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[enns]

I figured I would post this because I haven't seen it mentioned much in the mainstream media and it is important in the climate change debate. I hear over and over again from people that 1998 is the hottest year on record, which of course isn't true.

[sundubuman]

Of course you won;t see this on the mainstream media, they are way too busy building their rag-tag coalition to get into power in 08.

If global warming is proven to be the utter fabrication/delusion that more and more scientists are telling us it is, the Democrats loose the 'fire in the belly' of 2 of their most crucial coalition groups, the young (and naive) and the environmentalists (also naive).

[sundubuman]

Here's something else that will most likely be limited to Fox..

the TRUTH that we can't even measure global temperatures accurately!

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,292810,00.html


As NASA�s alarmist-in-chief James Hansen admits, we have no definition of what we are trying to measure in the context of average global temperature. �For the global mean, the most trusted models produce a value of roughly 57.2 degrees Fahrenheit, but it may easily be anywhere between 56 and 58 degrees Fahrenheit and regionally, let alone locally, the situation is even worse,� says Hansen.

For a dimmer view of the concept of average global temperature, consider the thoughts of renowned theoretical physicist Freeman Dyson who says that average land temperature is �impossible to measure� is a fiction� nobody knows what it is� there�s no way you can measure it.�

[On the other hand]

Hmm. The Toronto Star and FOX News both pushing the same line on a global warming story. Interesting tag team.

[sundubuman]

By the way, the same article also posits an entirely new theory (for me) about the warming in the Arctic- that it might be caused by increased soot emissions from China. Which reminds me of stories my family would tell of black snow in the industrial areas of the Midwest/Northeast as late as the 60's.

Black snow, or even slightly sooty snow would certainly absorb more of the suns heat, would it not?

Oh but that's not nearly as much fun as blaming evil Republican Texas oilmen and Americans in big cars for Polar Bears drowning......


here's another interesting site related to the issue

http://www.demanddebate.com/

[On the other hand]

As someone who has no political or emotional connections to the environmental movement, and really couldn't care less whether global warming is proven or disproven, I do have to say...

It strikes me as somewhat unlikely that all the chemicals that have been pumped into the air since at least the industrial revolution would not be having some sort of long-term impact on the atmosphere. Whether it's precisely the impact that global-warming proponents claim, I don't know, but I'm pretty sure that something is happening up there.

[sundubuman]

Sure there must be some impact, but there is no possible way for us to understand what that impact is with anything approaching the certainty that the Global Warming Church rails about.

And the scariest aspect to the Global Warming Religion is their advocating for a planet-wide governmental-control of all energy and development.


check out the following article on soot from China-
http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/sep2002/2002-09-27-06.asp

Here's an example of the potential danger of the Global Warming Church...if soot is actually responsible for the dramatic changes in weather patterns in the Pacific area, Chinese actually moving towards more carbon-intensive heating and cooking (electric and gas) might actually improve the environment through a massive reduction in soot emissions.

However, the Global Warming Church does not allow debate on the science. Any modern Galileo is sure to be kicked out of the Church....