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thepeel
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I hate islam. Yes.
I posted the relevant parts of the article, as I saw them.
I'm sure many cabbies won't want to take a blind dude for various reasons. But only muslims will use religion. And only muslims will find their barbarism "tolerated". I hope you see that difference. As soon as their intolerance is cloaked in religion, it is then required of us to tolerate it. The fact that the is even being debated is very welcome and a sign of how this is all changing.
I sense no clash coming to Canada. We are far too rednecked to allow even 10% the nonsense that Europe does. But I want 0%. Leave your koran at the gate please. |
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Adventurer
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I hate islam. Yes.
I posted the relevant parts of the article, as I saw them.
I'm sure many cabbies won't want to take a blind dude for various reasons. But only muslims will use religion. And only muslims will find their barbarism "tolerated". I hope you see that difference. As soon as their intolerance is cloaked in religion, it is then required of us to tolerate it. The fact that the is even being debated is very welcome and a sign of how this is all changing.
I sense no clash coming to Canada. We are far too rednecked to allow even 10% the nonsense that Europe does. But I want 0%. Leave your koran at the gate please. |
BJWD, all that said the poster had a point that you should present us with all the facts, not just part of it. That isn't fair when you only give part of the story that the blind man is presenting. He has dealt with discrimination through and through. That is very serious that a blind man has been discriminated against and that is lost somewhat by this focus on the Muslim worrying about his taxi being dirty by having a dog in there..
I suppose he is still entitled to his beliefs somewhat. I don't like that he didn't pick up the man, but if the company has the policy that he must stay there until another car comes, then that might be okay. Did the guy wait around like he was supposed to? |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 10:46 am Post subject: |
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| I'm sure many cabbies won't want to take a blind dude for various reasons. But only muslims will use religion. |
The Muslim cabbie wasn't refusing to pick up blind people qua blind people, he was refusing to pick up people with dogs. That's not quite the same thing.
BJWD:
I'd be curious to know what you think about so-called "conscience clauses", which allow medical personnel to opt out of performing abortions for reasons of personal morality. Several American states have them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscience_Clause_(medical) |
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Don Gately
Joined: 20 Mar 2006
Location: In a basement taking a severe beating
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| Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 10:56 am Post subject: |
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Much as I'm loath to get on the side of our conservative board members here, I have to say that the muslim cab driver had a choice when he decided whether or not to work for a cab company.
I don't take jobs that involve clubbing baby seals because it goes against my morals. Once I accept the position, it's up to me to fulfill the duties. If you want to sacrifice money for morality you make that choice *before* you go into the line of work; you don't impose your morality on your customers.
Having said that, I now call on Tony Baloney, BJWD, et. al to take a similar stance on pharmacists who refuse to prescribe birth control or the morning after pill to customers because it's against their religion. Let's all have fun watching them wriggle out of applying the same standards to Christian extremists that they did to Muslim extremists. |
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sundubuman
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 11:45 am Post subject: |
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Much as I'm loath to get on the side of our conservative board members here, I have to say that the muslim cab driver had a choice when he decided whether or not to work for a cab company.
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There is hope for western civilization.....and the oppressed in the MuslimWorld who are relying on our backbone........ |
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Don Gately
Joined: 20 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 11:49 am Post subject: |
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Much as I'm loath to get on the side of our conservative board members here, I have to say that the muslim cab driver had a choice when he decided whether or not to work for a cab company.
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There is hope for western civilization.....and the oppressed in the MuslimWorld who are relying on our backbone........ |
Sundubman, does this mean you're going to be the first to take me up on my dare to condemn those pharmacists? |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm sure many cabbies won't want to take a blind dude for various reasons. But only muslims will use religion. |
The Muslim cabbie wasn't refusing to pick up blind people qua blind people, he was refusing to pick up people with dogs. That's not quite the same thing.
BJWD:
I'd be curious to know what you think about so-called "conscience clauses", which allow medical personnel to opt out of performing abortions for reasons of personal morality. Several American states have them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscience_Clause_(medical) |
I suppose if the cab driver said in a very polite way that he regrets he cannot pick him up, because of his religious beliefs, but he would be glad to call another cab and wait per company policies until the other cab arrived. Of course, that would still upset you if you happen to be the blind man. I don't like his refusal, but I understand it. I think it is important that you highlighted that the cabbie doesn't seem to be a bad person, and he would have picked him up if he was simply a fellow with a cane. Did the fellow tell the company he had a dog? He could have done that and saved himself the grief... |
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koon_taung_daeng
Joined: 28 Jan 2007
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| if any idiot isint willing to compromise with his religion he should be KILLED |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 8:34 am Post subject: |
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| Don Gately wrote: |
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Much as I'm loath to get on the side of our conservative board members here, I have to say that the muslim cab driver had a choice when he decided whether or not to work for a cab company.
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There is hope for western civilization.....and the oppressed in the MuslimWorld who are relying on our backbone........ |
Sundubman, does this mean you're going to be the first to take me up on my dare to condemn those pharmacists? |
Yes, fans of ethical consistency everywhere are waiting with bated breath! |
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riverboy
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| Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 2:24 pm Post subject: |
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| I used to work in a restaraunt and I almost came to blows with one of the managers for trying to refuse a blind man and his seing eye dog. There was no religon involved, but he said it was dirty. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 7:04 am Post subject: |
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Much as I'm loath to get on the side of our conservative board members here, I have to say that the muslim cab driver had a choice when he decided whether or not to work for a cab company.
I don't take jobs that involve clubbing baby seals because it goes against my morals. Once I accept the position, it's up to me to fulfill the duties. If you want to sacrifice money for morality you make that choice *before* you go into the line of work; you don't impose your morality on your customers.
Having said that, I now call on Tony Baloney, BJWD, et. al to take a similar stance on pharmacists who refuse to prescribe birth control or the morning after pill to customers because it's against their religion. Let's all have fun watching them wriggle out of applying the same standards to Christian extremists that they did to Muslim extremists. |
As far as I know, Christian fundamentalist pharmacists plying their wares in Muslim countries have not yet become a source of controversy.
Let me know when they hit Al-Jazeera with their discriminatory practices. In the meantime, try to stick to the topic. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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Regarding the pharmacist's, they must first obey the laws of the land. If the laws say you must dispense then they must. If the laws say it is their choice, then it is their choice.
Related, in Canada, discriminating against individuals due to their disabilities is against the law. If we live in a new country where all the warm and fuzzy stuff I was taught has been jettisoned in favor of keeping the muslims peaceful, then I'd like an official email from Harper confirming this. |
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Tony_Balony
Joined: 12 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Having said that, I now call on Tony Baloney, BJWD, et. al to take a similar stance on pharmacists who refuse to prescribe birth control or the morning after pill to customers because it's against their religion. Let's all have fun watching them wriggle out of applying the same standards to Christian extremists that they did to Muslim extremists. |
Ok - Christian phamacists need to obey the law. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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| Having said that, I now call on Tony Baloney, BJWD, et. al to take a similar stance on pharmacists who refuse to prescribe birth control or the morning after pill to customers because it's against their religion. Let's all have fun watching them wriggle out of applying the same standards to Christian extremists that they did to Muslim extremists. |
Ok - Christian phamacists need to obey the law. |
Yes, but what about those Christians who lobby to get the laws changed so as to be able to legally avoid certain workplace duties? This is what I was getting at when I mentioned the "conscience clauses" earlier.
Under the usual legal regimes, an employer is justified in firing someone who refuses to do something that is considered part of his job. However, in some places in the USA, medical personnel with an opposition to abortion have succeeded in getting exemptions from this general rule, in the form of conscience clauses. Thus, if you say that you're morally opposed to abortion, the hospital loses its usual right to fire you.
So, it's not a question of Christians disobeying the law, because the law has been written to allow that sort of special treatment. Rather, the question is whether anti-abortionists should have been given the special exemptions in the first place. What are your thoughts on this? |
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The_Conservative
Joined: 15 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Having said that, I now call on Tony Baloney, BJWD, et. al to take a similar stance on pharmacists who refuse to prescribe birth control or the morning after pill to customers because it's against their religion. Let's all have fun watching them wriggle out of applying the same standards to Christian extremists that they did to Muslim extremists. |
Ok - Christian phamacists need to obey the law. |
Yes, but what about those Christians who lobby to get the laws changed so as to be able to legally avoid certain workplace duties? This is what I was getting at when I mentioned the "conscience clauses" earlier.
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Then that's fine. In a democracy if you don't like the laws you are perfectly entitled to lobby and attempt to change them whether you are Christian, Muslim or worshippers of the Great Pink Unicorn. |
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