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JMO

Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu

Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 12:48 am Post subject:

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JMO seems astounded that there could be immigration discrimination based on an idea. What more proper basis for discerning the suitability of the candidate is there? If people are likely to hold an idea that is dangerous or subversive to the host country, the host country has an obligation to its citizens to not allow them entry.

Is this really true though? In the original article it said 37% would like sharia law and 300,000 out of 2 million supported terrorism. Now I'm sure there is some overlap and this is a sizeable minority, but it doesn't mean a muslim immigrant is likely to hold dangerous or subversive views.

I am astounded that someone could advocate immigration discrimination based on religion.

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Someone who is an obedient muslim, meaning that she/he believes the koran to be True, IS supremacist, homophobic, sexist, an advocate of (or believer in the justness of) mass killing and is uncivilized.

Would this apply to christians(to an extent) also who believe in the bible to be true? I mean people who believe in a holy book often find ways to ignore the worst parts whilst still professing deep faith. Its human nature.

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Allowing large scale Muslim immigration will bring few benefits and very serious problems to your country

Well large scale immigration would ruin Ireland because Ireland is such a small country population wise anyway. I never advocated large scale immigration. I merely said excluding prospective immigrants on the basis of their religion is wrong.

I think on the one hand immigration should be like a job interview. The people with the necassary(sp) skills get in. Also on top of that any asylum seekers who can prove their need. And finally enough people to fill a yearly quota of immigrants.

I'm not saying let everybody and anybody in. It should be controlled. I just don't believe in excluding all muslims.

Also would this not make Ireland target no 1? This wouldn't be a good reason not to do it(i ve outlined my good reasons) but it would be a side effect.

thepeel

Joined: 08 Aug 2004

Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 12:51 am Post subject:

JMO wrote:

Also would this not make Ireland target no 1? This wouldn't be a good reason not to do it(i ve outlined my good reasons) but it would be a side effect.

Target #1 of what and who?

AbbeFaria

Joined: 17 May 2005
Location: Gangnam

Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 2:32 am Post subject:

JMO wrote:

AbbeFaria wrote:

What has happened is that any one who wants to defend his or her culture in the West is labeled a bigot. It's the stick the PC Left always has handy to beat anyone with should they decide to take a stance that is "pro-white". You're only allowed to voice an opinion if you're at least slightly tan and from a non-English speaking nation. Otherwise you have to shut up and take it because don't you know you're the oppressor and the root of all evil?

-S-

How do you defend a culture? Don't let anyone in that you don't like? Once again not liking muslims is not a good reason for banning all of them from entering a country. Please stop this woe is me, oh I am just a poor whitey in this PC world thing would you...its old.

I'm not a poor whitey at all, I'm a very privileged whitey because I was allowed to grow in a society that was relatively open and unencumbered. Not something I would have found in a muslim dominated society. You defend your culture along the lines of what BJWD is saying. You keep out those elements that are hostile to it and you don't bow to external pressures calling you a racist and/or bigot for wanting to maintain things at a homogenous level. Why would you willingly inject instability in to mostly stable environment?

I agree with BJWD's point that we have only just started to get Christianity removed from public life (although in the State's that's taking a bit of a beating, as of late) so, as he said, why add so many more religious nuts to the pot?

What is so terribly wrong with prohibiting people for the reasons stated, that they're beliefs are contrary to what us progressive thinkers in the West have been striving for for so long: More personal freedoms, not less. Islam does not support those ideas.

-S-

JMO

Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu

Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 4:23 am Post subject:

BJWD wrote:

JMO wrote:

Also would this not make Ireland target no 1? This wouldn't be a good reason not to do it(i ve outlined my good reasons) but it would be a side effect.

Target #1 of what and who?

i'm not sure who, but if we start banning all muslims from entering the country I'm sure there would be a backlash. Like I said, not a reason not to do it, but a side effect.

Last edited by JMO on Fri Aug 10, 2007 4:25 am; edited 1 time in total

JMO

Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu

Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 4:24 am Post subject:

AbbeFaria wrote:

JMO wrote:

AbbeFaria wrote:

Your falling into the trap again of labeling all muslims as the same. Do you really believe this?

ddeubel

Joined: 20 Jul 2005

Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 4:42 am Post subject:

JMO, I am going to start calling you Job. DD

saw6436

Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Daejeon, ROK

Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 4:57 am Post subject:

I'll follow BJW on this one here.

contrarian

Joined: 20 Jan 2007
Location: Nearly in NK

Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 5:05 am Post subject:

Muslim immigration, good or bad. Doe the US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand need Muslim immigration? The easiest an best answer is, no. Excluding them is not racist since it is based on culture, something else entirely. Saying so isn't nice, surely isn't politically correct and absolutely true. Overall the are a drag on our rociety, culturally, for scurity, for peace and order, and economically. From a cost benefit basis I'd rather have a million Russian and Ukranian Jews than a million Pakistanis and Palestinians. They've screwed up their own countries why bring 'em in to screw up ours.

JMO

Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu

Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 5:11 am Post subject:

ddeubel wrote:

JMO,

I am going to start calling you Job.

DD

i just googled Job and it seems like he had a crappy albeit fictional life. I'd rather be the dude that got swallowed by the whale at this rate Smile

JMO

Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu

Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 5:14 am Post subject:

contrarian wrote:

Muslim immigration, good or bad.

Doe the US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand need Muslim immigration? The easiest an best answer is, no. Excluding them is not racist since it is based on culture, something else entirely.

Saying so isn't nice, surely isn't politically correct and absolutely true. Overall the are a drag on our rociety, culturally, for scurity, for peace and order, and economically.

From a cost benefit basis I'd rather have a million Russian and Ukranian Jews than a million Pakistanis and Palestinians. They've screwed up their own countries why bring 'em in to screw up ours.

Christ, christ, christ... this is frustrating. Since when did all people of the same religion become the same as each other?In the OP it outlines what % of muslims support terrorism in Britain, yet most people on this thread are quite happy to paint all muslims as dangerous. Muslim immigration would just be the same as from any country as long as you apply tight controls accross the board. Those controls would apply to all immigrants.

And since when were the Ukraine and Russia such fantastic countries to live in?

contrarian

Joined: 20 Jan 2007
Location: Nearly in NK

Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 5:33 am Post subject:

Its like racial profiling a quick, cheap convenient way to make decisions.

JMO

Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu

Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 5:44 am Post subject:

contrarian wrote:

Its like racial profiling a quick, cheap convenient way to make decisions.

Yea you are just stirring. Go away please.

AbbeFaria

Joined: 17 May 2005
Location: Gangnam

Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 5:52 am Post subject:

JMO wrote:

AbbeFaria wrote:

Your falling into the trap again of labeling all muslims as the same. Do you really believe this?

That Islam does not support progressive western ideals, such as those mentioned already? I do. Can you point me to an Islamic society that has the same personal freedoms I've come to know and love in the West? Where I can read what I want, talk about what I want, sleep with who I want, dress how I want and where my girlfriend isn't a second class citizen that could be stoned for not covering her face?

I'm saying that the benefit of allowing Islamic immigration into progressive western society doesn't outweigh the risk. Sure, not all of them are bomb-belt toting mass murder wannabes but even cherry picking only the best and brightest isn't a guarantee. It was a doctor, after all, who drove the flaming jeep into the airport.

-S-

JMO

Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu

Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 6:18 am Post subject:

AbbeFaria wrote:

So we should ban chinese immigrants do ward off communism? Taking an immigrant from any country doesn't gaurantee they won't be homocidal maniacs as that korean guy in america showed. Just because Islamic countries don't have our freedoms doesn't mean that they will come to our countries and remake them in their image. Why is it all or nothing? What is wrong with controlled immigration which does not involved discriminating against everyone of a particular religion?

It seems to me in your head it is like this. Let any muslims in and withing 20 years Ireland is like Pakistan. You are delusional.

just another day

Joined: 12 Jul 2007
Location: Living with the Alaskan Inuits!!

Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 9:59 am Post subject:

under genghis khan, there was religious harmony among all the religions of the world. chrisians took a very influential part of the mongol courts. let the mongols take care of it.

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