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patongpanda
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 Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 7:15 pm Post subject: TV program exposes Muslim hate. Police consider charges. |
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Against the DOCUMENTARY MAKERS !
Police are reporting Channel 4 to the media regulator Ofcom over the way an undercover programme was edited.
But charges will not be brought against preachers featured in Dispatches, which tackled claims of Islamic extremism.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/west_midlands/6936681.stm
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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According to the CPS chanel 4 was distorting the reality.
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In a joint statement today, the Crown Prosecution Service and the West Midlands police, have said that after reviewing 56 hours of footage of three speakers featured in the documentary, of which only a part was of course used in the final edited programme, they found that:
"The splicing together of extracts from longer speeches appears to have completely distorted what the speakers were saying. The CPS has demonstrated that it will not hesitate to prosecute those responsible for criminal incitement. But in this case we have been dealing with a heavily edited television programme, apparently taking out of context aspects of speeches which in their totality could never provide a realistic prospect of any convictions." |
http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/inayat_bunglawala/2007/08/spreading_hatred.html |
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thepeel
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| Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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So, then, somebody please explain to me the context of:
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| �Whom ever changes his religion from Al Islam to anything else kill him�. |
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| �Allah has created the woman, even if she gets a PhD, deficient. Her intellect is incomplete, deficient. She may be suffering from hormones that will make her emotional. It takes two witnesses of a woman to equal the one witness of the man.� |
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| �The hero of Islam is the one who separated his head from his shoulders.� |
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�You have to bomb the Indian businesses, and as for the Jews you kill them physically� |
(taken from the documentary)
How in the hell can the above be put back into a peaceful, moderate context?"
By the way, the dhimni-British are shotting the messenger, as we would expect servants to do.
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Police are reporting Channel 4 to the media regulator Ofcom over the way an undercover programme was edited.
But charges will not be brought against preachers featured in Dispatches, which tackled claims of Islamic extremism |
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/west_midlands/6936681.stm
You foolish Europeans.
1) muslim advocates killing Jews and Indians
2) News station reports what the muslim said
3) muslim complains (and the al-Guardian and minions takes them as honest)
4) News station hauled in front of regulator.
This is your future. Enjoy it. |
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patongpanda
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| Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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I don't believe they were distorting reality. Simply editing hours and hours of hate down to a watchable amount for a television program.
Even if selective editing were going on it's surely not a criminal matter? And what business is it of the police to enforce broadcasting standards?
How can reporting the truth be against the law?
Totally flabbergasted! |
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thepeel
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| Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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How can reporting the truth be against the law?
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The reporters are "privileged" and the reported-on are an assumed victim group. Ergo...
Phyllis Cherler explains very succinctly what is happening in the West:
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Western feminism's failure to confront the problems raised by Islam, Chesler believes, is a result of the creation of a hierarchy of sins, "an intellectual culture in which racism trumps gender concerns". The example she cites as the embodiment of wrongheaded priorities is "gay and lesbian movement activists rooting for the Palestinians who, meanwhile, are very busy persecuting homosexuals, who in turn are fleeing to Israel for political asylum".
The result, she argues, is that "instead of telling the truth about Islam and demanding that the Muslim world observes certain standards, you have westerners beating their breasts and saying, 'We can't judge you, we can't expose you, we can't challenge you.' And here in the west you have a dangerous misuse of western concepts such as religious tolerance and cultural sensitivity so that one kind of hate speech is seen as something that must be rigorously protected. That means, principally, lies about America and lies about Jews." |
http://www.guardian.co.uk/ideas/story/0,,1746153,00.html
She is talking specifically about feminism and the failure to call a woman-beating spade a woman-beating spade if he has dark skin, but I think her idea of a "hierarchy of sins" is bang-on. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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| BJWD wrote: |
So, then, somebody please explain to me the context of:
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| �Whom ever changes his religion from Al Islam to anything else kill him�. |
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| �Allah has created the woman, even if she gets a PhD, deficient. Her intellect is incomplete, deficient. She may be suffering from hormones that will make her emotional. It takes two witnesses of a woman to equal the one witness of the man.� |
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| �The hero of Islam is the one who separated his head from his shoulders.� |
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�You have to bomb the Indian businesses, and as for the Jews you kill them physically� |
(taken from the documentary)
How in the hell can the above be put back into a peaceful, moderate context?"
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Well, if they were meant as explications of someone else's opinion, which the speaker didn't neccessarily share, then the context MIGHT have been preaceful and moderate.
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| Mr Usamah said he had been featured as saying homosexuals should be thrown from a mountain when in fact he was explaining it was an opinion featured in some books, which was not one he believed. |
So, if this is what was happening with some of the quotes, it could be that the mosques and the prosecutors have a point.
But I don't know. I saw that documentary on YouTube, and in at least some of the cases it seemed pretty clear that the intolerant views expressed were those of the preacher himself. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 4:50 am Post subject: |
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(Many of ) These clerics ought to kidnapped and either sent to the middle east or Gitmo or else assassinated.
There is a war going on. They are not innocent , they are the enemy. |
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AbbeFaria
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| Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 6:16 am Post subject: |
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That doesn't seem right. When Micheal Moore edits his stuff, he's touted as a visionary documentarian and given an Oscar. I don't see...Oh wait, Micheal Moore was bashing America. Nevermind, makes perfect sense.
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thepeel
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| Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 8:06 am Post subject: |
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The way a healthy democracy would deal with a situation such as this is that these clowns would say their crap and the media would report on them. The society would react with the proper mix of indignation and repulsion and a civic debate about the validity of the values would be had. Us freedom-believers believe that the good values will triumph over the barbaric ones if such an open debate were to be had.
In sick f.ucking Britain, the police recommend the media to the government regulators for offending the proud and noble muslim.
If this keeps up, my British brethren, you're F.ucke.D. Proper, as you say. |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 10:33 am Post subject: |
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In sick f.ucking Britain, the police recommend the media to the government regulators for offending the proud and noble muslim.
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Well, I think things are somewhat complicated by the hate speech laws which the UK(along with Canada and other countries) has on the books. Suppose that one of the speakers at the mosque said something like this...
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| I really don't like homosexuals, but I'm a bit more moderate than some other Muslim preachers are. They think that homosexuals are no better than animals, and should be tied up with rocks and tossed into the sea. But I disagree with that. It's up to God, not man, to punish homosexuals. |
Now, if the speaker had said just the parts highlighted in red, he'd likely be guilty of a hate-crime under British law. By the same token, if I produce a video in which it is made to seem that the speaker said the parts highlighted in red, then I am in effect accusing him of commiting a crime. And if it turns out that I edited out the other sentences, then I am making a false accusation. And if my false accusation results in a police investigation of the preacher, then I'm probably going to find myself in a bit of legal hot water.
My own wild guess would be that the preachers said a lot of stuff that doesn't jive with the tenets of moden liberalism, but that some of the most outrageous sounding stuff might have been taken out of context. Both the clerics and the prosecutors seem pretty certain that the judges will agree that the footage was subjected to creative editting. Guess we'll wait to see what happens. |
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Nowhere Man
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| Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 2:54 pm Post subject: ... |
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For the record, the BBC is currently under fire for several editorial issues:
A Gordon Ramsey segment that was misrepresented and a phone-in show where they faked a winner. Most of it seems centered on channel 4 ( I think). |
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Big_Bird
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| Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm a bit confused, Nowhereman. The BBC has nothing to do with Channel 4. |
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Nowhere Man
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| Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 3:56 am Post subject: ... |
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Ah yes  , I see.
The Gordon Ramsey deal is Channel 4. Phone-in scandal is BBC. |
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Big_Bird
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 3:42 am Post subject: |
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Big Bird:
Interesting article, thanks. The debate in the comments section was interesting as well. Apparently, some people think that the Midlands police are overly beholden to Muslim sentiment.
The gist of Andrew Anthony's argument seems to be that the police pressed charges against Channel 4 because Muslim leaders were upset about being subjected to a groundless hate-crimes investigation as a result of the documentary.
As some of the posters pointed out, the mosque spokesmen have yet to cite specific examples of how the sermons were taken out of context. But I agree with those who have said that Channel 4 should put the complete footage on-line so everyone can make up their own minds. |
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