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dutchy pink
Joined: 06 Feb 2007 Location: Incheon
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Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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Tony,
Can I ask, What are you talking about?
You, most likely, have never had more than a 2 minute exchange with a gay person.
Your little statement that there is no proof any gays have not had a long term relationship because they can't get married, is, simply put, moronic.
Do you have any idea what this debate is even about? |
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Tony_Balony

Joined: 12 Apr 2007
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Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, I have good gay friends that is until I went to one of their awful parties. I had a government job where I worked with plenty of homosexual people. Its best to know them superficially, as they start to annoy soon after.
I can remove the Bible and the sex references and I'm still left with plenty of material to be annoyed.
Gays have never been able to be married, this excludes proof that gays have been in long term married relationships. Shaking up and being married are two very different things. You won't be able to make this claim for at least 20 years. In the meantime, things don't look good for the ones that are getting married. The statistics aren't good so far. |
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dutchy pink
Joined: 06 Feb 2007 Location: Incheon
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Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 11:54 pm Post subject: |
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What statistics?
Are you perusing Gay Home and Gardens in your free time?
Is this "fact" in reference to the extraordinary success rate of heterosexual marraiges?
Yes, we will have to wait 20 years before we can know anything about gay relationships, since 1997 was the first documented case of two people of the same sex ever being in love.
Are you serious?
I ask again, What are you talking about?
You make less than no sense. |
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JMO

Joined: 18 Jul 2006 Location: Daegu
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Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 12:03 am Post subject: |
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| Tony does stray into the realm of the minus sense on a regular basis. |
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Tony_Balony

Joined: 12 Apr 2007
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Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 1:26 am Post subject: |
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Same-sex marriage pioneers separate
~Via Yahoo News
BOSTON - The lesbian couple whose lawsuit led to legal same-sex marriage in Massachusetts have announced they have separated.
"Julie and Hillary Goodridge are amicably living apart," Mary Breslauer, a local political consultant, said Thursday night on their behalf. Breslauer declined to comment on how long they had been separated or whether the couple planned to divorce.
The Goodridges were among seven gay couples whose lawsuit helped thrust Massachusetts into the center of a nationwide debate on gay marriage. The state's Supreme Judicial Court issued its narrow 4-3 ruling in November 2003 in their favor — saying gays and lesbians had a right under the state constitution to wed.
The Goodridges were married May 17, 2004, the first day same-sex marriages became legal under the court ruling, by a Unitarian Universalist minister. Their daughter, Annie, now 10, served as ring-bearer and flower girl.
Now, Breslauer said, for Annie's sake, the Goodridges want privacy
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Tony_Balony

Joined: 12 Apr 2007
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Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 1:34 am Post subject: |
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4. Canada's First Gay Divorce
Canada's first gay marriage divorce was filed by one of the first gay couples to be married in Ontario. The couple was married a week after same-sex marriage was legalized in Ontario. They had been together for five years but separated five days after their wedding day.
Divorce laws had not been amended by that time to apply to same-sex couples, and still referred to spouses as 'a man and a woman who are married to each other.' The court had to defer the case until the Canadian Supreme Court ruled on the legality of gay marriages nationwide. |
Why did these people get married? |
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dutchy pink
Joined: 06 Feb 2007 Location: Incheon
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Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 1:44 am Post subject: |
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Tony, really, you are too much.
Are your parents together?
2 couples get divorced and that is your proof. From yahoo news.
debating you on this subject takes away from any would-be seriousness that this subject might provoke.
Kindly remove yourself from this debate/topic/forum. |
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Tony_Balony

Joined: 12 Apr 2007
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Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 2:06 am Post subject: |
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I'm trying to resarch this matter and I want to use info from homo websites since you'll disregard information from conservative sources "just because" so I go to Gay sites and I have to look at butt plug advertisements. Thats so Gay.
You know what? The best evidence I have Mr. Garrison on South Park.
First he's twisted, then he's a pervert, then he comes out and we have to watch a ep of him coming out, then an ep of him having a sex change operation and then another ep of him coming out as a lesbian. Stan said it best. He just sighed and said "Again?".
Im not going through this again. I don't want to be drawn into your self absorbtion. I went through this before and its as lame as it was last time.
you can look in the mirror some more if you want but its not for me.
I'm out - have a good debate. |
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dutchy pink
Joined: 06 Feb 2007 Location: Incheon
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Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 4:03 am Post subject: |
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shantaram

Joined: 10 Apr 2007
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Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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I cannot believe the ignorance I have read on this thread.
Maybe the poll should have a fourth and a fifth option,
4) No, but I'm better than they are,
5) No, but I like to make ignorant statements about them. |
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Demophobe

Joined: 17 May 2004
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Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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Ok Demophobe, You choose the correct term to describe what eveybody knows we're talking about except you. I'll admit, from the etymological standpoint, the word is not that great, but if you'r choosing to base your argument, whatever it may be, on this, that's just sad and childish. It's like somebody just got a dictionary for christmas.
So what's a better word? |
The word, like the idea, receives no validation (in the form of recognition) from me. I won't acknowledge an engineered word that makes all who don't support homosexuality somehow wrong, because they aren't. You have made us your strawmen. (and strawwomen, of course) I said the word was poorly engineered; from an etymological point of view it is awful, but from a purely sociological perspective it seems to have been quite helpful to you; nobody wants to be seen as fearful; you have given people the choice: be somehow cowardly or embrace homosexuality.
No thanks. I am in no way "scared" or "fearful" of what gays do, represent or say.
Lets instead focus on the homosexuals' need for validation from the rest of the population; their demand that we give them legal, social and moral license to engage in what many of those being demanded of see as the opposite. Though, to be fair, many people have fallen prey to your engineering; they have outwardly 'accepted' homosexuality, but I suspect that their internal dialog is incongruent with their words.
So with that in mind, lets let non-gays be "people", like they always were, and gays be "gay people". As for their non-acceptance, if you must have a word to refer to "us" as, on top of everything else you ask of "people", (apparently phrases are out of the question? "people exercising the same freewill the gays are" or "people who don't validate gays" seem succinct) I think that is your job.
Do it yourself, but make sure it isn't just propaganda; futhering your agenda at my expense by making me look like a bad person for not embracing your sexual persuasion.
A benign word you can use for a guy like me; one that won't offend my sensibilities (I am after all, not offending yours. I carry no placard, I wave no banners, call you no names and I do nothing to deny you your right to choose as you will, though I won't do anything to promote your choice either), so you think of a word.
Consider it a challenge for your group. I wait expectantly.
@ shazamatramian: poll option 6: I just got up. |
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shantaram

Joined: 10 Apr 2007
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Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Demophobe, I have thought about this for a couple of days (and read about homophobia on Wikipedia- is that cheating?) and I think you are right to say it's wrong to label all people who don't like or won't tolerate homosexuality as homophobic. There is a spectrum of opinions on the topic. If you accept that there is a phobia of homosexuality (which I and many others call homophobia), you can see that people display that attitude on this board frequently. For example, the person who threatened to break his friend's hand for placing it on his knee. You're right I think in saying that there are straight people who put up a facade of tolerating gays but underneath it have different opinions. They make very uncomfortable friendships with gays in my experience. I think that when it comes to friendships, it's better for people to say what they think and get it off their chest, otherwise what's the point in being friends? I also think that gay culture could do with some pointers. In order to become more assimilated into society, it needs to listen to criticism from others, and not write everything negative off as homophobia. There is too much negative criticism unfortunately, and it can be stultifying. I have rather a negative opinion of some posters on this board as a result of reading their remarks. Some remarks are homophobic, some ignorant, some plain offensive. I think you are making an intelligent point Demophobe. I don't agree with your opinion, you don't agree with homosexuality, no hard feelings (did I just say that?) |
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Demophobe

Joined: 17 May 2004
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Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 2:27 am Post subject: |
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shantaram: No hard feelings. Of course, this is the net...as real as a dream. You have every right to take issue with me still; I was anything but articulate in this matter until now. I was making vague generalities and being provocative for no.good.reason. at all.
Your post was as refreshing a break as mine; both of us were engaging in poop-throwing and while it is entertaining, it perpetuates the idea that no productive discussion can emanate from Dave's. So, for me, this is closed. There were some great posts by many folks, so that was nice.
We agree to disagree. A gentleman and a scholar.
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Grimalkin

Joined: 22 May 2005
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Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 3:23 am Post subject: |
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American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source ho�mo�pho�bi�a (hō'mə-fō'bē-ə) Pronunciation Key
n.
Fear of or contempt for lesbians and gay men.
Behavior based on such a feeling.
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Hey demophobe if the shoe fits....why wimp out?
Don't give us all that "I don't agree with the etymology..."cr@p. Embrace your inner bigot. The "I think homosexuals are bad people but I'm not prejudiced against them" doesn't really wash. You're not fooling anyone! |
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Yesterday

Joined: 15 Aug 2003 Location: Land of the Morning DongChim (Kancho)
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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 1:54 am Post subject: |
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| Back years ago in Psychology - we learnt that people who suffered from "homophobia" were MOST LIKELY - "gay" themselves - but living in denial ........... |
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