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Butterfly

Joined: 02 Mar 2003
Location: Kuwait

Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 8:52 am Post subject:

On the other hand wrote:

But I'm not gonna gloat in their suffering either.

Me neither, though sadly there seems to be a little of that going on here.

Vicissitude wrote:

Those people can rot for all I care.

Jeez, man.

Vicissitude

Joined: 27 Feb 2007
Location: Chef School

Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 12:10 pm Post subject:

Butterfly wrote:

On the other hand wrote:

But I'm not gonna gloat in their suffering either.

Me neither, though sadly there seems to be a little of that going on here.

Vicissitude wrote:

Those people can rot for all I care.

Jeez, man.

If those hostages were Americans, how would Koreans react? They'd laugh, gloat, make fun, flame, show indifference.... you name it. But they sure as hell wouldn't care, feel sorry for or emphathize; that's for darn sure.

There's no disputing the fact that Koreans hate Americans. Anti-American protests have record high numbers on the streets of South Korea on any given day or weekend and this is especially true in front of the American Embassy in Seoul. There must be more Anti-American protests in S. Korea than anywhere else on earth. In Korean culture it seems, one must also be anti-American in order to be Korean.

It's about damn time Americans stopped caring about people who hate them so much.

Hey, what comes around goes around. You reap what you sew.

Last edited by Vicissitude on Thu Aug 16, 2007 12:25 pm; edited 1 time in total

On the other hand

Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue

Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 12:24 pm Post subject:

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You might have a valid point if you knew for a fact that the hostages themselves were the sort of people who would gloat, laugh, etc over Americans who got kidnapped. In that case, it might be construed as a case of the specific offendors getting their just desserts.

However, you know absolutely nothing about the attitudes of the hostages themselves, and so are simply conflating them with what you assume to be majority public opinion in Korea. While this might seem logical to someone of limited intellect, it's pretty obviously fallacious to anyone schooled in basic reasoning skills.

Vicissitude

Joined: 27 Feb 2007
Location: Chef School

Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 1:02 pm Post subject:

On the other hand wrote:

Quote:

Foreign hostages in Iraq
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Beginning in April 2004, members of the Iraqi insurgency began taking hostage foreign civilians in Iraq. Since then, they have kidnapped more than 200 foreigners and thousands of Iraqis; among them, 30 foreign hostages have been killed. The motives behind these kidnappings include influencing foreign governments with troops in Iraq and foreign companies with workers there, as well as ransom money and discouraging travel to Iraq. In 2004, executions of captives were often filmed, and several were beheaded. However, the number of videotaped killings has decreased significantly, and now the deaths of hostages are often announced only in a statement. Many hostages remain missing with no clue as to their whereabouts. The US Department of State Hostage Working Group was organized by the US Embassy in Baghdad in the summer of 2004 to monitor hostages in Iraq.

The following is a list of known foreign hostages in Iraq.

Table of contents
(killed-free-unknown)

Coalition

Australia (0-2)
Bulgaria (2-0)
Czech Republic (0-3)
Denmark (1-0)
Italy (4-6)
Japan (2-3)
Macedonia (3-2)
The Philippines (0-2)
Poland (0-2)
Romania (0-3)
South Korea (1-0)
Ukraine (0-5)
United Kingdom (2-4-5)
United States (6-5-11)
Non-coalition

Algeria (2-0)
Austria (0-0-1)
Bangladesh (0-1)
Brazil (1-0)
Canada (1-6-1)
China (0-15)
Cyprus (0-1)
Egypt (3-10-1)
France (0-4)
Germany (0-3)
India (0-3)
Indonesia (0-4)
Iran (0-7-0)
Ireland (0-1)
Israel (0-1)
Jordan (0-2)
Kenya (0-3-2)
Lebanon (0-3-1)
Morocco (2-0)
Nepal (12-1)
Palestinian Territories (0-0-1)
Pakistan (2-13-1)
Russia (4-5)
Somalia (0-1)
Sri Lanka (0-1)
Sudan (6-9)
Sweden (0-1)
Syria (0-1)
Turkey (3-4)
United Arab Emirates (0-1)

[edit] Coalition

[edit] Australia

[edit] 2 Released
John Martinkus, a journalist for SBS Television, was kidnapped on October 16, 2004. He was released on October 18 after his captors used Google to determine he was not American.
Douglas Wood, construction engineer, kidnapped April 30, 2005 and freed June 15.

[edit] Bulgaria

[edit] 2 Killed
Georgi Lazov and Ivailo Kepov, two truck drivers, were seized July 8, 2004 near Mosul. Lazov's beheaded body was found July 14; Kepov's July 22.

[edit] Czech Republic

[edit] 3 Released
Reporter Michal Kubal and cameraman Petr Kl�ma, of Czech television and V�t Pohanka from Czech Radio were kidnapped April 11, 2004. They were freed April 16.

[edit] Denmark

[edit] 1 Killed
35-year old Henrik Frandsen. was abducted April 16, 2004 while working on a sewage project, and found dead the next day.[1]

[edit] Italy

[edit] 7 Released
Umberto Cupertino, Maurizio Agliana and Salvatore Stefio were captured with security guard Fabrizio Quattrocchi in April 2004. The three were freed June 8.
Simona Pari and Simona Torretta, aid workers for A Bridge to Baghdad, were kidnapped September 7, 2004. They were freed September 28. Italy allegedly paid $5 million dollars in ransom for their release. [2]
Giuliana Sgrena, a reporter for Il Manifesto, was kidnapped February 4, 2005. When she was released on March 4, her car was shot at by US troops, and Italian agent Nicola Calipari was killed. Italy allegedly paid $6 million dollars in ransom for her release.

[edit] 4 Killed
Fabrizio Quattrocchi, a security guard captured with 3 others April, was reported killed in a video released April 14, 2004.
Enzo Baldoni, a reporter taken hostage in August and shown being killed in a video released August 26, 2004. His Iraqi driver/translator was killed during the abduction.
Salvatore Santoro, a photojournalist, reported kidnapped and killed on December 16, 2004.
Iyad Anwar Wali, an Italian-Iraqi businessman, was reported killed. October 2, 2004.

[edit] Japan

[edit] 3 Released
Soichiro Koriyama, Noriaki Imai, and Nahoko Takato, Japanese citizens were kidnapped April 8, 2004, but released April 16.

[edit] 2 Killed
Shosei Koda, was confirmed beheaded October 30, 2005. He had been kidnapped on October 26.
Akihiko Saito, a contractor, was kidnapped after a convoy attack and reported killed on May 28, 2005.

[edit] Macedonia

[edit] 3 Killed
Dalibor Lazarevski , Dragan Markovic, and Zoran Naskovski, were kidnapped August 21, 2004 near Baghdad. They worked for Soufan Engineering, which caters to the needs of the US military and its private contractors. On October 22, the Macedonian government confirmed the three had been killed.

[edit] 2 released
Two contractors working for a cleaning company at Basra International Airport were abducted on February 16, 2006. They were released on February 20, 2006.

[edit] The Philippines

[edit] 2 Released
Angelo de la Cruz, a truck driver, was taken hostage July 7, 2004. De la Cruz was released after the Philippines withdrew their 51 troops in the country on July 20. His Iraqi bodyguard was killed during the abduction.
Roberto Tarongoy, captured November 1 2004. He was released eight months later, on June 22, 2005.

[edit] Poland

[edit] 2 Released
Jerzy Kos, a contractor kidnapped June 1, was freed in an operation June 8, 2004.
Teresa Borcz Khalifa, a Polish aid worker, was kidnapped on October 28, 2004. She was freed on November 20.

[edit] Romania

[edit] 3 Released
Marie Jeanne Ion, Sorin Dumitru Miscoci, and Ovidiu Ohanesian, Journalists, were kidnapped March 28, 2005 in Baghdad. Their Iraqi-American translator, Mohammad Munaf, also went missing with them. They were released May 22; Monaf was accused by the Romanian government of organizing the kidnapping and is being held by American authorities.

[edit] South Korea

[edit] 1 Killed
Kim Sun-il, a translator, was kidnapped May 30, 2004. He was beheaded in a video released June 22.

[edit] Ukraine

[edit] 5 Released
Five energy workers from Interenergoservis were kidnapped April 12, 2004 along with 3 Russians and a man immediately released, all were released the next day with the insurgents apologizing, noting that they did not realise they were Russian/Ukrainian.[3]

[edit] United Kingdom

[edit] 4 Released
James Brandon, a stringer for The Sunday Telegraph, was kidnapped in Basra on August 12, 2004, but released the next day by his captors.
Stephen Farrell, a freelance journalist was kidnapped along with his American colleague Orlay Halpern by a group of Iraqi highway bandits near Falluja on April 6, 2004, after a fight broke out between U.S. forces, Sunnis and Shiites. They were released the same day, after Halpern said she talked her way free by speaking Arabic to hostage-takers and convincing them that she and Farrell were journalists, not CIA.
Phillip Sands, a freelancer reporter, was abducted on December 26, 2005, along with his Iraqi interpreter and driver. His abductors were gunmen who planned on using him to get Britain to pull all troops out of Iraq and release all Iraqi prisoners. Phillip was also filmed pleading for his life. However, the tape was never sent to Al Jazeera. On December 31, Phillip and his two colleagues were rescued by U.S. troops who revealed that no one knew he was missing.
Norman Kember, an aid worker for Christian Peacemaker Teams, was kidnapped along with two Canadians and an American on November 27, 2005. He was freed in a Coalition raid March 23, 2006. See 2005-2006 Christian Peacemaker hostage crisis.

[edit] 2 Killed
Kenneth Bigley, a civil engineer, who was kidnapped September 16, 2004. The two Americans kidnapped with him were killed, and Bigley was beheaded around October 7.
Margaret Hassan, the director of CARE International, was kidnapped in Baghdad on October 19, 2004. She was reported killed in a video released November 16, though her body has not been found.

[edit] 5 Unknown
A British contractor and his four British security guards were kidnapped from the Iraqi Finance ministry on May 29, 2007.

[edit] United States

[edit] 1 Escaped
Thomas Hamill, a truck driver, was seized in a deadly convoy attack on April 9, 2004. He was later shown in a video, but escaped on May 1.

[edit] 4 Released
Micah Garen, a freelance reporter, was kidnapped August 13 near Nasiriyah. He was freed August 22. His Iraqi interpeter was also released.
Roy Hallums, an employee of a Saudi trading company, was seized November 1, 2004 in Baghdad. He was shown in a video aired January 25, 2005. On September 7, 2005, he was freed in an operation by coalition troops.
Paul Taggart, a freelance photographer, was kidnapped on October 10, 2004. He was released on October 12 after pleas from Muqtada Al Sadr.
Jill Carroll, A freelance reporter for the Boston-based Christian Science Monitor, was kidnapped in West Bagdad on the 7th of January 2006 by unknown gunmen. Her Iraqi interpreter was killed during the kidnapping. Her driver escaped. Her kidnappers demanded the release of all female Iraqi prisoners. She was shown in four videos during her captivity. She was released on March 30, 2006.

[edit] 6 Killed
Nick Berg, a businessman went missing in April 2004. His widely-publicized beheading was shown in a video May 11; his body had been found the day before.
William Bradley, a contractor for Halliburton, went missing on April 9, 2004 along with Keith Maupin and Timothy Bell. William's body was found in January 2005 near the site of his disappearance; it is unknown if he was kidnapped or simply died and was buried by insurgents. Maupin and Bell are still missing and presumed dead.
Eugene Armstrong, a contractor, was kidnapped September 16, 2004. He was beheaded on September 20.
Jack Hensley, a contractor, was kidnapped with Armstrong. He was beheaded September 21.
Ronald Schulz, a security consultant, was reported kidnapped on December 6, 2005. On December 19, 2005, The Islamic Army issued a video showing Schulz's killing in which he is shot in the head after the U.S failed to give in to their demands regarding the release of Iraqi prisoners.
Tom Fox, an aid worker working for Christian Peacemaker Teams, was reported kidnapped on November 27, 2005, along with two Canadians and a Briton. His body was found on March 10, 2006. See 2005-2006 Christian Peacemaker hostage crisis.

[edit] 11 Unknown
Ahmed Qusai al-Taayie, an Iraqi-American linguist soldier, was kidnapped on October 23, 2006 while visiting his wife Israa Abdul-Satar's (student at al-Mustansariyah University) family. He was kidnapped along with his cousin by armed men and taken into a waiting vehicles outside. His cousin was freed later that evening. His kidnappers have demanded $250,000 for Ahmed's release. On February 14, 2007, a proof of life video of Ahmed was finally posted on a militant Shiite website. A previously unknown group called the "Ahel al-Beit Brigades" claimed responsibility for Ahmed's abduction. The eight second video showed Ahmed reading from a paper but no audio was heard. His uncle identified him as the man in the video. Ahmed hasn't been heard from since.[4]
Kirk von Ackermann, a contractor, went missing on October 9, 2003 near Tikrit. His whereabouts are unknown; The Major Procurement Fraud Unit (MPFU) at U.S. Army Criminal Investigation Command (HQCID) has been investigating his disappearance.
Timothy Bell, a contractor for Halliburton, went missing on April 9, 2004 along with Keith Maupin and William Bradley. He was never shown in a hostage video and is presumed dead.
Aban Elias, an Iraqi-American engineer from Denver, was shown being held hostage in a video May 3, 2004. He has not been heard from since.
SSg. Keith Maupin was kidnapped April 9, 2004. He was shown in a videotape that month and reported killed in a video in June 28, 2004; he is currently listed as missing in action.
Radim Sadeq Mohammed Sadeq, also called "Dean Sadek," a businessman kidnapped on November 2, 2004 in Baghdad. He was shown in a video that month and in another video dated Christmas Eve but released in late January on NBC. He has not been heard from since.
Jeffrey Ake, a contractor, was kidnapped April 11, 2005 and shown in a videotape. He has not been heard from since.
Paul Johnson Reuben, Jonathon Cote, Joshua Munz, John Roy Young were kidnapped along with an Austrian named Bert Nussbaumer on November 16, 2006. Their captors demanded 150,000 dollars in exchange for the hostages' release. They appeared in two hostage videos released in December 2006 and January 2007 which they plead for the U.S. to withdraw troops from Iraq and to free all Iraqi prisoners and also state that they are being treated well. The five men haven't been heard from since. [5] [6] [7]
An unidentified American contractor of Iraqi origin was kidnapped along with an Iraqi translator and an Iraqi driver on January 5, 2007. The two Iraqis were found dead the next day. The American is still missing. [8]
[edit] Non-coalition

[edit] Algeria

[edit] 2 Killed
Ali Balarousi , Algerian Charg� d'affaires, and, Azzedin Belkadi, Algerian diplomatic attache, were kidnapped July 21, 2005 in Baghdad. The Algerian government, on July 27, said they had been killed. Their driver was also killed. His nationality was not mentioned but it's assumed he was Iraqi. [9]

[edit] Austria

[edit] 1 Unknown
Bert Nussbaumer, An Austrian contractor kidnapped along with four Americans on November 16, 2006. They have appeared in a hostage video in which they plead for the U.S. to withdraw troops from Iraq. Their captors have demanded the withdrawal of U.S. troops, the release of all Iraqi prisoners and 150,000 dollars in ransom for the hostages' release.

[edit] Bangladesh

[edit] 1 Released
Abul Kashem, a truck driver, was kidnapped October 28, 2004, as he ferried supplies to Kuwait. He was freed on December 10.

[edit] Brazil

[edit] 1 Killed
Jo�o Jos� Vasconcelos, an engineer, was kidnapped January 19, 2005 in an ambush on the Baghdad Airport road. He was confirmed killed more than two years after his kidnapping.[10]

[edit] Canada

[edit] 6 Released
Fadi Ihsan Fadel, a Syrian-Canadian employed by the International Rescue Committee, was taken hostage in Najaf on April 8, 2004 but released on April 16.
Naji al-Kuwaiti, was taken hostage April 28, 2004, and released May 4.
Fairuz Yamucky was abducted on September 6 2004, but rescued by a US National Guard unit sixteen days later.
Scott Taylor, was a journalist abducted by Ansar al-Islam in Tal Afar on September 9; he was released five days later.
James Loney and Harmeet Singh Sooden, aid workers with Christian Peacemaker Teams, were kidnapped in Baghdad on November 27, 2005, along with an American and Briton. They were freed in a Coalition raid on March 23, 2006. See 2005-2006 Christian Peacemaker hostage crisis.

[edit] 1 Killed
Zaid Meerwali,who held dual Canadian-Iraqi citizenship, was seized August 2, 2005 and $250,000 in ransom was demanded. Officials in Canada said, that on August 15 he had been shot in the head while the family was preparing the ransom money.[11]

[edit] 1 Unknown
Rifat Mohammed Rifat, an Iraqi-born prison worker, he was taken hostage April 8, 2004. He is still missing.

[edit] China

[edit] 15 Released
Seven workers were abducted April 11, 2004, but were released on April 13.
Eight unemployed construction workers were kidnapped by al-Numan Brigades on January 18, 2005 as they tried to leave the country. They were released four days later. The group included three teenagers[12]

[edit] Cyprus

[edit] 1 Released
Garabet Jean Jekerjian, a man with dual Lebanese-Cypriot citizenship, was abducted in September 2005. He was released on December 31, 2005 in exchange for a $200,000 ransom. [13]
[14]

[edit] Egypt

[edit] 10 Released
Mohammed Ali Sanad, a truck driver, was seized with three Indians and three Kenyans on July 22, 2004. He was released on September 1.
Mohamed Mamdouh Qutb, a diplomat, was seized in Baghdad on July 23, 2004. He was freed on July 26.
At least two workers for Orascom, a mobile phone company, were kidnapped September 24, 2004, but freed on September 28.
Four Egyptians working for a mobile phone company were kidnapped February 6, 2005. They were freed the next day by US forces.
Nabil Tawfiq Sulieman and Matwali Mohammed Qassem, Egyptian engineers for the firm Unitrak, were abducted on a road west of Baghdad, a video on an Islamic website said March 19, 2005. They were released a day later although the Associated Press and Reuters did not bother to report their release. [15]

[edit] 3 Killed
Mohammed Mutawalli, a purported "Egyptian spy", was beheaded in a video on August 10, 2004.
Nasser Juma, a contractor's body was found September 5, 2004.
Ihab al-Sherif, Egyptian envoy to Baghdad, captured June 2005 and reported killed on July 7.

[edit] 1 Unknown
Samuel Dwara, an engineer working for Iraqna Mobile Company, was kidnapped September 26 in Baghdad.

[edit] France

[edit] 4 Released
Christian Chesnot and Georges Malbrunot, two reporters, were kidnapped August 21, 2004. They were released December 21. France allegedly paid $15 million dollars in ransom for their release.
Florence Aubenas, a reporter for the daily Lib�ration. She disappeared January 5, 2005 but was released with her Iraqi assistant, Hussein Hanoun al-Saadi, on June 11. France allegedly paid $10 million dollars in ransom for her release.
Bernard Planche, a water engineer, was kidnapped in Mansour on December 5, 2005. He was freed on January 7, 2006, when his captors fled the house where they were holding him during a military operation. [16]

[edit] Germany

[edit] 2 Released
Susanne Osthoff, an archaeologist, was kidnapped with her driver around November 25, 2005, according to the German Foreign Ministry. They were released on December 18 after Germany allegedly paid the kidnappers $5 million dollars in ransom. It is also speculated that Germany released Mohammed Ali Hamadi in exchange for Osthoff's release.
Thomas Nitzschke and Rene Braeunlich, two engineers, were kidnapped by gunmen near Baiji on January 24, 2006. They appeared in four videos and their kidnappers demanded that Germany end its cooperation with the Iraqi regime, close its mission in Baghdad, ensure that all German businesses cease dealings there, and the release of all Iraqi prisoners held by US forces. On May 2, the German government announced the two had been freed. Germany allegedly paid $5 million dollars ransom in ransom for their release.

[edit] 1 Unknown
Hannelore Krause and her son Sinan, both living in Iraq, were kidnapped on February 6, 2007 in Baghdad. Hannelore Krause was freed on July 10, 2007, after 155 days in captivity, but her son is still being held.

[edit] India

[edit] 3 Released
Antaryami, Sukhdev Singh, and Tilak Raj were truck drivers seized July 22, 2004, with an Egyptian and three Kenyans. They were released September 1.

[edit] Indonesia

[edit] 4 Released
Istiqomah binti Misnad and Casingkem binti Aspin, two female workers of an electricity firm were kidnapped along with six Iraqis and two Lebanese in late September 20004. They appeared in a video broadcasted on Al-Jazzera on September 30, 2004. They appeared in a video broadcasted on Al-Jazeera on September 30. The Islamic Army demanded that Indonesia free Abu Bakar Bashir in exchange for the release of the two women. Bashir refused to be released for the two Indonesian women and Indonesia also said it would not free him. The Islamic Army also demanded that the Lebanese government withdraw all nationals working in Iraq for the release of the two Lebanese men. The women were released on October 4. The six Iraqis were freed sometime that month and the two Lebanese were freed for ransom on November 2004. [17]
Indonesian reporter Meutya Hafid and cameraman Budiyanto were kidnapped February 15, 2005. They were freed February 21. Their Jordanian driver was also released. [18]

[edit] Iran

[edit] 7 Released
Fereidoun Jahani, an Iranian diplomat, was kidnapped near Karbala on August 4, 2004. He was released on September 27.
Six Iranian pilgrims and their Iraqi guide were kidnapped on November 28, 2005. Their Iraqi driver was wounded but was not abducted. The Iraqi guide and two of the Iranian pilgrims (who are women) were released a day later. The four male hostages were shown in a video on December 11, 2005. They were released on February 10, 2006.

[edit] Ireland

[edit] 1 Released
Rory Carroll, a journalist for the British newspaper The Guardian, was abducted October 19, 2005, in Baghdad and released the next day.

[edit] Israel

[edit] 1 Released
Nabil Razouk, an Israeli Arab from East Jerusalem working for the US company Research Triangle International, was kidnapped April 8, 2004. He was freed April 22 after pleas from his family and Palestinians.

[edit] Jordan

[edit] 2 Released
Ibrahim al-Maharmeh, a businessman, was kidnapped in Baghdad on March 5, 2005. He was released on March 8 after a ransom was paid.
Mahmoud Suleiman Saidat, a driver for the Jordanian embassy in Baghdad, was kidnapped on December 20, 2006 . He was later shown on a videotape calling for the release of failed suicide bomber Sajida Mubarak Atrous al-Rishawi. He was released on February 21, 2006

[edit] Kenya

[edit] 3 Released
Faiz Khamis Salim, Jalal Mohamed Awadh, and Ibrahim Khamis Idd were kidnapped July 22, 2004, with 3 Indians and an Egyptian. They were freed September 1.

[edit] 2 Unknown
Moses Munyau and George Noballa, engineers from the Iraqna telephone company, were reported kidnapped after an ambush on January 18, 2006.

[edit] Lebanon

[edit] 1 Unknown
Badri Ghazi Abu Hamzah, a businessman. Lebanese media quoted his family as saying he was seized on the road to Tikrit on November 6, 2004.

[edit] 3 Released
Mohammed Hamad, was kidnapped when he was seven years old on October 22, 2004 after being lured into a car by his captors while he was walking home from school. His captors told him his father was hurt in a car accident. His kidnappers told his father they would behead his son unless they were paid $150,000. They eventually lowered their demand to $70,000 and then lowered it again to $1,725. The $1,725 ransom was paid and Mohammed was released on October 29, 2004. Mohammed stated he was treated well and was given food. He is the youngest child known to been kidnapped in Iraq. [19] [20] [21]
Marwan Ibrahim al-Qassar and Mohammed Jawdat Hussein were kidnapped by the Islamic Army in Iraq in late September 2004 along with six Iraqis and two Indonesian women. They appeared in a video broadcasted on Al-Jazeera on September 30. The Islamic Army demanded that Indonesia free Abu Bakar Bashir in exchange for the release of the two women. Bashir refused to be released for the two Indonesian women and Indonesia also said it would not free him. The Islamic Army also demanded that the Lebanese government withdraw all nationals working in Iraq for the release of the two Lebanese men. The Iraqis and the two Indonesian women were freed in October 2004. Marwan and Mohammed were freed for ransom in November 2004.[22]
[23]

[edit] Morocco

[edit] 2 Killed
Driver Abderrahim Boualam and assistant Abdelkrim El Mouhafidim, both workers at the Moroccan embassy in Baghdad, went missing on October 20, 2005 while driving back from Jordan. On October 25, militants claimed their kidnapping. On November 3, Al Qaeda in Iraq said in an internet statement that it had decided to kill the two hostages. Ziad Khalaf Raja al-Karbouly later confessed to having arranged the kidnappings. He stated that two Kurds were kidnapped with the Moroccans and were later executed. [24]

[edit] Nepal

[edit] 1 Released
Inus Dewari was kidnapped November 1 in Baghdad. He was released November 6.

[edit] 12 Killed
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Main article: Execution of 12 Nepalese Hostages in Iraq
Gyanendra Shrestha, Manoj Kumar Thakur, Rajendra Kumar Shrestha, Jit Bahadur Thapa, Budha Kumar Shas, Ramesh Khadka, Mangal Bahadur Limbu, Sanjaya Kumar Thakur, Lalan Sing Koirala, Chhok Bahadur Thapa, Prakash Adhikari, and Bishnu Hari Thapa , were twelve Nepalese taken hostage in August 2004. A video August 31 showed the beheading of one and the shooting in the head of the 11 others.

[edit] Palestinian Territories

[edit] 1 Unknown
Rami Daas, a 26 year-old Palestinian student, was reported kidnapped by his family May 9, 2005, by gunmen in the northern city of Mosul. His fate is unknown.

[edit] Pakistan

[edit] 13 Released
Amjad Hafeez, a driver, was kidnapped June 25, 2004. He was freed July 2.
A worker at the Pakistani embassy was abducted in April 2005, but released two weeks later.
Eleven Pakistani construction workers were kidnapped from their bus near Nasiriyah on August 13, 2005. They were released August 22.

[edit] 2 Killed
Azad Hussein Khan, and Sajjad Naeem, truck drivers, were kidnapped July 23, 2004 and killed. Their captors demanded their Kuwaiti company leave Iraq. In a video released July 29, their bodies were shown. An Iraqi driver kidnapped with them was released.

[edit] 1 Unknown
Mohammed Shafique Aslam, truck driver, missing since April 10, 2006 when the convoy he was travelling with was attacked near Fallujah.

[edit] Russia

[edit] 5 Released
Three energy workers from Interenergoservis were kidnapped April 12, 2004 along with 5 Ukrainians and a man immediately released, all were released the next day with the insurgents apologizing, noting that they did not realise they were Russian/Ukrainian.[25]
Andrei Meshcheryakov and Aleksandr Gordiyenko, employees of Interenergoservis, were kidnapped May 10, 2004, but released May 17.

[edit] 4 Killed
Fyodor Zaitsev , third secretary of the Russian Embassy in Iraq, and embassy employees Rinat Agliulin, Anatoly Smirnov and Oleg Fedoseyev were abducted after an ambush in Baghdad on June 3, 2006. Another diplomat, Vitaly Titov, was shot and killed. A group claimed to have executed them on June 21, and a video released on June 25 confirmed their deaths.The kidnapper group gaves 48 hours to Putin administration to pullout his troops from Chechnya.

[edit] Somalia

[edit] 1 Released
Ali Ahmed Mousa, a truck driver, was taken hostage July 29, 2004, in order to convince his Kuwaiti employer to withdraw from Iraq. He was released several days later and did an interview for BBC.

[edit] Sri Lanka

[edit] 1 Released
Dinesh Dharmendran Rajaratnam, a truck driver, was kidnapped Oct. 28, 2004, while ferrying supplies to Kuwait. He was released Dec. 10.

[edit] Sudan

[edit] 9 Released
Noureddin Zakaria, a translator, was kidnapped October 30, 2004, in Ramadi. He was released November 6.
Five Sudanese, including the second secretary at the Sudanese embassy, were abducted in Baghdad on December 23, 2005. They were released on December 31 after Sudan closed its embassy in Baghdad.[26]
Mohammed Haroun Hamad, a truck driver, was kidnapped along with his colleague Maher Ataya sometime in March of 2005. The Islamic army claimed responsibility in a statement and internet video for the abductions on March 9. The group claimed that a Sharia Council would decide their fates. On April 6, 2005, A second video announced that the two would be released after the Sharia council decided that they were duped into working with the Americans and ordered that they repent. After their repentance was deemed to be sincere, their release was ordered. [27], [28]

[edit] 6 Killed
Six Sudanese workers working for Jordanian Al-Daud were shot by Jaish Ansar al-Sunna on April 28, 2005.[29]

[edit] Sweden

[edit] 1 Released
Ulf Hjertstrom, an oil broker, was taken hostage on March 25, 2005. He was released on May 30.

[edit] Syria

[edit] 1 Released
Mohammed al-Joundi, the driver for Christian Chesnot and Georges Malbrunot, was kidnapped August 21, 2004. He was freed by US troops in Fallujah on November 12, 2004.

[edit] Turkey

[edit] 4 Released
Abdulkadir Tanrikulu, a businessman, Abducted by gunmen from the Bakhan Hotel in Baghdad on Jan. 13, 2005. He was freed on June 29, 2005.
Ali Musluoglu, a businessman, Kidnapped in Baghdad on May 19, 2005. He was released on September 20, 2005 in exchange for a $250,000 ransom.
Aytullah Gezmen, a truck driver, was kidnapped in Iraq in late July, 2004 along with his colleague Murat Yuce. Murat was executed in August 2004. Aytullah was released a month later after he "repented" working for the Americans.
Hasan Eskimutlu, a technician, was kidnapped in the middle of June, 2006 along with his translator. His captors sent a video to Aljazeera in which they demanded the Turkish government withdraw it's ambassador from Baghdad and that they put pressure on the Iraqi government to free male and female prisoners from U.S and Iraqi prisons. They were freed on August 2, 2006

[edit] 3 Killed
Dursun Ali Yildirim Tek, a truck driver, was kidnapped on July 23, 2006. Two videos were broadcasted on the internet in which his captors have demanded the Turkish government end all cooperation with Iraq and that they shut down the compnay Yildirim works for. In the second video, a 72 hour deadline was issued in which Turkey must give in to the captors demands or Yildirim would be executed. He was killed sometime in September after the deadline passed and his body was found near Baghdad's Airport. His body was identified a month and a half later. [30]
Murat Yuce, a truck driver, was kidnapped in Iraq along with his colleague Aytullah Gezmen in late July 2004. A video showing him being shot in the head by Abu Ayyub al-Masri was posted on a web site August 2, 2004. Aytullah was released a month later after he "repented" working for the Americans
Maher Kemal, a contractor, was reported beheaded on October 11, 2004. [/b]

[edit] United Arab Emirates

[edit] 1 Released
Naji Rashid al-Nuaimi, the first secretary of the UAE's embassy in Baghdad, was abducted by gunmen on May 16, 2006. His captors demanded the UAE abandon its presence in Iraq. Nuaimi was freed on May 30. His Sudanese driver/bodyguard was wounded and later died of his wounds.[31]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_hostages_in_Iraq

Now of all these people who were taken hostage, many killed, how many of them did Koreans care about? Did anyone hold a candle light vigil for any of these victims? Koreans will hold a candle light vigil for a pig they tore apart at a protest, but what about people from a different race? They care more about a pig, than they do about people from a different race.

How do you know I don't know anything about their attitudes? I met many zealous Christian Jesus freaks in Korea touting such things as:
"Are you Christain? Give me money!" These people are only out to make money for their churches and become heroic for converting people to Christianity.

Butterfly

Joined: 02 Mar 2003
Location: Kuwait

Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 2:10 pm Post subject:

Vicissitude wrote:

If those hostages were Americans, how would Koreans react? They'd laugh, gloat, make fun, flame, show indifference.... you name it.

No doubt many would, much as you are doing in your vitriol over these hostages. Two wrongs?

[for the way you are referring to Koreans collectively, I simply refer you to OTOH's post above]

I sense you are eager in your anticipation of the deaths of more of these naiive missionaries / volunteers. For this you should take a bit of a look at what you have become.

I have had enough experiences with and taught these kinds of evangelical and often very smug, self-riteous Korean christians and though I could be wrong, I believe this group went to Afghanistan with the express and single mission of spreading the gospel there, no mistake. I don't like Korean evangelicals one bit. But this is barbaric and you man, are taking your vitriol too far.

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Those people can rot for all I care.

That's sick Vicissitude, really. You should think about that.

Vicissitude

Joined: 27 Feb 2007
Location: Chef School

Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 5:05 pm Post subject:

Butterfly wrote:

Quote:

Those people can rot for all I care.

That's sick Vicissitude, really. You should think about that.

That's my opinion and feeling on the matter. If you don't like it, you can rot for all I care too!

I save my pity and sympathies for people who really deserve it. For this, I refer you to my quote above about the hostages in Iraq, dead released or otherwise unknown.

On the other hand

Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue

Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 11:00 pm Post subject:

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Now of all these people who were taken hostage, many killed, how many of them did Koreans care about?

Probably not many. By the same token, how many Americans who cried about the 9/11 victims paid attention to mining disasters in China? To take just one example of people caring more about disasters closer to home.

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How do you know I don't know anything about their attitudes? I met many zealous Christian Jesus freaks in Korea touting such things as:
"Are you Christain? Give me money!" These people are only out to make money for their churches and become heroic for converting people to Christianity.

Yes, yes. We've all met Korean Christians. But that still doesn't prove anything about the specific ones under discussion.

Anyway, you seem to have some pretty major anger issues going in re: Korea. Hope you manage to worl things out.

thepeel

Joined: 08 Aug 2004

Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 11:13 pm Post subject:

I'm on Team Vicissitude. Koreans made jokes to me all the time about 9/11. Even in my ultra-muslim-nutjob neighborhood in Istanbul, I found people more sympathetic to the loss of American life in 2001. Even when I lived in Quebec (!!!) people were shocked at the horror of that day. Not so in Korea. Not at all. While I don't know what the hostages themselves are thinking, my beef is with the Koreans who are demanding special treatment from the Americans because they are Korean. Those are the same people. I don't think that the vast majority of Koreans are hard-wired (culturally) to feel empathy for non-Koreans. I also think I'm Emperor Obvious Prime for pointing that out.

Butterfly

Joined: 02 Mar 2003
Location: Kuwait

Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 12:29 am Post subject:

BJWD wrote:

I'm on Team Vicissitude.

Koreans made jokes to me all the time about 9/11. Even in my ultra-muslim-nutjob neighborhood in Istanbul, I found people more sympathetic to the loss of American life in 2001. Even when I lived in Quebec (!!!) people were shocked at the horror of that day. Not so in Korea. Not at all.

Sure, but we are not talking about 'Koreans' and their capacity for compassion, we are talking about ours.

Two wrongs don't make a right. Be the bigger man, try it.

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While I don't know what the hostages themselves are thinking, my beef is with the Koreans who are demanding special treatment from the Americans because they are Korean. Those are the same people.

Does that lead you to take some pleasure in their suffering? Because it seems to with him.

Anyway, it appears that the poster Vicissitude is having some major anger issues with Korea for which i and seemingly OTOH offer him my deepest sympathy.

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I don't think that the vast majority of Koreans are hard-wired (culturally) to feel empathy for non-Koreans. I also think I'm Emperor Obvious Prime for pointing that out.

I don't think this is relevant to my point, however i will take it on and tell you openly that here in England, five dead in a motorway pile-up on the M6 makes bigger news than 50 dead in a suicide attack in Iraq. We care more about our own, universally (Koreans add some extra flavour to that, given, but they are not alone). I also think I'm Emporer Obvious Prime for pointing that out.

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thepeel

Joined: 08 Aug 2004

Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 1:04 am Post subject:

Vicissitude is a she, I believe. I get no pleasure from the situation of the soon-to-be-headless Korean Christians. I also feel little/no sorrow. They made an adult decision and are now dealing with the adult consequences. Their government told them not to go and they did anyways. The United States does not clean up the messes of grown-ups, from other countries, who were warned. Too bad, so sad. Darwin at work. To the Koreans who are now protesting the USA and warning of "increased anti-Americanism" if they aren't obeyed: beep you. Clean up your own crap. And to the Koreans who are indifferent or otherwise sane: Nothing. I don't care. My crocodile tears are flowing.

Butterfly

Joined: 02 Mar 2003
Location: Kuwait

Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 1:14 am Post subject:

BJWD wrote:

Vicissitude is a she, I believe.

I get no pleasure from the situation of the soon-to-be-headless Korean Christians. I also feel little/no sorrow. They made an adult decision and are now dealing with the adult consequences. Their government told them not to go and they did anyways. The United States does not clean up the messes of grown-ups, from other countries, who were warned.

I don't think there is anyone here who disagrees with this. It's just the level of the vitriolic language indicating some pleasure in the situation, that i find distatesteful:

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Too bad, so sad. soon-to-be-headless Korean Christians. Darwin at work. My crocodile tears are flowing.

et cetera. It's kind of chatboard attention seeking.

thepeel

Joined: 08 Aug 2004

Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 1:48 am Post subject:

Attention seeking or not, I can't bring myself to care one bit about a group of religious nuts who made nutty decisions and ended up in a dangerous position. I wonder if Jesus is going to save them? Like when allah forgets to stop fuggin up Indonesia. Maybe if they had used their minds they wouldn't be in this situation. If I travel to east pakistan on day, in an attempt to give The God Delusion to the locals and I'm captured and about to be killed, I'll understand if you don't show compassion for me either.

Vicissitude

Joined: 27 Feb 2007
Location: Chef School

Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 3:35 am Post subject:

BJWD wrote:

Maybe if they had used their minds they wouldn't be in this situation.

If I travel to east pakistan on day, in an attempt to give The God Delusion to the locals and I'm captured and about to be killed, I'll understand if you don't show compassion for me either.

Well put and I'll second that, "me either" part. Seems these days Koreans, Brits and Canadians show zero compassion for Americans regardless of their intensions - even if those intensions are/were to help provide real humanitarian aid in a war torn desperate part of the world. If those same hostages were Americans...

they would probably waste not time throwing salt in our wounds as they continue to berate, flame and criticize not only the Americans trying to do a good deed but all Americans in general.

thepeel

Joined: 08 Aug 2004

Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 3:46 am Post subject:

You're probably right. But, head on up to Alberta sometime. We are more sane there. America hasn't become the essentialised other for us to the extent that it has for the rest of Canada, UK and West in general. Anyways, the Koreans are just suffering in their colonial mentality. Always a bridesmaid, never a bride should be written on their currency.

Butterfly

Joined: 02 Mar 2003
Location: Kuwait

Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 6:56 am Post subject:

Vicissitude wrote:

If those same hostages were Americans...

If those same hostages were americans I would hope with my most sincere heart that they would not be ill-treated or murdered, just as i hope that these remaining korean hostages escape harm. If these same hostages were Americans I would be repulsed by any vitriolic 'soon-to-be-beheaded' 'darwin' 'i hope they rot' talk as i am repulsed by this talk from you and the other poster. I was disgusted by Koreans who talked like that after 9-11, Nick Berg's murder etc and I am disgusted now. You are one and the same to me.

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they would probably waste not time throwing salt in our wounds as they continue to berate, flame and criticize not only the Americans trying to do a good deed but all Americans in general.

Some would, yeah. But I again ask you, do two wrongs make a right?

"How far you go in life depends on your being tender with the young, compassionate with the aged, sympathetic with the striving and tolerant of the weak and strong. Because someday in your life you will have been all of these." George Washington Carver

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