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posco's trumpet

Joined: 20 Apr 2003
Location: Beneath the Underdog

Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2003 8:47 pm Post subject:

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Drakoi

Joined: 26 Sep 2003
Location: The World

Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2003 11:07 am Post subject: Re: The challenge for gyopos

Tiger Beer wrote:

Yaya wrote:

I generally avoided gyopos, particularly the ones from Southern California.

This stands out. I've met various Gyopos. Generally quite cool. But LA Gyopos.. they seem really thuggish.. true?

sorry I've been away from the net, I'll try to update this thread in bits...

Yeah, LA Gyopo's i.e. the one's raised there are very 'thugish' in general, probably a survival tactic. Koreatown is smack dab in south central LA. You grow up in a warzone, you tend to become a soldier.

Being an adoptee I didn't really hang with them much. Like I said, subgroup within a subgroup within a subgroup...

Drakoi

Joined: 26 Sep 2003
Location: The World

Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2003 11:16 am Post subject:

buddy bradley wrote:

Ouch! Drakoi, posco's trumpet whipped you big time! Thank you, trumpet.

In my best Leonard Shelby voice (Guy Pierce in Memento):

hmm... I don't feel whipped.

Why am I getting a picture in my head of that cartoon bulldog who always has that little sidekick flitting around him saying nice thiings...?

Drakoi

Joined: 26 Sep 2003
Location: The World

Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2003 11:22 am Post subject:

weatherman wrote:

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One thing that article doesn't mention is that in the midwest, many of the adopting parents were religious fanatics that thought they were doing god's work by converting these children. And since we know how sexually repressed many of these religious types are, there was a high tendency to adopt healthy asian girls and subsequently molest them throughout their childhood.

Drakoi, that is quite the doom and gloom statement, making adoption bhaaad. What are your numbers, say against the general population too?

I don't believe anyone has compiled those numbers yet, but I've participated in a couple of graduate thesis studies on adult adoptees, and from those discussions, the outlook is pretty grim.

From my own experience, I know about 20 asian adoptee girls from the midwest and 4 of them admit to being sexually abused. Granted these are people who've since moved to the west coast, so I wouldn't call that sample random.

If and when the results of any of these studies get published, I'll post them here.

I'm feeling too lazy to google it right now.

Drakoi

Joined: 26 Sep 2003
Location: The World

Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2003 11:42 am Post subject: Re: The challenge for gyopos

Derrek wrote:

Drakoi wrote:

Yeah, those muslim families that adopted Korean girls really were sexually repressed!

An all seriousness though, you described my Korean/American ex-gf's family very well -- except that she was not molested. Her adopted family was/is wonderful to her.

Do you have any articles that you can add links to here? I'm curious to read about this.

some googling yielded these

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9. According to a study published by the Child Welfare League of America, at least 5I percent of the adopted children had suffered, prior to adoption, more than minimal emotional deprivation. See A Follow-up Study of Adoptions: Post Placement Functioning of Adoption Families, Elizabeth A. Lawder et al., New York I969.
According to a study by David Gil (Violence Against Children, Cambridge: Harvard University Press, I970) only .4 percent of abused children were abused by adoptive parents. Since at least 2 percent of the children in the United States are adopted (Encyclopedia of Social Work, National Association of Social Workers, New York, I977), that means the rate of abuse by biological parents is five time that of adoptive parents.

http://www.etsu.edu/philos/faculty/hugh/lic-par.htm

This next one isn't about international adoption, but shows that abuse by adoptive parents is being discussed by birthmothers.

http://forums.adoption.com/t109236.html

this next one shows that idea is common enough to be put into creative works

http://www.trinitycross.net/rk/charpage3.html

And here is an article from Holt, international.

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Yet, at present, intercountry adoption agencies and facilitators have no responsibility to provide support for, or even to keep track of the children that they place in adoptive homes. This divorce of adoption process and outcome means that agencies do not feel accountable for placements, and many families whose children are diagnosed with special needs do not receive adequate guidance on how to manage or treat their children. Failure to provide pre- and post-adoption services in these cases increases the chances of a poor outcome.
Tragedies for both children and parents may develop when families are unprepared to deal with challenging children. Extreme examples include the death of a toddler at the hands of an adoptive mother in Colorado, and the removal by child protective services of two children allegedly abused by adoptive parents trying to control the children�s behavior on a flight home from Eastern Europe. Had these families understood that their children might have significant behavior problems, they might have chosen not to adopt them. If they went forward with the adoptions anyway, these sad outcomes might have been averted with pre-adoption training and post-adoption support services.

Nothing that really supports my point, except for my earlier reply about the girls I know.

Drakoi

Joined: 26 Sep 2003
Location: The World

Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2003 11:56 am Post subject:

jaebea wrote:

Have other gyopo's felt a similar desire to "overcompensate"? Or is this relatively unique to me?

jae.

Before we found our birthparents, my sister was the poster child for overcompensation. Now she's the poster child for K-A pride. I think it's just that some people have a need to please others, I don't know if that applies to you.

But you remind me of that episode of News Radio (yes I watch too much TV) where Dave is "outed" as a Canadian. Pretty funny.

http://epguides.com/NewsRadio/guide.shtml

That show ruled, until Phil Hartman left. Why Phil? why did you have to be murdered by your wife?

Drakoi

Joined: 26 Sep 2003
Location: The World

Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2003 12:04 pm Post subject:

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This is true of anyone who didn't grow up here. Is there some reason that Gyopos should get a better (or in any way different) shake from Korean society than other foreigners do?

Is there any reason that white westerners get a better (or different) shake from Korean society than other foreigners do?

The answer to both questions is no. But the truth is that both groups DO get treated differently, for whatever reason.

I'm puzzled at your apparent obsession with whining. Who's whining? The OP was an attempt to describe some people's experiences.

little mixed girl

Joined: 11 Jun 2003
Location: shin hyesung's bed~

Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2003 1:06 pm Post subject:

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sid

Joined: 02 Feb 2003
Location: Berkshire, England

Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2003 10:06 pm Post subject:

little mixed girl wrote:

psh, maybe some other non-korean ppl wanna be gasu in korea too <_<

Good luck with that LMG! When you make it onto 'showtime' or 'music case' (or whatever it's called) we will be looking closely for any hint of regret in your grossly-underpaid eyes. Wink

Tiger Beer

Joined: 07 Feb 2003

Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2003 11:42 pm Post subject:

little mixed girl wrote:

i'll just say it's fuggin fugged up that SM entertainment, YG, bros ent, etc etc will have auditions in the states and ask ONLY koreans or other asians to come.
SM will hire and train a korean-american to sing and give them korean language lessons only cuz they are korean???
wtf??
psh, maybe some other non-korean ppl wanna be gasu in korea too <_<

Are Korean-Americans popular?

I often ask my students about what singers they like.. and no one seems to like 'Yoo Seoung-Jun' nor do they like 'Sa Tae-Ji'.. but I'm not sure if its because they are old and not making cool music right now.. or if its because of politics or something.. just curious..

Are there any popular Korean-Americans right now??

jaebea

Joined: 21 Sep 2003
Location: SYD

Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2003 1:19 am Post subject:

Yoo Seung Joon is about as popular as SARS, and that's doing SARS a discredit. He bailed on his country and obtained US citizenship, partly in order to avoid national service. I don't know the full details, and I won't pretend I do, but the general opinion on YSJ the last time I checked amongst my Korean peers was that he was someone who deserted the country that made him a superstar. shrug SeoTaiji is like, the Nirvana of the Korean music scene. He revolutionised what modern music in Korea sounded like. Created a whole new genre by himself, and is thus accorded legendary status. I personally think he's a genius, but most kids nowdays probably weren't even born when STJ and the Boys were king of the hill. jae.

Tiger Beer

Joined: 07 Feb 2003

Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2003 1:50 am Post subject:

jaebea wrote:

Yoo Seung Joon is about as popular as SARS, and that's doing SARS a discredit.

He bailed on his country and obtained US citizenship, partly in order to avoid national service. I don't know the full details, and I won't pretend I do, but the general opinion on YSJ the last time I checked amongst my Korean peers was that he was someone who deserted the country that made him a superstar.

*shrug*

SeoTaiji is like, the Nirvana of the Korean music scene. He revolutionised what modern music in Korea sounded like. Created a whole new genre by himself, and is thus accorded legendary status.

I personally think he's a genius, but most kids nowdays probably weren't even born when STJ and the Boys were king of the hill.

jae.

I saw SeoTaiji once on TV and blown away they had anything like that in Korea.. the live concert I saw he looked like the Korean version (complete with bright colored reggae hair) of Jane's Addiction's Perry Farrell.. I became a fan almost immediately. But, well, granted I'm teaching younger kids, but I've yet to meet a fan. Maybe among college students I would..

Are there many following under his footsteps with that genre of music? If anyone is unfamiliar with SeoTaiji, my impression was it came straight from the clubs of L.A. (Janes Addiction, Red Hot Chili Peppers) style. Which is where SeoTaiji is from anyways..

Pretty cool stuff.. just when you think Korea is 'like this' you see something like that come along.. its just not that visible however when you're walking around Seoul. Kind of a vacuum feel to it.

Whats that guy's current story?

little mixed girl

Joined: 11 Jun 2003
Location: shin hyesung's bed~

Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2003 10:34 am Post subject:

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Yaya

Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul

Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2003 12:26 pm Post subject:

Don't forget Jenny Lee and Han Go-eun, both of whom grew up in Los Angeles.

Tiger Beer

Joined: 07 Feb 2003

Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2003 11:08 pm Post subject:

little mixed girl wrote:

Tiger Beer wrote:

brian from fly to the sky is korean-american, drunken tiger, T, sugar's ayumi is korean born in japan, the girl isak from isak & jiyeon is 1/2korean 1/2white, a singer named tim, eric and andy from shinhwa spent a large part of their lives growing up in the states, tony from jtl & hot...
there's a number of korean-americans at least in singing~

Shinwha is huge.. seems like everyone loves them.. defintely the most popular with the younger students I teach..

Sorry, on the music theme.. probably for a different thread.. BUT..

Whats the story with 'Seven".. thats really popular as well..

And why don't people like 'pinkle'? Some scandal or something?

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