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jhaelin
Joined: 30 Aug 2006
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You should violently assault every history teacher you ever had. That aside,
Explain to me, very clearly, exactly, precisely, how "the American governments international policies laid the seeds of the 1997 financial crises"?
You misuse fancy economic terms but have the economic sophistication of a typical nationalist VANKer Korean.
Explain very carefully.
Also, explain to me, very clearly, how the Korean ISI development would have been even 1% as successful if America and her allies didn't extend to her our open markets and tolerance of her closed markets.
Be very clear. |
both your questions are total misrepresentations of what i said/posted.
you suggest i should violently attack my history teachers,
well i suggest you do the same for those who let you pass grade school reading comprehension.
go back to my posts and "explain to me, very clearly, exactly, precisely, how" you derived your questions from my post.
since you seem to attack my post with no argument of your own and instead just misrepresent my points, i'll save my defense until you can show that you even have a point.
btw - don't assume i'm korean... cuz i take a stance that you're not used to in your sheltered green zone. |
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mack the knife
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: standing right behind you...
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| Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 4:13 am Post subject: |
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| if you're gonna nit-pick the definition of "markey economy" that way then wouldn't all modern capitalist economies have to be considered protectionist? |
Not at all. I could site the extreme examples, such as Hong Kong, where anything goes (at least, it used to), but let's just stick to the major players.
The U.S. and Europe have some protectionist measure in place in a few areas, while Korea has excessive tariffs, one might even say prohibitive tariffs, in place on everything that is imported. Hence, you end up paying $100,000 for a BMW that cost $30,000 in the States, you pay $7.00 for a sixer of Bud that's brewed LOCALLY, and $300 for last season's Pradas.
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| when the american congress prevents the control of ports by a dubai-based company or axes the sale of a big oil company to a chinese firm, both under the premise of national security, are these examples of american market economy? |
You answered your own question. Those are both examples of perceived national security threats, not protectionist measures (protectionist in the sense you've been using the word, which implies economical benefits to the country implementing such measures).
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| by allowing them to maintain one-sided protectionist import economy and why they helped the industrial base of s. korea at the cost of american industry....? |
Up until the last two decades, Koreans could not have afforded most American goods, so most American companies had no incentive to export most items to Korea. Thus, America "allowed" Koreas protectionism to flourish. Who could've predicted Koreans would one day be buying Prada shoes and BMWs 20, 30 years ago? Absolutely NO ONE. |
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 9:06 am Post subject: |
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| My adult students tell me most Korean people aren't even talking about the hostages anymore. After a week and a half of nothing new, they are quickly being forgotten. There are a few candlelight vigils here and there, but they are sparsely attended. While the majority of Koreans might be Christians, most of them don't think God wants them to risk their lives for Jesus, then cry on the phone to CNN about it later. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 9:27 am Post subject: |
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| The Bobster wrote: |
| My adult students tell me most Korean people aren't even talking about the hostages anymore. After a week and a half of nothing new, they are quickly being forgotten. There are a few candlelight vigils here and there, but they are sparsely attended. While the majority of Koreans might be Christians, most of them don't think God wants them to risk their lives for Jesus, then cry on the phone to CNN about it later. |
Yeah. As I've written elsewhere, most of the Koreans I talk to, even the ones who favor negotiation, pretty much admit that the missionaries were the masters of their own misfortune.
I've outright asked some students if they think that the hostages were stupid to go to Afghanistan, and none of them seemed offended at the question. A few of them even answered yes.
One thing though...
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| While the majority of Koreans might be Christians |
The polls usually show anywhere between 25% and 35% of Koreans as Christian. I think it's probably closer to 25%. But Christianity might be the largest religion in Korea, if we exclude Confucianism as a religion. |
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jhaelin
Joined: 30 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 12:00 pm Post subject: |
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| The Bobster wrote: |
| My adult students tell me most Korean people aren't even talking about the hostages anymore. After a week and a half of nothing new, they are quickly being forgotten. There are a few candlelight vigils here and there, but they are sparsely attended. While the majority of Koreans might be Christians, most of them don't think God wants them to risk their lives for Jesus, then cry on the phone to CNN about it later. |
sadly,
you speak the truth!
i mean regarding the attention span.
but that's our mcdonald land. |
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jhaelin
Joined: 30 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 12:24 pm Post subject: |
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| mack the knife wrote: |
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| if you're gonna nit-pick the definition of "markey economy" that way then wouldn't all modern capitalist economies have to be considered protectionist? |
Not at all. I could site the extreme examples, such as Hong Kong, where anything goes (at least, it used to), but let's just stick to the major players.
The U.S. and Europe have some protectionist measure in place in a few areas, while Korea has excessive tariffs, one might even say prohibitive tariffs, in place on everything that is imported. Hence, you end up paying $100,000 for a BMW that cost $30,000 in the States, you pay $7.00 for a sixer of Bud that's brewed LOCALLY, and $300 for last season's Pradas. |
hence the term nit-pick,
the whole idea of keeping a score card is subjective at best!
sure i'll agree with you that relatively, korea is mroe protectioinist than the america, and europe overall, but then will you agree that all three are protectionist in nature by the strict definition of market economy.
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| when the american congress prevents the control of ports by a dubai-based company or axes the sale of a big oil company to a chinese firm, both under the premise of national security, are these examples of american market economy? |
You answered your own question. Those are both examples of perceived national security threats, not protectionist measures (protectionist in the sense you've been using the word, which implies economical benefits to the country implementing such measures). |
so basically you're saying that korea is guilty of being not too suave and allowing the world to see how it's government is directly enforcing the interest of its elite class.
i will whole heartedly agree that the korean govt and media is still immature in comparison to the sophistication of our double speak and the civilized standards of prop-facts back home.
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| by allowing them to maintain one-sided protectionist import economy and why they helped the industrial base of s. korea at the cost of american industry....? |
Up until the last two decades, Koreans could not have afforded most American goods, so most American companies had no incentive to export most items to Korea. Thus, America "allowed" Koreas protectionism to flourish. Who could've predicted Koreans would one day be buying Prada shoes and BMWs 20, 30 years ago? Absolutely NO ONE. |
then by the simple defintion of supply and demand korean citizens bought the cheaper items, i.e. market economy.
lol
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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| On the other hand wrote: |
| The polls usually show anywhere between 25% and 35% of Koreans as Christian. I think it's probably closer to 25%. But Christianity might be the largest religion in Korea, if we exclude Confucianism as a religion. |
In the biggest cities, the percentage is much higher, well over half. This is where the action is, so to speak ... |
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mack the knife
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: standing right behind you...
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| Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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| then by the simple defintion of supply and demand korean citizens bought the cheaper items, i.e. market economy. |
You're not paying attention. They didn't choose to buy cheaper items; they simply didn't have any choice. At all.
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sure i'll agree with you that relatively, korea is mroe protectioinist than the america, and europe overall, but then will you agree that all three are protectionist in nature by the strict definition of market economy. |
No, I disagree. A country that has protectionist measures in one or two key areas (U.S., Europe) vs. a country that has protectionist measures in place across the board (Korea)....there's no comparison. At all.
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| i will whole heartedly agree that the korean govt and media is still immature in comparison to the sophistication of our double speak and the civilized standards of prop-facts back home. |
Again, the U.S. not allowing certain foreign entities to buy/control certain companies/industries is a perceived national security threat. In all likelihood, allowing a Middle Eastern multinational to buy a small stretch of highway is not going to lead to thousands of deaths; however, when enough people (common people, mind you) in the U.S. complain, voila!, the deals are canceled. If you want to point the finger at someone and accuse them of "double speak", you should be looking squarely at the U.S. news media. |
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