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Captain Corea

Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul

Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 5:37 am Post subject: Noh's address and my rant (long read)

http://english.president.go.kr/cwd/en/archive/archive_view.php?m_def=2&ss_def=1&meta_id=en_speeches&id=a578c6383a9b6beac4c5ebe1

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Fellow citizens, North Korean compatriots, and seven million overseas Koreans,

Sixty-two years ago today, we were liberated from the oppressive colonial rule of the Japanese imperialists. On that day, everyone in the nation embraced one another with overwhelming joy and shed tears of elation. The country set out to make a fresh start with new hope. We have finally carved out the Republic of Korea of today where everyone fully enjoys freedom and independence.

I pay wholehearted tribute to our patriotic forefathers, who dedicated everything they had for the independence of the homeland. I offer my deepest respect and gratitude to our patriots who sacrificed themselves for the nation�s independence and to their bereaved families.

Ok, so he goes out of his way to address the North koreans, but he neglects to mention the fact that it was US bombs that forced Japan to surrender!?!

Ok, I don't want to take anything away from the Koreans that tried to fight off the Japanese occupation, but lets get real here, it wasn't them who secured the surrender.

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Fellow Koreans,

We helplessly lost our country 100 years ago when we had no power to safeguard ourselves. After numerous hardships and much suffering, the country was finally liberated, but had to sustain yet other tragedies of the division of the nation and a fratricidal war.

But we refused to cave in; we rose up again. Weathering countless adversities, we have made miraculous and legendary achievements.

The national per capita income even fell short of a meager $100 half a century ago, but we are now about to enter the era of $20,000 in per capita income. The country has a gross domestic product and trade volume that has grown into the 10th largest in the world, and it holds the fifth largest foreign exchange reserves. With the splendid development of science and technology, Korea posted the fourth largest number of patent applications in the world.

The country is building up sufficient defensive power commensurate with its economic growth. With the 10th strongest elite military power, the Korean armed forces are firmly safeguarding peace on the Korean Peninsula and greatly contributing to peace and stability in the world.

Um, I could have sworn that Korea as out of the top 10
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)
http://siteresources.worldbank.org/DATASTATISTICS/Resources/GDP.pdf

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There has been great development in democracy as well. Freedom House, the world-renowned human rights watchdog, rated Korea�s political freedom in the top-tier in the world. Reporters Without Borders also listed Korea above even the United States and Japan in the ranking of freedom of the press.

yet he ignores when those same agencies knock him for his recent attacks on the press.

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Our achievements in democracy and economic development are unprecedented in world history. There have been about 100 newly independent nations since the Second World War, but none of them has come close to the doorstep of becoming an advanced country except for Korea.

Agree.d I love this place.

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All these accomplishments are the outcome of the prowess of the ambitiously motivated Korean people and their painstaking efforts. I am grateful to our parents and all the people for the Republic�s success.

Yup, a lot of people worked hard. But again, they had help at different stages (go to the war memorial in Samgakji to see all the names)

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Fellow Korean citizens,

So, was that last statement for ALL koreans? If so, does he include North Korea in any of it? How is the above any different than what you would say to the citizens?

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We will continue to set our economy in dynamic motion and will move forward toward an advanced democracy both in name and in fact, a country where the entire people can live with dignity.

There is, however, a daunting task that must be resolved in the course of marching forward. Incapable of casting off the yoke of the Cold War, Korea is still the only remaining country divided by Cold War rivalries. The sounds of gunfire have ceased, but we are not yet firmly confident of peace on the Korean Peninsula. Before it is too late, we have to overcome this adverse situation and open a new front for the future of the nation.

1) There are other countries still divided.
2) There are still shots being fired:even a week ago!
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200708/200708070011.html

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The situation surrounding us in Northeast Asia is changing rapidly. China is growing at an astounding pace, and Russia is bracing for a new growth surge. Japan is attempting to become a normal nation by shaking itself free from the postwar regime, and the United States is changing course and charting new global strategies. Even with the dissolution of the Cold War system, an order of peace and coexistence has yet to take firm root. The confrontational atmosphere is likely to boil over again at anytime.

Wow, now THAT is what I like to hear from a president!!! Way to stabalize things Noh -tdown

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My Participatory Government, has outlined an era of peace and prosperity in Northeast Asia as one of the three administrative goals based on an accurate understanding of the changing situation in Northeast Asia, an excruciating self-reflection on our history and a dispassionate evaluation of the nation�s capabilities.

Without a successful framework of peace and prosperity in Northeast Asia, it is difficult to bring about stable peace on the Korean Peninsula. The ambitious aspiration also reflects our awareness and willingness to proactively pioneer our destiny by taking the initiative to usher in the era of Northeast Asia within that framework.

The Participatory Government has pursued three major strategies to achieve such a goal: balanced and pragmatic diplomacy, cooperative and self-reliant national defense and North Korea policy of trust and engagement.

The balanced and pragmatic diplomacy is a future-oriented and practical strategy for foreign affairs and national security. In light of our strategic position and importance in Northeast Asia, plus our historic experiences, we should play a balancing role to bring about an order of peace on the Korean Peninsula and in Northeast Asia.

Anyone else remember what happened the last time Korea tried to play that role of "balancing" Russia against Japan?

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What really counts is whether we take a firm stand and what kind of vision we have.To accomplish this, we have developed ROK-U.S. relations into comprehensive and dynamic ties. Korea�s relations with China, Russia and other neighboring countries have reached a higher level as well.

Inspired by these efforts, Korea has accomplished the remarkable feat of producing a UN Secretary-General. Over the course of resolving the issue of the North Korean nuclear program, the country also assumed an active role in mediating differences among the countries during the Six-Party Talks.

While I always dug Ban as Foreign Minister, lets not hype him up too much until he actually does something.

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As befits Korea�s profile as the 10th largest economy, the Government�s plan for cooperative and self-reliant national defense illustrates our commitment to defending the nation with our own strength.

To date, my Administration has made an effort to overcome the nation�s psychological dependence on the United States while strengthening its potential for self-reliant defense. Guided by this strategy are the transfer of wartime operational control, redeployment of the U.S. Forces Korea, relocation of Yongsan Garrison, and vigorous progress in implementing the National Defense Reform 2020.

Self-reliant defense and the ROK-U.S. alliance must go forward hand in hand. It is simply not a matter of choosing between two alternatives. From this day onward, as it has in the past, the ROK-U.S. alliance will grow into even more robust ties based on mutual respect and close cooperation.

How? What has Noh done to increase the ties with the US military?

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Fellow citizens,

Um, was he not already addressing the korean citizens?

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When dealing with North Korea, South Korea has also continued to work ceaselessly toward policies of trust and engagement. As a result of exercising patience to curb hostile acts and engaging in dialogue and persuasion to build trust, inter-Korean relations have consistently advanced even after the breakout of the North Korean nuclear issue.

Woah there cowboy. Now you might get away with saying that the summit "might" help certain things along (although even now Noh is in the news trying to downplay it), but for saying that things have consistantly progressed!?! Come on. The only thing that has consistantly progressed has been the North's Nuclear program. This guy seems to be forgetting the soldiers murdered in 2002, the many shootings across the DMZ, and the testing of a nuclear device.

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When compared with the previous Administration, inter-Korean trade has doubled, cooperative projects have grown four times, and people-to-people exchanges jumped seven-fold. Changing inter-Korean relations are symbolized by the reconnection of railroads and the Gaeseong Industrial Complex. A business district that currently employs 16,000 entrepreneurs and workers from South and North Korea, the Gaeseong Industrial Complex will grow into an industrial zone that produces goods worth over $2 billion annually, with its workforce swelling up to 100,000 by the end of the first move-in phase. With military tension under control, there has not been a single armed clash during my Administration�s watch.

this made me laugh
-notice how he says "trade", but does not mention the direction of said trade.
-16,000 "entrepreneurs"?? Since when? Did I mis the major news briefing that showed how all of them are small business owners?? They have their apartments appointed to them and the state controls their careers. Not much entrepreneurial about that.
-A ONE TIME test of a train does not a schedule make.
-military tension under control? Not a single armed clash? Have they stopped firing at SK soldiers?
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200708/200708070011.html
Nope.
Man, this guy is really going to fit in when he visits the DPRK with all the shite he shovels.

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The Korean Peninsula is on a more stable footing now than at any other time. As the negative sentiment over Korea�s geopolitical stability gradually ebbs, its sovereign credit rating is rising. An international source said that Korea has surpassed the United States and France on the peace index.

Anyone se this source?

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North Korea is also changing. It is much less leery of the South, exhibiting a pragmatic and flexible stance in channels of inter-Korean dialogue and economic cooperation. With many North Korean regulations and organizational structures geared toward reform, awareness of the market economy has spread quickly among its citizens.

North Korea�s potential and its excellent human capital have manifested themselves in many different ways throughout inter-Korean exchanges and cooperation. The productivity of North Korean employees is improving at a surprising pace. Additional progress in inter-Korean exchanges and cooperation will put North Korea�s development on a faster growth trajectory.

Yes, the gates have been thrown open! Rejoice!! Oh, wait... it's still locked up. And there are people being tortured. But hey, what does that matter so long as things look good. Productivity is up right? I mean, they've released national figures to show that their workers are embracing modern production patterns... or is it only is Kaesong? ONly on modern Sk machines that they've improved on?

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Fellow citizens,

The North Korean nuclear program, the biggest issue for our nation over the last four years, is entering onto the road toward a solution.

In 2005, the Six-Party Talks yielded the September 19th Joint Statement that laid out comprehensive answers to the issue of the North Korean nuclear program. More than a mere solution to the North Korean nuclear issue, the Joint Statement provides a larger framework for peace on the Korean Peninsula and in Northeast Asia. The February 13 Action Plan inked this year outlined the specifics by which initial steps have already been taken to completely close North Korea�s nuclear facilities.

I have faith that every concerned member of the Six-Party Talks will follow through on the September 19 Joint Statement and February 13 agreement in good faith.

We all hope so too.

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Fellow citizens,

For the most part, my Administration�s foreign and security policies are approaching materialization. This is the time to take a step forward.

The Six-Party Talks, now shifting into a new phase, has to be managed in a way that it is locked into a virtuous cycle with the inter-Korean dialogue.

Progress in the Six-Party Talks is enlivening the dialogue between the two Koreas. Inter-Korean dialogue, in turn, accelerates the success of the multilateral talks. If the Six-Party Talks advances even more successfully, it will develop into the establishment of a peace regime on the Korean Peninsula.

"enlivening"... hehehe, interesting word. I'm guessing he is talking about the upcoming summit. Theone he's been asking for for YEARS! And now, right before a presidential election (in which the North has pledged conflict if Hanaradang wins), the North agrees to a meeting. Wow, that sure does smell of some life.

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When the armistice regime is transformed into a peace regime and when the South and North join hands to bring in a new economic era on the Korean Peninsula, it will live up to its title, the hub of the Northeast Asian economy. South Korea will energetically expand into the Eurasian continent and place itself on the map as the hub of trade in goods, finance and business, while North Korea will be given an opportunity to achieve epoch-making economic development.

Not a word of the pracicle nature of unification or anything right? Just keep on dreaming Noh.

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Fellow Citizens,

In two weeks, I plan to hold an inter-Korean summit with National Defense Commission Chairman Kim Jong-il.

The summit is the first in seven years and will serve as an occasion to normalize inter-Korean relations that have gone through difficulties due to the North�s nuclear program. More than anything, the summit will contribute to further solidifying peace and stability on the Korean Peninsula while advancing common South-North prosperity. The meeting is also expected to help the Six-Party Talks make progress, while facilitating development of multilateral ties that should ensue in the future in Northeast Asia.

The South and North have already made comprehensive and concrete agreements on the basic principle of the inter-Korean relationship and the direction of development. They include the July 4, 1972 Joint Communiqu�, the 1991 South-North Basic Agreement, the 1992 Joint Declaration of the Denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula and the June 15, 2000 South-North Joint Declaration. The four major agreements constitute the firm commitment that past administrations in the South and North have made before the world.

Am I missing something, or did the norht not break the agreement of 1992???

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Now is the time for the parties concerned to strive to put the agreements into practice. By respecting the agreements and taking a faithful stance to carry them out, the two sides will be able to develop their relationship into one that is predictable and trustworthy.

would that include not shooting at us?

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Fellow citizens,

I do not plan to be overly ambitious in the forthcoming talks. I would rather not try to make a new historic turning point with this meeting; I will only try my best to materialize what has already transpired historically as I mentioned just now

So... you're just trying to do what has already been done? No, wait, you're trying to get them to commit to what they've already promissed? Um, is that right?

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What matters most is the fact that the two sides have to bolster understanding and trust toward each other. To this end the two sides have to try to understand each other and compromise what should be compromised. We will seek dialogue for the future, instead of a dispute.

And the last time the North gave anyting to the South was??

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As far as economic cooperation is concerned, I feel we need to start discussing the formation of an inter-Korean economic community. From now on, the two sides need to develop inter-Korean economic cooperation into productive investment collaboration and into two-way cooperation. In this way the South will have more investment opportunities, while the North will have a chance to make an economic turnaround. We intend to make progress one step at a time from the area that is possible.

You know, having the companies that are already working in Kaesong makea profit might help a little. Last I heard, NOT ONE of them was making money.

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Throughout the entire summit, I will make careful judgments of the historical mission conferred on me. I will not try to accomplish something for the sake of accomplishing it. Instead, I will do all I can to fulfill my obligation. The summit will be in harmony with the Six-Party Talks and will be carried out in such a way that it expedites their success.

I would like to see the people of the Republic reach a consensus in this regard. I hope you will not burden me by saying, �Don�t do this or don�t do that.� I hope you won�t tell me, �Get this without fail.� I earnestly hope that the nation will gather creative, collective wisdom within a big framework for a brighter future

Yeah, being burdened by expectations is tough. Gotta'hate when the people paying your salary expect something of you. -laugh

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Fellow Koreans,

Sixty-two years ago, we were not able to prevent the division of our land. But now, it depends on our determination whether or not the two Koreas cooperate with each other and forge a path of common prosperity. Depending on how we act, we can play a leading role in assuring peace and prosperity in Northeast Asia.

Agreed, but it takes two to tango.

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To this end, we all have to take a responsible stance internally as we cope with inter-Korean problems. In dealing with the development of inter-Korean relations, partisan interests have no place. This is not an issue that can be resolved by any one Administration alone. An Administration is expected to do all it can and leave its achievements to the next Administration. The next Administration, in turn, is expected to try harder to reach an even higher level based on existing accomplishments.

North Korean nuclear technology - check
Transfer of technology - check
Transfer of massive amounts of food - check
Transfer of cash - check
Transfer ofescaped North Koreans - check (maybe minus those checks after they've beenexecuted)

Yup, nice to see you chalking up the accomplishments -thumbup

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With only a short time before the presidential election, the nation�s political parties and politicians are urged to respect the agreements made by the previous Administrations. They should not maintain North Korea policies that are tantamount to retracting the agreements the Republic has made.

So, they are not allowed to have a different opinion? If elected by the majority, they should not follow their platform if it differes from the previous administration??? Come on....

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Fellow Koreans,

History is going forward. It is shifting from the order of power and confrontation to the order of reconciliation and cooperation. One hundred years ago, the Korean Peninsula was a battlefield of the major powers, but now, the land is poised to become a source of Northeast Asia�s peace and prosperity as it dashes into a promising future.

I thought he said we were on the edge?? wait a minute (looks back...), Yup - he said "The confrontational atmosphere is likely to boil over again at anytime"... wow, one speechand it's calmed the whole region! Way to go Noh!!!

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I believe in the potential of the Korean people who have achieved what they have with sheer determination. I believe in the strength of our nation that has overcome countless challenges over many millennia and created a glorious culture.

Let us write a new chapter of history by utilizing that potential and strength. Let us leave to our sons and daughters as well as grandsons and granddaughters a more peaceful and prosperous future.

Thank you.

The only part I really agree with.

Man, how many more months until this guy is gone?? Just mark my words, he's going to run for office again in a year or so...

wo buxihuan hanguoren

Joined: 18 Apr 2007
Location: Suyuskis

Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 5:42 am Post subject:

Good rant. The sooner that clown is out of the White, I mean, Blue House the better. The big thing now in the media is which car will he be driven in to PyeongYang, a Merc or a Beemer...

jaganath69

Joined: 17 Jul 2003

Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 5:54 am Post subject:

President Roh said

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Bollox. Try Singapore, Brunei and Taiwan. Maybe the Gulf states too. Taken in context though, This kind of bilge is for domestic consumption. Kind of like a hand job to the masses on Independence Day.

Kimchi Cha Cha

Joined: 15 May 2003
Location: was Suncheon, now Brisbane

Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 6:07 am Post subject:

jaganath69 wrote:

President Roh said

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Good point. I was thinking of Singapore too when I saw that. Czech Republic also isn't going too bad for a country that's only been round for 15 years.

Roh More-hope is a lost cause, good thing is that in a year's time he and his legacy will be all but nothing.

Ya-ta Boy

Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 6:13 am Post subject:

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What matters most is the fact that the two sides have to bolster understanding and trust toward each other.

I agree with CC's analysis of the speech.

I just want to add that the sentence quoted above is the one that scares me. Anytime my Korean friends say, "Please understand me/her/him" it means: Give up what you think and surrender to my/her/his opinion.

All of this summit business reminds me of the Nixon campaign in '72. After his promise of a secret way to end the war in '68, we were still at war when '72 came around. Just in case the bugging of Dem headquarters and the rest of the Watergate shenanigans hadn't worked, Nixon had Kissinger come out in October and say "Peace is at hand". It was a cynical, blatant attempt to manipulate the electorate. Roh's summit looks to be the current Korean example of the same naked ploy to curry votes.

One site even has talk of the Dear Leader showing up on Jeju-do just before the election. I wouldn't put it past him and Roh.

There have been a lot of signs that Koreans have matured politically since 2002. I hope it's true.

I'm all for engagement rather than confrontation, but engagement is only successful when both sides are serious. The engagement between the two Germanies did nothing to ease tensions between East and West until the Soviets got a leader who was a reformer. Nothing I've seen since KJI came to power in '94 has indicated he wants anything but the surrender of the South.

The Uri Dang are blinded by their idealism. (Or else they are traitors to their country.)

Typhoon

Joined: 29 May 2007
Location: Daejeon

Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 2:30 pm Post subject:

I have long heard from my Korean family that the Uri-dang is full of North Korean spies that were planted in the South (families that were planted in the 50's, 60s, and 70's). In fact most of them moved to the United States shortly after Noh was elected because they were sure he would facilitate the downfall of South Korea in one way or another. I thought they were totally crazy for saying this, but having seen what Noh has done while in office and the latest with the summit I think they may be kind of right (I still think that they were really over reacting though). It makes no sense that Noh would go to North Korea during the biggest military drill of the year for Korea. He is the commander and chief afterall. Should he not be in the country? Why would he leave during the drill? Why wouldn't he say let's wait a day or two, I have a job that I have to do here? It is just really wierd timing to job ship to North Korea during the drill. I know my Korean family are all thinking something bad is going to happen anytime now. Maybe my family as made me paranoid or I am turning into a conspiracy theory guy, but it seems that Noh could be a North Korean agent or be working with some agents. The timing of the summit just feels all wrong to me.

SHANE02

Joined: 04 Jun 2003

Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 6:03 pm Post subject:

wo buxihuan hanguoren wrote:

Good rant. The sooner that clown is out of the White, I mean, Blue House the better.

The big thing now in the media is which car will he be driven in to PyeongYang, a Merc or a Beemer...

Why not a Korean car? Smile

cbclark4

Joined: 20 Aug 2006
Location: Masan

Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 7:08 pm Post subject:

wo buxihuan hanguoren wrote:

Good rant. The sooner that clown is out of the White, I mean, Blue House the better.

The big thing now in the media is which car will he be driven in to PyeongYang, a Merc or a Beemer...

I vote for the the Mercury!

Col.Brandon

Joined: 09 Aug 2004
Location: Seoul

Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 9:13 pm Post subject:

cbclark4 wrote:

I vote for the the Mercury!

They were going to use Mercuries but they had to recall them when they were found to contain too high a level of fish.

Ya-ta Boy

Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 12:26 am Post subject:

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Should he not be in the country? Why would he leave during the drill? Why wouldn't he say let's wait a day or two,

Not to worry. Someone else thought somewhat the same, so they cancelled most of the military exercise. Yes, cancelled it.

It is more than likely that the summit was scheduled in late August BECAUSE that is when the exercise was scheduled, and therefore would be cancelled. The Norks may be creeps, but they are good negotiators. The Uri Dang may be full of creeps, but they are good at surrendering.

Typhoon

Joined: 29 May 2007
Location: Daejeon

Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 4:03 am Post subject:

Clearly Roh has done a terrible job over the past 4 and a half years. Why start doing a good job now. Here is a good article on the failures of President Roh. Funny.

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Roh`s Uri party passes into political history

The Uri Party, launched in 2003 by President Roh Moo-hyun and liberal-minded politicians, will close its doors today amid rock-bottom popularity.

Going against its initial pledge to last for 100 years, the embattled pro-government party plans to launch a new party with its former and current legislators during the run-up to the December presidential race.

Uri members are scheduled to approve a merger with the United New Democratic Party, dominated by an Uri splinter group to create what would be the nation`s largest parliamentary group.

"It is all our fault that the Uri Party came to an end today. We deeply regret that we lacked efforts to go along with people and win their hearts," Uri floor leader Chang Young-dal said in the last meeting of ranking Uri officials.

Uri leader Chung Sye-kyun also admitted that the Uri Party lost public trust by failing to resolve economic problems such as a widening gap between haves and have-nots and the nation`s exorbitant home prices, among others.

The deeply unpopular president is also widely viewed as a liability for the party`s failure.

The Uri Party was created four years ago when Roh royalists quit the Democratic Party, the country`s leading liberal political force founded by former president Kim Dae-jung. With the Uri Party, they called for an end to regional animosities.

With Roh`s victory, Uri rose to become the nation`s largest parliamentary bloc in 2004 after retaining 153 seats.

Recently, it accounts for only about half the parliament since over 70 Uri have legislators jumped ship this year.

The Uri Party and its breakaway group have for months struggled to reunite with the DP, to no avail.

Roh also quit the party amid pressure from Uri dissenters who are struggling to distance themselves from the unpopular president.

Sohn Hak-kyu, the front-running liberal presidential contender formerly affiliated with the conservative Grand National Party, is likely to join the new party.

Soh and other liberal contenders lag far behind two GNP presidential candidates, former Seoul Mayor Lee Myung-bak and former GNP Chairwoman Park Geun-hye.

safeblad

Joined: 17 Jul 2006

Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 4:36 am Post subject:

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Summer Wine

Joined: 20 Mar 2005
Location: Next to a River

Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 5:01 pm Post subject:

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I have long heard from my Korean family that the Uri-dang is full of North Korean spies that were planted in the South (families that were planted in the 50's, 60s, and 70's).

I saw a memorial to a battle in 1948 in Yeosu between leftists and nationalists in which the nationalists were originally defeated before reattacking. I read what it said and it seemed that Yeosu was a stronghold for leftists/ communists in the late 1940's.

I would be surprised if all of them were killed so it would not surprise me if there are still people in Korea who have a strong leftist belief recieved from their family.

I guess what I am saying is that it doesn't all have to be the work of North Korean spys, there are probably a few peole who still want the North to win here in the South.

doggyji

Joined: 21 Feb 2006
Location: Toronto - Hamilton - Vineland - St. Catherines

Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 5:54 pm Post subject:

Haha, funny. Very Happy

jaganath69 wrote:

Taken in context though, This kind of bilge is for domestic consumption. Kind of like a hand job to the masses on Independence Day.

My thought, too. If the audience were different, then some considerable changes in the script would've occurred for sure.

Captain Corea

Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul

Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 6:19 pm Post subject:

doggyji wrote:

Haha, funny. Very Happy

jaganath69 wrote:

Taken in context though, This kind of bilge is for domestic consumption. Kind of like a hand job to the masses on Independence Day.

My thought, too. If the audience were different, then some considerable changes in the script would've occurred for sure.

That's what confused me about the start of this speech. He does not only address citizens, but overseas and North Koreans as well. I have to wonder if he honestly thought this would get to them.

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