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desultude

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf
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Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 4:21 am Post subject: |
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| ceesgetdegrees wrote: |
| WOW can't wait for installment 2 of how 60 year old american woman handles living in a country where her gender/nationality/age are all a source of dominance entitlement/hatred/amusement for the locals. |
FYI, 59. But who is counting.
My grandsons think it is a great idea.
Besides, it is only different in a matter of degree from Korea. Most Koreans I met over 50 thought they were ready to hang it up. The age consciousness in Korea is unbelievable. Americans aren't popular anywhere (and may be less unpopular in general in the Kingdom, as the U.S. government is their strong ally, though, of course, that makes up more hated by some there ). And being a woman in Korea is no picnic.
In Saudi Arabia the male and female worlds are pretty well separate. I will be working with women and teaching women. My contact with men will be with western men in the compound. |
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desultude

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf
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Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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I tried to click on to this thread, after I got a message that there had been a reply, and I got a Dave's message saying the thread did not not exist.
The topic or post you requested does not exist
Am I getting censored even before I get to the mid east?
Well, the thread is still here, so no worries. But I think it may have been "trimmed".
A funny conversation with my sister today- She was totally cool when I told her that I was going to Saudi Arabia, but when I told her that I was driving into New Orleans today, she freaked out and told me it was way too dangerous!!!!
I went, it wasn't dangerous, just heartbreaking. It looks like Katrina hit a month ago. |
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Tiger Beer

Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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| desultude wrote: |
A funny conversation with my sister today- She was totally cool when I told her that I was going to Saudi Arabia, but when I told her that I was driving into New Orleans today, she freaked out and told me it was way too dangerous!!!!
I went, it wasn't dangerous, just heartbreaking. It looks like Katrina hit a month ago. |
Looking forward to the Saudi updates...but as this is Des' Adventure thread...New Orleans fits in well.
How were the people there? See many people around? I heard that the construction jobs that exist are predominately Mexican and Latinos...and the demographics are changing in New Orleans. Is that apparent at all?
Did you also go down to the French Quarter? |
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desultude

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf
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Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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It is hard to get a sense of the demographics when just passing through. I saw a lot of anglos and blacks working, as well as Latinos. The Bush administration pushed through an "emergency" exception to the prevailing wage laws, so I imagine some of the jobs would only appeal to poor immigrants. Up until quite recently Florida has been begging for constrution workers. I would imagine there would be real demand for skilled workers, and the unskilled workers would be paid poorly. I would be surprised if a skilled white guy couldn't make a good living there.
I am sure the demographics are changing in terms of the black population. Their housing was destroyed, and no one seems in a hurry to fix that. After the storm the old guard in New Orleans were making blueprints for a much more sanitized, upscale New Orleans. Read "white".
There was a lot of work going on, but it still looked like Katrina happened last month. It was pretty eerie. In St. Bernard Parish, there were rows of empty working class houses with the occasional FEMA trailer. Two years later!
In this picture there is a proud fountain, with a hunk of carpeting and busted light. Behind it is the slab for the former house, and behind it the ubiquitous trailer. There was mile after mile of this along the Gulf coast water front.
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desultude

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf
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Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 1:48 am Post subject: |
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Well, I am week one into my adventure in the magic Kingdom.
Mostly things are great- including a spectacular villa. It makes up for my days in the storage box at Kiemyung.
Most everyone here is mature and has a lot of teaching experience in the Middle East. I think the "no alcohol, no dating" aspect of the Kingdom sorts out the party animals. But Bahrain is only an hour away, so those of us who like a bit of alcohol and entertainment can go there on weekends.
The separation of men and women is pretty absolute. I am in Al Kobar, which is supposed to be the liberal part of Saudi Arabia, and abayas are still necessary. I ventured into the men's parking lot yesterday to get a ride home with a male colleague (women are not allowed to drive here) and I seem to have caused quite a stir. Security came running, and a lot of men were watching from the entrance of the building, from behind the windows.
Three men faculty members were being escorted by me into the women's campus, and a few Saudi women were caught by surprise and screamed and threw their scarves over their faces and ran. The men are really not supposed to see women.
You may not take a picture of a woman, or speak her name in public.
So, it is an adventure and a really interesting experience. And very sandy. |
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Alyallen

Joined: 29 Mar 2004 Location: The 4th Greatest Place on Earth = Jeonju!!!
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Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 2:26 am Post subject: |
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Damn, D!
You probably have far more guts than I ever will! I am somewhat curious to go there. I could probably wear the whole head to toe covering and no one would know I wasn't Arab or White....That would be interesting...
Best of luck and keep us posted! |
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desultude

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf
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Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 8:35 am Post subject: |
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| Alyallen wrote: |
Damn, D!
You probably have far more guts than I ever will! I am somewhat curious to go there. I could probably wear the whole head to toe covering and no one would know I wasn't Arab or White....That would be interesting...
Best of luck and keep us posted! |
Thanks. But my family would probably call it something besides courage.
We should wear the abaya, but we don't have to wear the head gear in Al Kobar. However, we need to always carry it in public, just in case. There are religious police, and they can make you put it on- but I haven't heard of that here in Al Kobar. The abaya is a neck to foot, and wrist, gown. It is black in Saudi Arabia, but the women have found ingenious ways to glam it up- embroidery and gems and stuff. It is worn over street clothes, and you can remove it on the women's campus.
I think the only thing that should stop someone is the social factor- no drinking, dancing, dating, etc. The jobs are good and pay well.
I'm not into this "which is better, Korea or the Middle East" thing. It was a hard choice for me, both have their pluses and minuses , but I opted for a new adventure and a new base camp from which to travel. |
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