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The '88 Olympics: the boxing scandals
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charlieDD



Joined: 16 Jun 2006
Location: Seoul, Korea

PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 3:20 pm    Post subject: The '88 Olympics: the boxing scandals Reply with quote

I noticed some younger folk among the expats in Korea know nothing of this. Thought it might be useful to review; gives you a bit of depth on the Korean protesting culture and victim mindset:

"The South Koreans know how to put on a show. In 1964 the flyweight Choh Dong-kih sat on his ring stool for 51 minutes as a protest after losing. In 1988 the bantamweight Byun Jong-il, later a WBC world champion, sat on the mat in the ring for 67 after losing. The object of Byun's ire was the referee Keith Walker, who was attacked not only by the Korean trainers after the bout but also by one of the Korean guards assigned to protect him."

"Seoul was also where Roy Jones lost to Park Si-hun in the light-middleweight final despite landing 86 blows to 32. Concerns about judging are scarcely helped by such obviously scandalous events as the 1988 Olympics in Seoul, South Korea, when Roy Jones, Jr. somehow lost the middleweight final despite dominating Korean opponent Park Si Hun. The International Olympic Committee officially found no wrongdoing, but the three judges who voted for Park were suspended and accusations of bribery were many and voluble. (Many Koreans are convinced the United States enacted revenge at the 2002 Salt Lake Games when Korean speedskater Kim Dong-Sung was disqualified, handing the 1500 meter gold to American Apolo Anton Ohno).
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mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What I find more sad is I can't find one child who knows the '88 Olympics were held in Seoul.
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rocklee



Joined: 04 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Jones represented the United States at the 1988 Seoul Olympic Games where he won the silver medal. His participation there proved to be controversial when he lost a highly disputed 3-2 decision in the final. Jones lost to South Korean fighter Park Si-Hun, despite pummeling Park for three rounds, landing 86 punches to Park's 32. Allegedly, Park himself apologized to Jones afterwards. One judge shortly thereafter admitted the decision was a mistake, and all three judges voting against Jones were eventually suspended. Most observers still believe the judges were either bribed or otherwise coerced to vote for the local fighter by Korean officials. However, the official IOC investigation concluding in 1997 found that 3 of the judges were wined and dined by Korean officials, but the IOC still officially stands by the decision. Jones was awarded the Val Barker trophy as the best stylistic boxer of the 1988 games. The incident, along with another highly disputed decision against American Michael Carbajal in the same games, led Olympic organizers to establish a new scoring system for Olympic boxing.
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endo



Joined: 14 Mar 2004
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I read about the sit down by the boxer in the 1988 Olympics in the boot The Koreans.


Events like this show ones maturity, and when you represent your nation in a way you reflect the nations maturity.

The South Korean officials or security at the event should have removed the South Korean boxer. He embarassed their nation.



Also supposedly during those same games their was a lot of anti-americanism going on. They booed the American athletes and cheered for the Russians.
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Beej



Joined: 05 Mar 2005
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember that fight. It wasnt even close. Jones completely pummeled the Korean. I felt bad for Jones, but I felt bad for the Korean guy too. He obviously lost in such overwhelming fashion that he could never enjoy his gold medal. A greater man would have refused the gold medal. At least Jones went on to have a successful pro career.

It came out years later that the judges were bribed. One of the judges (east german) admittted to fixing the fight. This was in a book about East Germany after the iron curtain fell. The IOC took note but didnt change any results.
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Beej



Joined: 05 Mar 2005
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

endo wrote:
I read about the sit down by the boxer in the 1988 Olympics in the boot The Koreans.


Events like this show ones maturity, and when you represent your nation in a way you reflect the nations maturity.

The South Korean officials or security at the event should have removed the South Korean boxer. He embarassed their nation.



Also supposedly during those same games their was a lot of anti-americanism going on. They booed the American athletes and cheered for the Russians.


And the Koreans were pissed off at NBC tv (american) for showing the baby Korean boxer sulking in the ring. "How dare you televise our shameful bahavior"..
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Paji eh Wong



Joined: 03 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Olympic boxing has been an open sewer for decades. Korea was an open sewer for decades. Its a hell of a Venn diagram.
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Beej



Joined: 05 Mar 2005
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://youtube.com/watch?v=o0cNugcG6zg&mode=related&search=

Judge for yourselves. Third round was especially brutal. I especially liked how the Korean boxer picked up Jones after stealing the gold medal.
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endo



Joined: 14 Mar 2004
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Beej wrote:
endo wrote:
I read about the sit down by the boxer in the 1988 Olympics in the boot The Koreans.


Events like this show ones maturity, and when you represent your nation in a way you reflect the nations maturity.

The South Korean officials or security at the event should have removed the South Korean boxer. He embarassed their nation.



Also supposedly during those same games their was a lot of anti-americanism going on. They booed the American athletes and cheered for the Russians.


And the Koreans were pissed off at NBC tv (american) for showing the baby Korean boxer sulking in the ring. "How dare you televise our shameful bahavior"..



Yeah, that was funny too.

At least they knew they were acting like idiots. This whole saves face in Asian culture really prevents individuals and nations from growing up. Yes saving face is also exhibited in other cultures including those in the West, but it appears to be more dominant in East Asian ones.
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Thunndarr



Joined: 30 Sep 2003

PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gah, I'm still pissed about that fight.
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SarcasmKills



Joined: 07 Apr 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only thing about those Olympics that pisses me off is that Carl Lewis didn't get booted as well...
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just another day



Joined: 12 Jul 2007
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 10:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah, there was obviously some corrupt officials who bribed the judges. it was a travesty.

but at least park apologized, and the judge admitted to his mistakes/bribery scandal.

mistakes/corruption exists, but the least you can do is make up for it even with a small gesture of words or a hug.

i just wish Paul Hamm or Apolo Ohno did the same. A few words would have gone a long way.
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endo



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 10:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

just another day wrote:
yeah, there was obviously some corrupt officials who bribed the judges. it was a travesty.

but at least park apologized, and the judge admitted to his mistakes/bribery scandal.

mistakes/corruption exists, but the least you can do is make up for it even with a small gesture of words or a hug.

i just wish Paul Hamm or Apolo Ohno did the same. A few words would have gone a long way.


The Apolo incident didn't even compare to the Roy Jones fight. Nice try though.



And since we're talking about apoligises, why haven't the South Korean officials who bribed the officials come out an apoligise?

Park should have gave his gold to Roy Jones. That would have been the right thing to do.
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Hollywoodaction



Joined: 02 Jul 2004

PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 11:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's nothing. You should have seen the Park vs. Downey semi-final match. Park was overwhelmed, so much so that he spent most of the time holding Downey so he wouldn't get hit, and yet he won.
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just another day



Joined: 12 Jul 2007
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 12:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

endo wrote:
just another day wrote:
yeah, there was obviously some corrupt officials who bribed the judges. it was a travesty.

but at least park apologized, and the judge admitted to his mistakes/bribery scandal.

mistakes/corruption exists, but the least you can do is make up for it even with a small gesture of words or a hug.

i just wish Paul Hamm or Apolo Ohno did the same. A few words would have gone a long way.


The Apolo incident didn't even compare to the Roy Jones fight. Nice try though.



And since we're talking about apoligises, why haven't the South Korean officials who bribed the officials come out an apoligise?

Park should have gave his gold to Roy Jones. That would have been the right thing to do.


apolo did a pretty good acting job aftewards and expressed no remorse. but revenge was taken 4 years later Twisted Evil . so thats over now. they all made up, its all good.

paul hamm publically declared that he won the gold. Rolling Eyes (remember, Paul Hamm won over Yang Tae Young because the judges ADDED Yang's score incorrectly) Paul Hamm, for his conduct, at least he was dropped from the wheaties box at least tho.

Roy Jones, altho what was done to him was pretty bad no doubt, was declared the Most Outstanding Fighter of the 88 Olympics by the Korean Olympic Committee. Im glad Roy Jones had a great career after the Olympics.
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