are receiving.
I know it is because we don't have a Korean looking face. That is what I am driving at.
The reason is understandable. Drop your jaw. Be surprised.
But laugh AT someone.
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oneofthesarahs

Joined: 05 Nov 2006 Location: Sacheon City
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Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 4:27 am Post subject: |
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I suspect it's just the novelty of hearing the Korean language come out of the mouth of someone non-Korean. I would guess for many of the people who laugh when they hear your Korean, it's their first (or one of few) times ever hearing Korean spoken as a non-native language. Whereas most of us have heard English mangled umpteen times, sometimes by native speakers!
Also, I'm sure that few people on this board speak Korean anywhere near a fluent level, and we probably make all sorts of mistakes we are unaware of. And after all, we make fun of Korean's Engrish-ee all the time. There's an entire website devoted to poor English, for goodness sakes! www.engrish.com
Also, in my experience, often Koreans laugh when they are uncomfortable. So the laughter might not be malicious, just discomfort at dealing with a non-native speaker. Much like I would guess most Americans who don't speak Spanish would be slightly uncomfortable if a Mexican person came into the store and tried to communicate in poor English. |
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cdninkorea

Joined: 27 Jan 2006 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 5:41 am Post subject: |
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laogaiguk wrote: |
I remember when Kim Campbell (sp?) made fun of Jean Cretien's lisp during the election in Canada some year way back. The backlash on it was quite intense. |
Haha that was a stupid thing to do- his lisp comes as a result of his hearing impairment. When the Conservatives ran that ad campaign they invoked the wrath of the National Deaf Association. Not good pre-election publicity. |
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nobbyken

Joined: 07 Jun 2006 Location: Yongin ^^
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Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 6:20 am Post subject: |
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Koreans laugh at each other trying to speak English.
They really tear into a friend who makes an error.
They don't forget it for years, they go to far sometimes.
Hence, most Koreans are too scared to speak English because they know they won't be fluent.
Sometimes we can learn things from Korean books or other resources, but what is spoken by Korean native speakers, is quite different.
Similar to English learnt from a 10-15 year old book, which focuses on grammar and sentence structure.
It just doesn't sound natural.
My wife thinks it's kind of cute when I speak Korean, and I think she's cute speaking English at times. Both learning though, and getting a more naturalised form of speaking.
I try to teach that it's fun to make mistakes, and a good way to learn correctly. |
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Vicissitude

Joined: 27 Feb 2007 Location: Chef School
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Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 7:21 am Post subject: |
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They laugh at you because they are xenophobic and no amount of sensitivity training will change that fact. See, Koreans look at you not as a human being but more as a sub-species or an ape if you will. Oftentimes Koreans call non-Koreans "monkies." So bearing this in mind, it would be like you witnessing a chimp that spoke your language. Now just imagine what your reaction would be like? It's the same reaction of a Korean who thinks of you as an animal. Really it's the same reaction we have to a parrot that speaks a language. We are amazed and most of us will laugh.
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crusher_of_heads
Joined: 23 Feb 2007 Location: kimbop and kimchi for kimberly!!!!
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Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 7:21 am Post subject: |
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You've never been to Montreal, have you? |
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jajdude
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 8:45 am Post subject: |
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Vicissitude wrote: |
They laugh at you because they are xenophobic and no amount of sensitivity training will change that fact. See, Koreans look at you not as a human being but more as a sub-species or an ape if you will. Oftentimes Koreans call non-Koreans "monkies." So bearing this in mind, it would be like you witnessing a chimp that spoke your language. Now just imagine what your reaction would be like? It's the same reaction of a Korean who thinks of you as an animal. Really it's the same reaction we have to a parrot that speaks a language. We are amazed and most of us will laugh. |
Wow, this should get a few replies, unless this was brilliant satire way above my numbskull head.
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butlerian

Joined: 04 Sep 2006 Location: Korea
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Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 8:50 am Post subject: |
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Vicissitude wrote: |
They laugh at you because they are xenophobic and no amount of sensitivity training will change that fact. See, Koreans look at you not as a human being but more as a sub-species or an ape if you will. Oftentimes Koreans call non-Koreans "monkies." So bearing this in mind, it would be like you witnessing a chimp that spoke your language. Now just imagine what your reaction would be like? It's the same reaction of a Korean who thinks of you as an animal. Really it's the same reaction we have to a parrot that speaks a language. We are amazed and most of us will laugh. |
Excuse me, jajduge, but: Idiot. |
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