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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| keane wrote: |
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i don't get it.
his daughter is lesbian, he was against the invasion of iraq, and had many reasons for it that came true.
maybe he's just quiet nowadays because he's a puppet?? |
I've always seen him as quiet because he has so much to hide.
When he does come out behind the rock he's hiding from, he just mentions how incredibly pro-war he is (while hiding the 'I'm personally profiting immensily' part)...and then goes back into hiding.
That's also the reason he vows he will never even remotely consider running for President. |
that is right he supported the Iraq war just to make money.  |
Just? No. But it was certainly part of the reason. No bid contracts for his company, Haliburton. No consequences for not doing the work, for overcharging, for neglecting the health of the soldiers. While his stock options make him millions upon millions.
You're right, though: there is no conflict of interest.
What a fool believes, no wise man has the power to reason away... |
That could be war profiteering a serious but separate issue.
I think he sold his stock options before he became president. I will have to check. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 10:12 am Post subject: |
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| Tiger Beer wrote: |
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| Tiger Beer wrote: |
| just another day wrote: |
i don't get it.
his daughter is lesbian, he was against the invasion of iraq, and had many reasons for it that came true.
maybe he's just quiet nowadays because he's a puppet?? |
I've always seen him as quiet because he has so much to hide.
When he does come out behind the rock he's hiding from, he just mentions how incredibly pro-war he is (while hiding the 'I'm personally profiting immensily' part)...and then goes back into hiding.
That's also the reason he vows he will never even remotely consider running for President. |
that is right he supported the Iraq war just to make money. |
Supported? I wouldn't use the word 'supported' the Iraq War. I'd say something more similar to 'very strongly encouraged' or 'had a strong hand in manipulating towards'.
He is the VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES...he's not a sideline cheerleader who just happens to 'support' the local team without a clue to inside decision-making processes and their implications on various levels. |
You are saying he encouraged the Iraq war so he could make money off stock options? |
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keane
Joined: 09 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| You are saying he encouraged the Iraq war so he could make money off stock options? |
I am. Any contention t the contrary is laughable. Was it the only reason? No. Was it a reason? Absolutely. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 12:35 am Post subject: |
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Cheney sold $35 million in Halliburton stock in August
September 12, 2000
Web posted at: 3:56 PM EDT (1956 GMT)
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Republican vice presidential candidate and former Halliburton Co. Chairman Dick Cheney sold 660,000 common shares, valued at about $35 million, of the oil field services company in August, a recently released government filing showed.
Cheney, who raised concerns that his financial stake in Halliburton may pose a conflict of interest if he wins the election, had exercised Halliburton stock options, according to a Securities and Exchange Commission filing.
The regulatory document was publicly released by the SEC on Monday.
The filing showed Cheney still holds options on 500,000 shares that have exercise prices ranging from $28.13 to $54.50 a share. The options expire each December in the years 2007, 2008 and 2009.
In addition, he directly holds 189,800 shares.
Cheney, a former defense secretary and White House chief of staff, has said he is ready to forfeit any options that have not vested by the time he assumes office.
Stock options allow someone to buy stock at a fixed price, which, in the case of Cheney, can be below what the trading price is at the time the option is exercised.
The SEC filing showed that Cheney exercised options for 300,000 shares on Aug. 21 for $21 a share. He sold the stock the same day for $52.28 a share.
The day after that, he exercised options for 95,000 shares at $26.44 each, then sold them for $52.99 a share.
All of the sales occurred between Aug. 21-28.
Halliburton is currently trading for $53.63 a share on the New York Stock Exchange.
Cheney also transferred 39,200 shares, valued at $54 each, to Halliburton on Aug. 24 as payment of a federal income tax withholding obligation on the lapse of restrictions of shares issued under Halliburton's 1993 stock and long term incentive plan.
The plan allowed Cheney to satisfy the tax obligation by transferring the unrestricted shares to the company, the filing said.
Copyright 2000 Reuters. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. |
Let the record show he sold most of his stock before becoming vice president. |
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keane
Joined: 09 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 2:12 am Post subject: |
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Cheney sold $35 million in Halliburton stock in August
September 12, 2000
Web posted at: 3:56 PM EDT (1956 GMT)
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Republican vice presidential candidate and former Halliburton Co. Chairman *beep* Cheney sold 660,000 common shares, valued at about $35 million, of the oil field services company in August, a recently released government filing showed.
Cheney, who raised concerns that his financial stake in Halliburton may pose a conflict of interest if he wins the election, had exercised Halliburton stock options, according to a Securities and Exchange Commission filing.
The regulatory document was publicly released by the SEC on Monday.
The filing showed Cheney still holds options on 500,000 shares that have exercise prices ranging from $28.13 to $54.50 a share. The options expire each December in the years 2007, 2008 and 2009.
In addition, he directly holds 189,800 shares.
Cheney, a former defense secretary and White House chief of staff, has said he is ready to forfeit any options that have not vested by the time he assumes office.
Stock options allow someone to buy stock at a fixed price, which, in the case of Cheney, can be below what the trading price is at the time the option is exercised.
The SEC filing showed that Cheney exercised options for 300,000 shares on Aug. 21 for $21 a share. He sold the stock the same day for $52.28 a share.
The day after that, he exercised options for 95,000 shares at $26.44 each, then sold them for $52.99 a share.
All of the sales occurred between Aug. 21-28.
Halliburton is currently trading for $53.63 a share on the New York Stock Exchange.
Cheney also transferred 39,200 shares, valued at $54 each, to Halliburton on Aug. 24 as payment of a federal income tax withholding obligation on the lapse of restrictions of shares issued under Halliburton's 1993 stock and long term incentive plan.
The plan allowed Cheney to satisfy the tax obligation by transferring the unrestricted shares to the company, the filing said.
Copyright 2000 Reuters. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. |
Let the record show he sold most of his stock before becoming vice president. |
Let the record show he still has many millions in stock still on the table. From your own post:
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The filing showed Cheney still holds options on 500,000 shares that have exercise prices ranging from $28.13 to $54.50 a share. The options expire each December in the years 2007, 2008 and 2009.
In addition, he directly holds 189,800 shares. |
You also need to look up the meaning of "most." He directly owns or holds options on more than he sold, according to your article above. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 2:19 am Post subject: |
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| anyway if he invaded Iraq to enrich himself why did he sell all those shares? |
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just another day
Joined: 12 Jul 2007
Location: Living with the Alaskan Inuits!!
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| Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 2:26 am Post subject: |
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| anyway if he invaded Iraq to enrich himself why did he sell all those shares? |
you can sell shares by excersising your options.
he obviously still has options left, meaning he still has shares left in the company
generally when shareholders excercise options, they never do it all at once. that would raise a very alarming signal to the marketplace about the state of the company to sell all at once.
shareholders will generally sell strategic parts, with strategic timing, over a long period of time in order to maximize their share prices.
also, usually shareholders obviously consult with other shareholders. at this point, they are all trusted friends, all trying to make as much money as they can. the good old boy's club. at your expense of course. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 2:30 am Post subject: |
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Cheney sold his shares of Halliburton in 2000 and promised any profits from stock options he still owns will be given to charity. He still receives deferred compensation from Halliburton, for whom he was CEO from 1995-2000. That compensation is guaranteed even if Halliburton goes into bankruptcy. Top of page
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http://money.cnn.com/2003/04/09/news/companies/war_halliburton_new/index.htm |
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just another day
Joined: 12 Jul 2007
Location: Living with the Alaskan Inuits!!
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| Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 2:43 am Post subject: |
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Cheney sold his shares of Halliburton in 2000 and promised any profits from stock options he still owns will be given to charity. He still receives deferred compensation from Halliburton, for whom he was CEO from 1995-2000. That compensation is guaranteed even if Halliburton goes into bankruptcy. Top of page
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http://money.cnn.com/2003/04/09/news/companies/war_halliburton_new/index.htm |
he still has his friends to watch out for.
government contracting isn't exactly a competitive field.
having friends in that area will secure his future. too bad ur taxes are paying for it tho. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 2:46 am Post subject: |
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| just another day wrote: |
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Cheney sold his shares of Halliburton in 2000 and promised any profits from stock options he still owns will be given to charity. He still receives deferred compensation from Halliburton, for whom he was CEO from 1995-2000. That compensation is guaranteed even if Halliburton goes into bankruptcy. Top of page
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http://money.cnn.com/2003/04/09/news/companies/war_halliburton_new/index.htm |
he still has his friends to watch out for.
government contracting isn't exactly a competitive field.
having friends in that area will secure his future. too bad ur taxes are paying for it tho. |
sorry what is your point? |
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keane
Joined: 09 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 5:59 am Post subject: |
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Cheney sold his shares of Halliburton in 2000 and promised any profits from stock options he still owns will be given to charity. He still receives deferred compensation from Halliburton, for whom he was CEO from 1995-2000. That compensation is guaranteed even if Halliburton goes into bankruptcy. Top of page
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http://money.cnn.com/2003/04/09/news/companies/war_halliburton_new/index.htm |
Well, I believe him, don't you guys? Being such a truthful, trusting and upright fella. I'm sure the Oil Barron Widow's Society will appreciate the handout.
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Alias
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| Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 1:58 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm sure his joining the Project for the New American Century certainly helped, too. Goodbye any notions of pragmatism, hello neoconservative ideology. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 2:24 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm sure his joining the Project for the New American Century certainly helped, too. Goodbye any notions of pragmatism, hello neoconservative ideology. |
they were correct the mideast was a threat to the US |
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Alias
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| Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm sure his joining the Project for the New American Century certainly helped, too. Goodbye any notions of pragmatism, hello neoconservative ideology. |
they were correct the mideast was a threat to the US |
........and you've done a bang up job so far.  |
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keane
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| Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm sure his joining the Project for the New American Century certainly helped, too. Goodbye any notions of pragmatism, hello neoconservative ideology. |
they were correct the mideast was a threat to the US |
Bull. "It", the entire Mid East, was not a threat to the US. A small group of radicals was a small threat to the US. By small, I mean relatively. Was 9/11 a great tragedy? Yes. Was it an example of a threat to the existence of our nation? Not even remotely close.
Enough with this warmongering and exaggeration. We have been through a revolution, a civil war and two world wars, yet we exist. Only our own fratricidal war came close to threatening the nation's existing.
Enough! Quit the lies, quit the bull, quit the fear-mongering. It is all lies, smoke and mirrors.
More people die in the US on a daily basis from a dozen different causes than died on 9/11. Tragic? Yes. But where is your perspective?
We have nothing to fear, but fear itself.
The Muslims did not pas the patriot act, triple our national debt, force us to invade a nation, conduct kidnappings and renditions, hold people indefinitely outside of US and international law, etc.
If there is a true threat to America and our democracy, it is the hate-mongering, lie-wielding neo-cons.
We have nothing to fear, but fear itself.
It is you and those who think like you that are destroying America. It is your silence as presidential power is expanded while you huddle in fear. It is your silence as American, whether guilty or not is irrelevant, are held in indefinite detention without any protections from the Constitution. It is your silence, nee, cheerleading, as torture is made the basic tool of espionage and counter-terrorism rather than the actual gathering of intelligence, infiltrating of groups and the application of the world's foremost police investigative techniques to the problem.
Mark my words: if American democracy dies, it will be in danger all over the world. Already others are using our actions for justification of their own Stalinist measures against their own people.
Al Queda knocked down some buildings. You and your ilk are knocking down America. |
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