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just4u
Joined: 30 May 2007
Location: Georgia, USA
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 Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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People are going to do what they are going to do.
The world doesn't stop on a dime because other people want them to stop drinking, smoking, having sex, fornicating, lusting after one's own sex, whatever.
Let people do what they want, that way people aren't hiding things. I mean besides the obvious things that hurt others like murder, assaults, etc. I'm talking about self-contained things.
Think about the difference between places like Amsterdam and Saudi Arabia.
Think about the US during the prohibition.
I will never believe in legislated morality.
Nor do I stand in judgement of anyone. |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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They are real words. They're in the dictionary and in common use. Who cares where they came from? The poll could have made more sense and offered more options, IMO, but even as it is currently worded it could have led to an interesting discussion. A debate about whether you or anyone else should "accept" homosexuality is stale and unoriginal. We've all heard the arguments on both sides millions and millions of times, and rehashing them like this was pointless. These discussions offend people, and they make the boards a really unpleasant, unfriendly place for everyone. |
A discussion about the etymology of the words "homophobe" and "homophobic" is quite applicable here, and interesting to me. Seeing as the OP used the word in the poll, a word that has no relative meaning to homosexuality, its etymology was of particular interest.
Opening dialogs is a good thing, even on what seem to be endless topics. Funny Bramble didn't ring in on any of the 15 page Christian bash-fests though. Its fine to bash Christians but not cool to have issues with homosexuality. And there you have the crux of the issue.
Opening dialogs here is the problem....the internet in general.
Now, let's conjure some words, shall we? To throw into the Dave's lexicon.
Christophobe. = Fear of Christ.
Hagwonophobe. = Fear of Hagwon jobs and/or workers. (University elitism)
Uniphobe. = Fear of Uni jobs and/or teachers. (Hagwon envy)
Successophobe. = Fear of seeing success in others.
Happyphobe. = Fear of happiness in others.
Homophobe = Fear of sameness. (Harmony Korine-ism)
Peaceinkoreaphobe = Fear of people who are content in Korea.
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Bramble
Joined: 26 Jan 2007
Location: National treasures need homes
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| Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Demophobe wrote: |
| Bramble wrote: |
They are real words. They're in the dictionary and in common use. Who cares where they came from? The poll could have made more sense and offered more options, IMO, but even as it is currently worded it could have led to an interesting discussion. A debate about whether you or anyone else should "accept" homosexuality is stale and unoriginal. We've all heard the arguments on both sides millions and millions of times, and rehashing them like this was pointless. These discussions offend people, and they make the boards a really unpleasant, unfriendly place for everyone. |
A discussion about the etymology of the words "homophobe" and "homophobic" is quite applicable here, and interesting to me. Seeing as the OP used the word in the poll, a word that has no relative meaning to homosexuality, its etymology was of particular interest.
Opening dialogs is a good thing, even on what seem to be endless topics. Funny Bramble didn't ring in on any of the 15 page Christian bash-fests though. Its fine to bash Christians but not cool to have issues with homosexuality. And there you have the crux of the issue.
Opening dialogs here is the problem....the internet in general.
Now, let's conjure some words, shall we? To throw into the Dave's lexicon.
Christophobe. = Fear of Christ.
Hagwonophobe. = Fear of Hagwon jobs and/or workers. (University elitism)
Uniphobe. = Fear of Uni jobs and/or teachers. (Hagwon envy)
Successophobe. = Fear of seeing success in others.
Happyphobe. = Fear of happiness in others.
Homophobe = Fear of sameness. (Harmony Korine-ism)
Peaceinkoreaphobe = Fear of people who are content in Korea.
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I didn't follow the Christian threads. If they consisted entirely of flaming and contributed nothing to anyone's understanding of the issues, then I agree that they should have been locked or deleted ... better yet, the mods should have kept them on track before they got to that point by jumping in and notifying participants that this or that comment was out of line.
But I have no problem in principle with people saying why they agree or disagree with a particular religion. |
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hugo_danner
Joined: 21 Jun 2006
Location: korea
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| Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 6:29 am Post subject: |
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| "Homophobia" is simply a fag propaganda word! |
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Bramble
Joined: 26 Jan 2007
Location: National treasures need homes
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| Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 6:37 am Post subject: |
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| "Homophobia" is simply a *beep* propaganda word! |
Demophobe said the same thing. I really don't think the mods should let people keep repeating it over and over again. |
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dutchy pink
Joined: 06 Feb 2007
Location: Incheon
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| Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 6:41 am Post subject: |
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Demophobe,
I'm slapping myself in the face for the sheer fact that I am responding to you.
Despite all your "arguments," I'll only take issue with the one directed at the OP.
You are somehow claiming, forgive me if I can't make my way through all the BS you call an argument, that since the word "homophobic" means, literally, a fear of homosexuals, it has no relevance and does not actually make any meaningful statement?
No, I don't think you are afraid of homosexuals leaping out of dark alleys and stealing your money. But, Please, turn your brain on for just a little bit.
You have heard phrases such as, 'letting the cat out of the bag", "not my cup of tea" 'cat's got your tongue?" right?
You obviously take them at their socially constructed meaning. . You know what they mean. You know what homophobic means.
So claiming Homophobia doesn't exist because the word doesn't exist, is well Demophobic.
You say, "I'm interested in where these words came from." I say BS.
Ask me where homophobic came from. Ask me where "letting the cat out of the bag" came from.
You are just reaching for something since you got nothing else to reach for. |
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sojourner1
Joined: 17 Apr 2007
Location: Where meggi swim and 2 wheeled tractors go sput put chug alugg pug pug
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| Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 6:42 am Post subject: |
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| Well, when I see 2 men kissing, I gross out. I never saw this in Korea, but it is commonly seen in America and Europe. I am not out to hate on people, but I hate it how so many sick men hit on other men in aggressive and demanding ways. So many younger dudes have to contend with older men hitting on them which is annoying as %&*. Often, when a strange solo man stares, I can't tell if he is thinking to cause me trouble or is just lusting to lick a straight straight dude off. Sick feelings when it comes to this sort of thing I tell you... |
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dutchy pink
Joined: 06 Feb 2007
Location: Incheon
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| Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 6:50 am Post subject: |
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| sojourner, I think you are flattering yourself. I could be wrong, but i think when "they' ( those sick men) stare at you, they are probably thinking of causing you harm rather than hitting on you. just a hunch. |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 9:09 am Post subject: |
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| dutchy pink wrote: |
Demophobe,
I'm slapping myself in the face for the sheer fact that I am responding to you. |
"slapping" 
| dutchy pink wrote: |
| You are somehow claiming, forgive me if I can't make my way through all the BS you call an argument, that since the word "homophobic" means, literally, a fear of homosexuals, it has no relevance and does not actually make any meaningful statement? |
The word does not mean "fear of homosexuals" and if it did, it's not fear that I have. I would characterize it more as aversion.
| dutchy pink wrote: |
No, I don't think you are afraid of homosexuals leaping out of dark alleys and stealing your money. But, Please, turn your brain on for just a little bit.
You have heard phrases such as, 'letting the cat out of the bag", "not my cup of tea" 'cat's got your tongue?" right?
You obviously take them at their socially constructed meaning. . You know what they mean. You know what homophobic means. |
So now "homophobic" is an idiom? A colloquialism? A dialect even? I have to take it at its socially constructed meaning? Why is that? I don't believe it was socially constructed. Engineered may be a better term and by a segment of society, but hardly a majority. I surmise that if new words were instituted into the language through votes, the word "homophobe" never would have made it. Not only is it semantically obscure but is outright misleading in its representation.
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| So claiming Homophobia doesn't exist because the word doesn't exist, is well Demophobic. |
Cute. 
"homophobia" = fear of gays? I would speculate that the feelings homosexuality inspires in those who the few would incorrectly call "fearful", would more accurately be interpreted as disgusted, abhorred, nauseated, repulsed, bothered, disturbed or any other number of words weak and strong, but "fearful" wouldn't appear on many lists.
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You say, "I'm interested in where these words came from." I say BS.
Ask me where homophobic came from. Ask me where "letting the cat out of the bag" came from. |
The latter is an idiom, not a word. I have no interest in idioms. The collection of letters "homophobia"? I have discussed both the etymology of the two words actually there and where I believe the origins of their wrongful coupling (sweet!) were.
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| You are just reaching for something since you got nothing else to reach for. |
"reaching" "reach" |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 9:11 am Post subject: |
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| dutchy pink wrote: |
| sojourner, I think you are flattering yourself. I could be wrong, but i think when "they' ( those sick men) stare at you, they are probably thinking of causing you harm rather than hitting on you. just a hunch. |
Based on....?
I see no difference in the overall intention of the men in your interpretation or in sojourner's.
Think before you reply to that. |
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Tony_Balony
Joined: 12 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 9:29 am Post subject: |
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the word is "homodysphilic"
i'm not sure if it means dislike of homos
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dislike of homosexuality |
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JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 9:36 am Post subject: |
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| Demophobe wrote: |
| dutchy pink wrote: |
| sojourner, I think you are flattering yourself. I could be wrong, but i think when "they' ( those sick men) stare at you, they are probably thinking of causing you harm rather than hitting on you. just a hunch. |
Based on....?
I see no difference in the overall intention of the men in your interpretation or in sojourner's.
Think before you reply to that. |
I love this. Why do some guys think homosexuals are out to f*ck them? Its a wierd form of vanity. Maybe you would like it Demo even if it did cause you harm. If only I could edit the bible a tad. |
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Grimalkin
Joined: 22 May 2005
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| Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 3:02 pm Post subject: |
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| JMO wrote: |
| Demophobe wrote: |
| dutchy pink wrote: |
| sojourner, I think you are flattering yourself. I could be wrong, but i think when "they' ( those sick men) stare at you, they are probably thinking of causing you harm rather than hitting on you. just a hunch. |
Based on....?
I see no difference in the overall intention of the men in your interpretation or in sojourner's.
Think before you reply to that. |
I love this. Why do some guys think homosexuals are out to f*ck them? Its a wierd form of vanity. Maybe you would like it Demo even if it did cause you harm. If only I could edit the bible a tad. |
Probably judging by their own creepy intentions when they look at women! |
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dutchy pink
Joined: 06 Feb 2007
Location: Incheon
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| Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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Ok Demophobe, You choose the correct term to describe what eveybody knows we're talking about except you. I'll admit, from the etymological standpoint, the word is not that great, but if you'r choosing to base your argument, whatever it may be, on this, that's just sad and childish. It's like somebody just got a dictionary for christmas.
So what's a better word? |
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Tony_Balony
Joined: 12 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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Demophobe - you don't do yourself any good arguing with bible proof. Use the secular arguments.
Gays are collection of bitter and vindicative people.
Gays are narcissistic. The whole gays rights movement is about them being the focus of attention.
Work against Gay rights because we don't need or want to create another self annointed ex slave class in the US that will demand the right to lecture everyone during Gay History Month.
There is no proof that Gays or Lesbians have ever entered into long term relationships becuase they have never been able to get married.
Gay marriage isn't about getting married, its about collecting a faux civil rights milestone to celebrate during Gay History Month indoctrinations.
Tell them I'm not interested in their homosexuals can get married can't have babies, can adopt babies, how to get divorced spriral of narcissim.
Its just not worth the time. |
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