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JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu
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 Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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Is mad cow disease really that serious in this context? How many cases of CJD have there been in Korea or America for that matter?
I expect that there are other reasons than mad cow disease for this ban.
joke..
cow 1: Dude, I'm really worried about this mad cow disease, it's out of control
cow 2: i'm not worried, I'm a helicopter. |
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just another day
Joined: 12 Jul 2007
Location: Living with the Alaskan Inuits!!
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| Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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Is mad cow disease really that serious in this context? How many cases of CJD have there been in Korea or America for that matter?
I expect that there are other reasons than mad cow disease for this ban.
joke..
cow 1: Dude, I'm really worried about this mad cow disease, it's out of control
cow 2: i'm not worried, I'm a helicopter. |
sure. the cow farmers in korea have much to lose. much like farmers in both korea and us want to keep cheap china produce OUT.
generally in every country, farmers are a HUGE voting block that use lobbying in US, but public sympathy in Korea. generally when people have something to lose financially they get very defensive.
Altho market principles would say that a better product (mad cow tested beef that is 10 cents higher per pound) would be the best solution, there are political forces that are shutting knowledge of this option out from BOTH Korea and America, but I would say it is more on America's side because there are reasons that American mad cow testing is below that of Europe or Japan or even Australia (i believe)
the way I would structure this knowledge is to short or go long call options on American beef companies that adhere to mad cow testing standards depending on my knowledge of the political process in place. *disclaimer, the poster no longer invests in the stock market because of distaste of volatility and wanting a chiller lifestyle* |
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JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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| just another day wrote: |
sure. the cow farmers in korea have much to lose. much like farmers in both korea and us want to keep cheap china produce OUT.
generally in every country, farmers are a HUGE voting block that use lobbying in US, but public sympathy in Korea. generally when people have something to lose financially they get very defensive.
Altho market principles would say that a better product (mad cow tested beef that is 10 cents higher per pound) would be the best solution, there are political forces that are shutting knowledge of this option out from BOTH Korea and America, but I would say it is more on America's side because there are reasons that American mad cow testing is below that of Europe or Japan or even Australia (i believe) |
I agree except on the testing thing as I don't know anything about it. i think however it would be good for the korean people if cheaper beef came in. It looks to me like mad cow disease has been used as an excuse.
How do you know american stock isn't tested as well as other countries?
I personally would be pissed if irish farmers/our government made produce/food more expensive by limiting the amount coming in. Why are the korean public so sympathetic to farmers? They are making you pay more for food.
If american beef is not as well tested would it be fair to say that there should be higher numbers of CJD cases? Obviosuly this would have be per capita due to different populations. |
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just another day
Joined: 12 Jul 2007
Location: Living with the Alaskan Inuits!!
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| Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 11:33 pm Post subject: |
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| just another day wrote: |
sure. the cow farmers in korea have much to lose. much like farmers in both korea and us want to keep cheap china produce OUT.
generally in every country, farmers are a HUGE voting block that use lobbying in US, but public sympathy in Korea. generally when people have something to lose financially they get very defensive.
Altho market principles would say that a better product (mad cow tested beef that is 10 cents higher per pound) would be the best solution, there are political forces that are shutting knowledge of this option out from BOTH Korea and America, but I would say it is more on America's side because there are reasons that American mad cow testing is below that of Europe or Japan or even Australia (i believe) |
I agree except on the testing thing as I don't know anything about it. i think however it would be good for the korean people if cheaper beef came in. It looks to me like mad cow disease has been used as an excuse.
How do you know american stock isn't tested as well as other countries?
I personally would be pissed if irish farmers/our government made produce/food more expensive by limiting the amount coming in. Why are the korean public so sympathetic to farmers? They are making you pay more for food.
If american beef is not as well tested would it be fair to say that there should be higher numbers of CJD cases? Obviosuly this would have be per capita due to different populations. |
well, im not sure about ireland, (btw, there is a morrisey movement in Los Angeles  ) but right now there is a pretty huge backlash against products made in china right now, specifically the produce.
about american testing standards, here is a link.
http://www.organicconsumers.org/meat/don'tlook.cfm
also, CJD takes about 5-10 years to develop, and currently there are lots of "conspiracy" theories in the US about CJD cases in the US being covered up for other types of diseases. Either way, a lot of people I talk to, especially the butchers in Whole Foods Market in the US say that buying organic beef trend is pretty huge in the US right now. Usually better educated consumers in the US go to Whole Foods Market, because it is a higher income population that has more access to the internet.
I can't say that farming sentiment has a wider influence in Korea than it does in China or the US, (china recently declared the "nuclear option" of treasuries if US bans Chinese produce) but it definitely is an influence. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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| just another day wrote: |
disclaimer, the poster no longer invests in the stock market because of distaste of volatility and wanting a chiller lifestyle* |
Well, that and she
1) never did and
2) it would interfere with her/his wonderland teaching duties imneda |
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JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 11:51 pm Post subject: |
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| just another day wrote: |
well, im not sure about ireland, (btw, there is a morrisey movement in Los Angeles ) but right now there is a pretty huge backlash against products made in china right now, specifically the produce.
about american testing standards, here is a link.
http://www.organicconsumers.org/meat/don'tlook.cfm
also, CJD takes about 5-10 years to develop, and currently there are lots of "conspiracy" theories in the US about CJD cases in the US being covered up for other types of diseases. Either way, a lot of people I talk to, especially the butchers in Whole Foods Market in the US say that buying organic beef trend is pretty huge in the US right now. Usually better educated consumers in the US go to Whole Foods Market, because it is a higher income population that has more access to the internet.
I can't say that farming sentiment has a wider influence in Korea than it does in China or the US, (china recently declared the "nuclear option" of treasuries if US bans Chinese produce) but it definitely is an influence. |
I don't believe in conspiracy theories. Is buying organic everything not a huge trend in america right now?
In general i think that organic food is as safe as normal food, much like bottled water and tap water. |
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ryanbonner
Joined: 23 Aug 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 11:53 pm Post subject: |
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| i think everyone is missing the point here, which is that American beef is so darn delicious. I would eat it even if there was a 50 percent shot of getting mad cow. And I think most Koreans would agree. |
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just another day
Joined: 12 Jul 2007
Location: Living with the Alaskan Inuits!!
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| Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 12:03 am Post subject: |
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| JMO wrote: |
| just another day wrote: |
well, im not sure about ireland, (btw, there is a morrisey movement in Los Angeles ) but right now there is a pretty huge backlash against products made in china right now, specifically the produce.
about american testing standards, here is a link.
http://www.organicconsumers.org/meat/don'tlook.cfm
also, CJD takes about 5-10 years to develop, and currently there are lots of "conspiracy" theories in the US about CJD cases in the US being covered up for other types of diseases. Either way, a lot of people I talk to, especially the butchers in Whole Foods Market in the US say that buying organic beef trend is pretty huge in the US right now. Usually better educated consumers in the US go to Whole Foods Market, because it is a higher income population that has more access to the internet.
I can't say that farming sentiment has a wider influence in Korea than it does in China or the US, (china recently declared the "nuclear option" of treasuries if US bans Chinese produce) but it definitely is an influence. |
I don't believe in conspiracy theories. Is buying organic everything not a huge trend in america right now?
In general i think that organic food is as safe as normal food, much like bottled water and tap water. |
yes, a lot of people think that way too. yeah, buying everything organic is a huge trend in the US right now. Even England as well, it seems.
http://victoriadavidbeckham.blogspot.com/2007/07/victoria-beckham-shopping-at-whole.html
Here is a photo of Victoria Beckham shopping at Whole Foods Market in England.
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Whole Foods Market Shoppers Can Continue to Buy Meat with Confidence
Leading Natural and Organic Foods Supermarket's Natural Meat is Raised to Taste Better and is Monitored Every Step of the Way Ensuring No Mad Cow Risk
Austin, Texas � June 27, 2005. Due to recent news about Mad Cow Disease (Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy or BSE), Whole Foods Market reminds shoppers they can continue to shop its meat departments with confidence as stringent quality standards ensure the meat sold at the leading natural and organic foods supermarket is not at risk of this disease. For 25 years, shoppers have trusted Whole Foods Market's commitment to the best-tasting natural beef, and the company's global quality standards and processes ensure that Mad Cow Disease poses no risk as: |
http://www.wholefoodsmarket.com/company/pr_06-27-05.html
blurb from whole foods market about mad cow disease. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 12:08 am Post subject: |
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JAD is a troll. Claims to be in "finance" but misses the basics. Writes like a Korean until called out, and which point his writing becomes readable and very native-like.
I'm sure he is just some hakwon type in Korea trying to have a little fun.
Ain't ya? |
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just another day
Joined: 12 Jul 2007
Location: Living with the Alaskan Inuits!!
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| Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 12:11 am Post subject: |
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JAD is a troll. Claims to be in "finance" but misses the basics. Writes like a Korean until called out, and which point his writing becomes readable and very native-like.
I'm sure he is just some hakwon type in Korea trying to have a little fun.
Ain't ya? |
where did you get the speed?
are u a recovering addict? sometimes sweating profusely makes one's fat cells that have previous storage of methamphetamines come back out and into the bloodstream. |
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just another day
Joined: 12 Jul 2007
Location: Living with the Alaskan Inuits!!
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| Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 12:13 am Post subject: |
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I understand you are confused. Don't worry, I've seen it many times. Generally you feel a relief of tension but hysteria will set in again. |
i would like some credit for predicting the future. Its hard to be this good.  |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 12:22 am Post subject: |
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| Hey, it is 2am in LA. Don't you have to be at your "finance" job in 6 hours? Or, are you on break at a hakwon in Nowon? |
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just another day
Joined: 12 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 12:26 am Post subject: |
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| Hey, it is 2am in LA. Don't you have to be at your "finance" job in 6 hours? Or, are you on break at a hakwon in Nowon? |
LOL
I have lost quite a bit of productivity at work since I met dave's ESL. Fortunately I am leaving soon and starting at another firm soon. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 12:27 am Post subject: |
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| just another day wrote: |
| BJWD wrote: |
| Hey, it is 2am in LA. Don't you have to be at your "finance" job in 6 hours? Or, are you on break at a hakwon in Nowon? |
LOL
I have lost quite a bit of productivity at work since I met dave's ESL. Fortunately I am leaving soon and starting at another firm soon. |
As in, leaving work soon? Morning shift at the hakwon eh? |
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just another day
Joined: 12 Jul 2007
Location: Living with the Alaskan Inuits!!
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| Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 12:29 am Post subject: |
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| just another day wrote: |
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| Hey, it is 2am in LA. Don't you have to be at your "finance" job in 6 hours? Or, are you on break at a hakwon in Nowon? |
LOL
I have lost quite a bit of productivity at work since I met dave's ESL. Fortunately I am leaving soon and starting at another firm soon. |
As in, leaving work soon? Morning shift at the hakwon eh? |
jeez. you are something else. 
here, i will let you in on a secret of mine. I like talking to crazy people.
btw, yes, I have learned to survive on 6 hours of sleep. |
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