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Beej
Joined: 05 Mar 2005
Location: Eungam Loop
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 Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 11:58 pm Post subject: |
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There will be no American rescue mission. There will be no Korean rescue mission, nor prisioner exchange on the part of the Afghan govt. These people will die, or else they will be abandoned by the side of the road when the Taliban gets tired of them.
Found out the other day the spousal unit took part in a demonstration outside the American Embassy, a building a normally hate among all over architechtural atrocities in a city full of architectural atrocites - I often go with to her to stuff like this (there's enough stuff my country's govt is guilty of) but time I was annoyed.
ME : "Why do you - why does ANYone think America should take this on as a problem?'
SHE : "America can solve it. Bush can do something, but they are doing nothing."
ME : "Why doesn't Korea do something? This country has soldiers, too, you know. Highly-trained Special Forces. Badasses, from what I hear, some of them. The hostages would likely be killed, whoever tried it, anyway. Tell me why even one parent back in America should sit awake at night and worry about a son or daughter being harmed trying to rescue these people from the dumb stuff they did.
SHE : America has more power over there.
ME : Stop thinking S Korea needs a big brother. You guys are in the top 10 economies of the world. You can do more than you think.
SHE : All it needs is for someone to make a deal and these women can come home.
ME : Everyone wants that, but hey, look. Give the Taliban money for them, they'll use it to buy guns and bombs and someone ELSE will die. Let some prisoners out, guess what, those guys will likely go out and kill people. And afterwards, the Taliban a-holes are gonna say, "Hey, that was pretty profitable. Let's look for some other people to kidnap."
SHE : I need to sleep, or else I'm gonna cry. Maybe I'll do both.
Despite the household drama, we managed to end the night with hugs and kisses ...
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There is nothing cute or funny about the way your wife thinks. It is because Koreans like her that I have lost almost all respect for the Korean mindset.. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 12:14 am Post subject: |
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It is so immaturely emotional, isn't it? Children throwing tantrums.
I think it is just a post-colonial mindset. This could have been their chance to grow up... Maybe 20 more years. |
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 1:42 pm Post subject: |
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Koreans sent their troops only because america said so. Thus, america should help get the hostages back.
Its because the us has not acted that korea wants to pull out troops now.
So, yes..nothing will happen to get the hostages returned. The taliban may release them though, to show that they reward troops withdrawals. |
The Korean govt always planned to withdraw their - NON-COMBATANT - troops by the end of the year. This position has not changed because of the hostages. It was going to happen before and it is still going to happen.
Those troops are not there because America "said so." They were asked for and the present Korean govt (which ran on a platform of anti-Americanism, by the way) said, "Well, okay, just this many and they will build bridges and work in hospitals." None of the Korean soldiers are conscripts, either, and they all volunteered for assignment in Afghanistan, probably for career advancement.
If the Taliban releases the hostages, it will be because they are tired of listening to Korean girls whining every day because they can't get to talk on their handphones any time they want. (Okay, that was harsh, and I'll regret having said it later ... Still.) |
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 1:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Beej wrote: |
| There is nothing cute or funny about the way your wife thinks. It is because Koreans like her that I have lost almost all respect for the Korean mindset.. |
She cares about people she's never met who might die tomorrow, just for the crime of doing a dumb thing. If you thought I was portraying that as cute or funny, you misread things HUGELY. I don't see any problem with caring about whether other people live or die. The only problem is asking America to solve a problem that belongs entirely to Korea. |
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Vicissitude
Joined: 27 Feb 2007
Location: Chef School
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| Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 6:42 am Post subject: |
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| Junior wrote: |
Koreans sent their troops only because america said so. Thus, america should help get the hostages back.
Its because the us has not acted that korea wants to pull out troops now.
So, yes..nothing will happen to get the hostages returned. The taliban may release them though, to show that they reward troops withdrawals. |
Apparently you have no idea what is going on.
First of all Korea volunteered to send troops to Afganistan. Moreover, Koreas don't do what they are TOLD, especially when it comes to America. In fact, they do just the opposite when they are TOLD.
Second of all, the hostages being held by the Taliban have absolutely nothing to do with the Korean troops in Afganistan. The taliban is demanding that Militant Taliban prisoners of war be released from Afgani prisons. The Taliban is not insisting that S. Korea pull out their troops as a condition or ultimatim for setting the Korean hostages free. The main issue is hostage for prisoner swapping.
Third of all, you obviously don't pay much attention to this event because if you did you'd know that the US has done plenty to assist in this process. They've managed to kill 20 Taliban militants. They've agreed to close in on the Taliban whereabouts. They've assisted with many talks on this issue between S. Korea and Afganistan. The only things they've refused to do is negotiate with the Taliban and thereby agreeing to help free terrorist Taliban leaders. America wouldn't do that for their own citizens or anyone in this world. Why should they be asked to do this for S. Korea? It's ludicrous for them to even ask. They are shamelessly demanding. Who the hell do they really think they are making these unreasonable demands on the USA?! Should the whole world be put at risk of terrorist plots just to save 21 stupid ass Koreans who should have known better in the first place. Those people can rot for all I care. |
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TECO
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 7:37 am Post subject: |
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| Vicissitude wrote: |
Apparently you have no idea what is going on.
First of all Korea volunteered to send troops to Afganistan. Moreover, Koreas don't do what they are TOLD, especially when it comes to America. In fact, they do just the opposite when they are TOLD.
Second of all, the hostages being held by the Taliban have absolutely nothing to do with the Korean troops in Afganistan. The taliban is demanding that Militant Taliban prisoners of war be released from Afgani prisons. The Taliban is not insisting that S. Korea pull out their troops as a condition or ultimatim for setting the Korean hostages free. The main issue is hostage for prisoner swapping.
Third of all, you obviously don't pay much attention to this event because if you did you'd know that the US has done plenty to assist in this process. They've managed to kill 20 Taliban militants. They've agreed to close in on the Taliban whereabouts. They've assisted with many talks on this issue between S. Korea and Afganistan.
The only things they've refused to do is negotiate with the Taliban and thereby agreeing to help free terrorist Taliban leaders. America wouldn't do that for their own citizens or anyone in this world. Why should they be asked to do this for S. Korea? It's ludicrous for them to even ask. They are shamelessly demanding. Who the hell do they really think they are making these unreasonable demands on the USA?! Should the whole world be put at risk of terrorist plots just to save 21 stupid ass Koreans who should have known better in the first place.
Those people can rot for all I care.
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cibomatto
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Joined: 30 Aug 2006
Location: NY
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Len8
Joined: 12 Feb 2003
Location: Kyungju
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| Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 1:11 am Post subject: |
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One of the party speaks the local dialect, and also happens to be a nurse. Wonder what's going through their minds.
"This Christian stuff is all Sh-t. Look where it got me.F---,f---,f---,f---."
"The sonofa----h paster that encouraged us to come."
"Oh gee. Why didn't I listen to some of my well meaning friends and their warnings"
"Oh Maa, I need you. Oh Mah, Oh Mah where are you."
"These arsew---e creeps guarding us are real slimy" |
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Tony_Balony
Joined: 12 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 6:46 am Post subject: |
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Two female Korean hostages freed
(CNN) -- Two female South Korean hostages, captured by the Taliban along with 21 others in Afghanistan more than three weeks ago, have been released, an Afghan official told CNN.
The two freed female hostages did not say anything to reporters after their release Monday.
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Mirajudin Patan, the governor of Ghazni province where talks to secure the group's release have been taking place, said the pair were freed Monday, 25 days after they were seized.
Patan said the pair -- identified as Kim Kyung Ja and Kim Jina -- were now in Ghazni's provincial capital, also called Ghazni.
The group of volunteer Christian workers were seized as they traveled by bus from Kabul to Kandahar on July 19.
Nineteen of the hostages -- 18 of them female -- are still being held. The Taliban has killed two male hostages.
Witnesses who saw the pair arrive in the village of Arzoo, near Ghazni, in a saloon car driven by two tribal elders told Reuters they appeared to be well despite earlier reports suggesting they were seriously ill.
"We saw them getting into a Red Crescent vehicle," one of the witnesses said.
"They were able to walk and appeared to be well, but they were very emotional and were crying," Reuters reported the witnesses as saying.
The Associated Press reported that the two women broke into tears after seeing international Red Cross officials at a U.S. base.
The women said nothing to waiting reporters, who had been alerted to the handoff, as they got out of a dark gray Toyota Corolla driven by an Afghan elder and into one of two waiting Red Cross SUVs, AP said.
The pair wore scarves on their heads, khaki trousers and a traditional Afghan shirt hanging to the knees. Both carried bags with them, AP said.
News that the women might be released came over the weekend after a Taliban spokesman said the militant group would free them as a gesture of "goodwill," and "without any condition or return."
Delegations from the Taliban militant movement and the South Korean government held face-to-face negotiations over the weekend in Afghanistan on the fate of the hostages.
Negotiators discussed a Taliban prisoner-hostage swap with eight militants being held in Afghan prisons being exchanged for eight of the Koreans.
Taliban spokesman Qari Yousuf Ahmadi said Saturday that his group had provided a list of eight prisoners to negotiators. Once they were released, other lists would be provided until the exchange was complete.
Afghan President Hamid Karzai has vowed his government will not exchange Taliban prisoners for hostages, but the government has never publicly said it would rule out an exchange of funds to free the kidnapped.
Along with a prisoner and hostage swap, the Taliban negotiators were to bring up another demand -- the pullout of Korean troops from Afghanistan. E-mail to a friend
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ryanbonner
Joined: 23 Aug 2006
Location: Seoul
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Vicissitude
Joined: 27 Feb 2007
Location: Chef School
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| Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 8:42 am Post subject: |
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Guess where the released Korean hostages were driven to?
"the women were driven to the U.S. base in Ghazni city, where American soldiers searched them and then let them enter."
Hmm, my guess: it's because they have the best medical treatment facilities in the whole area along kind-hearted top medical doctors who will do whatever it takes to save a life (even if it's an enemy soldier).
So to hell with Koreans who think Americans haven't done enough to help! Go get your own damn hostages, thankless, stupid, backward, cowards ... |
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Medic
Joined: 11 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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I thought the two released prisoners were supposed to have been very ill. Sure as hell didn't look like it to me. If they were as ill as reports have said, they should have been on stretchers.
They probably are under threat of not reporting anything, in case some more of their bible bashing friends end up dead on the side of the road.
Wonder what criterion were used to decide who should be released. I don't think health was an issue. Methinks the released hostages have wealthy parents, who are probably in Kabul doing their own secret negotiations.
Critically ill hostages are probably still critically ill, but unfortunately don't have the financial resources to get bailed out |
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Vicissitude
Joined: 27 Feb 2007
Location: Chef School
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| Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 8:07 am Post subject: |
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I thought the two released prisoners were supposed to have been very ill. Sure as hell didn't look like it to me. If they were as ill as reports have said, they should have been on stretchers.
They probably are under threat of not reporting anything, in case some more of their bible bashing friends end up dead on the side of the road.
Wonder what criterion were used to decide who should be released. I don't think health was an issue. Methinks the released hostages have wealthy parents, who are probably in Kabul doing their own secret negotiations.
Critically ill hostages are probably still critically ill, but unfortunately don't have the financial resources to get bailed out |
You've got a point there but you know what, women are really good at faking it and Korean women are no exception (all that drama). They probably had eating disorders that went something like this:
Taliban: "Food, EAT!"
Korean woman #1: [Takes a look and notices it's NOT Korean food. OMG! She decides to pretend that she's not hungry and decides to FAST for Jesus] "Anyio. Fast."
Days, weeks go by and the Taliban decide that she's MUST be critically ill because she will not eat. She's starving herself to death.
Taliban: "Food, EAT!"
Korean woman #2 [Takes a look and notices there is no kimchi. She is absolutely disgusted and decides to stage a hunger strike protest hoping that others will join in her quest.] "Kimchi! I die soon. Kimchi!"
Days, weeks go by and the Taliban are convinced that she has a fatal "kimchi" disease and this is why she will not eat. They cannot treat her and decide that she's critically ill. This is some strange, very strange Korean disease that they know nothing about. |
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cbclark4
Joined: 20 Aug 2006
Location: Masan
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| Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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Seriously Ill or in good health? You decide.
Korean hostages in 'safe place'
Two female hostages were handed over to Red Cross aid workers in southern Afghanistan [AFP]
Two South Korean women released by the Taliban after being held hostage for more than three weeks are preparing to return home.
Kim Gin-A, 32, and Kim Kyung-Ja, 37, spent the night at a "safe place" in Afghanistan and arrangements were being made for their departure, the South Korean embassy in Kabul said on Tuesday.
The two women were handed over to aid workers from the International Committee of the Red Cross near the southern town of Ghazni late on Monday.
"They are in a good condition and they are staying in a safe place under our protection and are undergoing medical checks," an embassy spokesman said.
Taliban officials said the hostages were freed at a "gesture of goodwill" because they were both seriously ill.
At the emotional handover they were able to walk to a Red Cross vehicle and afterwards South Korean officials said they appeared to be in good health.
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/17B068F8-C788-4946-9B61-EAEFA9D58599.htm |
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Len8
Joined: 12 Feb 2003
Location: Kyungju
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| Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe the prisoners drew straws or something to decide who should leave, or maybe the Taliban chose the ugliest and the biggest to release, because they wanted the company of the cuter ones a bit longer.
Who knows. Be interesting to find out why those two were released. Could they have converted some of their captors to christianity through the shear power of their personalities.
Maybe some of the Taliban were smitten by heaven, and decided to release the women out of fear of the wrath of their new God. |
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