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Which martial art is overall more effective when learned?
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Karate
5%
 5%  [ 4 ]
Kung Fu (including tai chi)
18%
 18%  [ 13 ]
Tae Kwan Do
7%
 7%  [ 5 ]
something else
68%
 68%  [ 47 ]
Total Votes : 69

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pest2



Joined: 01 Jun 2005
Location: Vancouver, Canada

PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 3:55 am    Post subject: Which martial art is overall more effective when learned? Reply with quote

My fiance says kung fu. But she came from China, originally. All my students of course say tae kwan do. Ninjas and Karate seem pretty cool. I tried to learn Karate when I was a kid, but I am too clumsy and inflexible so I never got really good...
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pidgin



Joined: 31 Jul 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 6:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd go with classical Jujistu or Brazilian Jujitsu personally.

BTW: I don't believe Tai Chi is going to defend anyone or hurt anyone. Wink
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excitinghead



Joined: 18 Jul 2005

PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 6:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know anything at all about either, but according to an ex-flatmate who was quite an expert, Muay Thai is one of the best. I (or he rather) may be completely wrong, but he told me its all about making your legs as hard as possible to withstand pain in them. To prove his point, he loved telling me about a 5 Korean Tae-kwon-do guys versus 5 Muay Thai Thai guys mini-competition that was held once, which was supposed to be 5 successive one-on-ones, but the first Thai guy kicked the Korean guy's ass so convincingly that he challenged the next Korean guy too...and ended up winning against all 5 of them.

Don't know if any of all that's true, thought I'd pass it on. I'd be interested if anyone who knows anything about it can confirm or deny the anecdote?
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doggyji



Joined: 21 Feb 2006
Location: Toronto - Hamilton - Vineland - St. Catherines

PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 6:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

excitinghead wrote:
I don't know anything at all about either, but according to an ex-flatmate who was quite an expert, Muay Thai is one of the best. I (or he rather) may be completely wrong, but he told me its all about making your legs as hard as possible to withstand pain in them. To prove his point, he loved telling me about a 5 Korean Tae-kwon-do guys versus 5 Muay Thai Thai guys mini-competition that was held once, which was supposed to be 5 successive one-on-ones, but the first Thai guy kicked the Korean guy's ass so convincingly that he challenged the next Korean guy too...and ended up winning against all 5 of them.

Don't know if any of all that's true, thought I'd pass it on. I'd be interested if anyone who knows anything about it can confirm or deny the anecdote?
Even if the story's true, you don't know if it's the untalented athletes or the martial art itself. This Turkish fighter based on TKD kicks and some boxing skills (or even muay thai?) seems pretty good. It seems fighters who only do TKD are often lazy with sheer endurance training.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBdtzh8y7sc

Then this is K-1. No grappling involved. Jiujitsu seems the most popular way to go for grappling skills.


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samd



Joined: 03 Jan 2007

PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 6:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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nicholas_chiasson



Joined: 14 Jun 2007
Location: Samcheok

PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 6:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a silly question. All Martial Artists and writers were tell you there are too many factors to give a real answer.
1)Body build. Tall people are bad at judo. Why? Because unless I bend over, my center of gravity is higher than a woman's.
2)Strength. A man strong enough to lift an opponent one handed, is quite effective in a fight, with NO martial arts. Yeah the Bruce Lees of the world could take him, but no Joe Green Belt.
3)Time. Combative martial arts teach you to hurt/kill people a lot faster, than Kung Fu. However, unless your an assasin, isn't learing ways to kill people rather pointless?
-The best martial art is 2x4 with a nail in it. That really lays down the smack.
I figure you shouldn't worry about effectiveness, and study what is interesting to you. Also the quality of the teacher is of great importance, so shop around.
-I'd avoid fad martial arts. This whole MMA is really stupid, as its just a glorification of ######## violence, and for that reasons brazilian jiu-jitsu and muay thai should be avoided. For God's sake, people get killed in real Muay thai fights. Thats not effective. Thats lethal.
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TECO



Joined: 20 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 7:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ju Jitsu, Japanese or Brazilian (cause they're based on the same principles), is devastating.

Muay Thai is also lethal for stricking.

Grappling: Ju Jitsu

Striking: Muay Thai

Karate and Taikwandoe are gay. Period. Very Happy
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in_seoul_2003



Joined: 24 Nov 2003

PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 7:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To a certain extent organized (competitive) fighting is like clinical psychology: practitioners always claim to abide by a certain style but when it's fight (therapy) time they always seem to be alot more eclectic then they'd like to admit.

Personally, I see TKD as wimpy. It's too contrived to be effective for anything outside a regulated match. Alot of people would agree since, international, TKD is on the decline.

Judging from current fighters, the best is a combo of Muay Thai (for all around strike force) JuJitsu/Samba (for grappling) boxing (for punch power) and wrestling (for takedowns).

Now, when it comes to aesthetics, Muay Thai clothing has them all beat.
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in_seoul_2003



Joined: 24 Nov 2003

PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 7:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TECO wrote:
Ju Jitsu, Japanese or Brazilian (cause they're based on the same principles), is devastating.

Muay Thai is also lethal for stricking.

Grappling: Ju Jitsu

Striking: Muay Thai

Karate and Taikwandoe are gay. Period. Very Happy


We agree. Besides any martial art still emphasizing breaking boards and bricks is lame.

Great display for the kiddies and thei parents but not much else.

Bruce Lee: "Boards don't break back."
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HighTreason



Joined: 15 Jun 2007

PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 7:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Speaking of which, are there many places to learn Shotokan in Korea? I used to do it when I was younger but didn't get far, thought it might be something worth taking up again.
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semphoon



Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: Where Nowon is

PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 8:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to be very into martial arts. This discussion is had over again and again.

In a nutshell, it depends on the training method. If the training method is "alive" (against a resisting opponent) then the method will be effective when it is time to use it for real (in a real fight) Styles which use "alive" training methods include (but not limited to) boxing, judo, muay thai, brazilian ju jitsu, kickboxing, wrestling, sambo and MMA (Mixed Martial Arts).

MMA did a lot to answer this question of which is "best" of most effective.

Because I believe in "real" training, I like to see "frauds" get their bottoms whipped. One of these guys probably trains with resisting opponents. The other guy doesn't.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=gEDaCIDvj6I

See this website for more info -

http://www.bullshido.net/
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semphoon



Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: Where Nowon is

PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 8:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

excitinghead wrote:
I don't know anything at all about either, but according to an ex-flatmate who was quite an expert, Muay Thai is one of the best. I (or he rather) may be completely wrong, but he told me its all about making your legs as hard as possible to withstand pain in them.


You cant make your leg harder. You can kill the nerves to withstand the pain by smashing your shins with rolling pins etc, but this causes micro fractures. The damage is still being done, but you dont know it. For a while your leg will seem fine, but hard training like this takes its toll...
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Treefarmer



Joined: 29 May 2007

PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 8:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i would always say kung fu because it's a philosophy as well as a martial art

i am not very good at fighting, i haven't been to a class for 5 years, but i used to learn kung fu and chinese kickboxing

and kung fu you can apply to the other martial arts a lot more,it's all about self control and intelligence, i heard ju jitsu is better for fighting, but i still think a kung fu expert would beat anyone in a proper fight
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gmat



Joined: 29 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 9:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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a kung fu expert would beat anyone in a proper fight


Sorry but that is just So Wrong.

All the best guys now train in multiple disciplines - grappling/striking/ submissions.

However if you are limited to one discipline Kung Fu would be pretty far down the list. Not as low as TKD, however Wink
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TECO



Joined: 20 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

you fuggers will like this.

little bruce lee and the giant kareem abdul.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=id1L-nFVlao
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