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just another day
Joined: 12 Jul 2007
Location: Living with the Alaskan Inuits!!
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You're coming to Seoul right? Tell ya what, any time you figure you want to say *beep* like this to someone's face, give me a PM. I'll make sure you have the chance to say all that tripe in person.
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actually it is a common stereotype. is it true you ask? i think it is. does it offend someone? i guess it could.
would i say it to someone's face? well, the thing is that its WESTERN teachers that have told me this. and korean girls have said the same thing about girls that do.
would i say it to anyone's face? absolutely. would i be okay if they tried to start a fight? absolutely. are there exceptions? im sure there are, but not enough exceptions for me to give the benefit of the doubt without delving further.
do I have to be in korea to say it to someone's face? absolutely not.
anyone who wants to see me say it to their face in LA (right now) give me a pm. no need in trying to let time cool off anger. its better to let the sparks fly. thats my opinion anyways. hey, if its the truth im fighting for, why not?  |
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just another day
Joined: 12 Jul 2007
Location: Living with the Alaskan Inuits!!
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| Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 1:42 pm Post subject: |
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| The dating options are much easier for the men. So I'd say the men. |
I'd say the same for this reason. Most Koreans could care less if their daughter dates a whitey, because daughters are curses to many Korean families. Sons on the other hand, especially only sons are mommy and popsy's pride and joy. He is an angel in their eyes, especially if he hands over his pay to them every month, and they give him an allowance like he's 10 years old. So, foreign girls who are fat and ugly can hardly get dates, and the foriegn girls who get told they are pretty still can hardly get dates, because many Korean men simply won't date you, for the above mentioned reasons. So fat/skinny, ugly/pretty, foreign women are screwed...just not in the way they hoped they would be. |
uhh... what? in my experiences, i have seem more korean guys marry white girls than korean girls marry white guys. (4 vs. 0) and all of them are in america.  |
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just another day
Joined: 12 Jul 2007
Location: Living with the Alaskan Inuits!!
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| Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 1:43 pm Post subject: Re: Are Women Teachers Happier than Men Teachers in Korea? |
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| just another day wrote: |
| Roch wrote: |
| just another day wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
| just another day wrote: |
Or is it just dave's ESL?
It seems that the posters on Dave's ESL, the women are happier than the men are.
But perhaps dave's esl does not represent the majority of teachers in Korea. maybe dave's just attracts unhappy people, who happen to be male.
your thoughts? |
How many teachers do you know in Korea JAD? How many do you talk to on a regular basis?
If you lived in korea and talked with a few, I'm guessing you'd quickly realize that Dave's is not the best representative portion. |
yeah it is not the best representative portion, i agree.
(which is why i brought in the compton jury duty argument) |
Do you hate us? |
hmm... it depends on the atmosphere of the forum. |
Do you usually report back to the fightin44s (or whatever angry AA forum you post on) about the rise you get out of people here? |
genghis khan does not yet have any sons.  |
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just another day
Joined: 12 Jul 2007
Location: Living with the Alaskan Inuits!!
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| Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 1:45 pm Post subject: Re: Are Women Teachers Happier than Men Teachers in Korea? |
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| just another day wrote: |
Or is it just dave's ESL?
It seems that the posters on Dave's ESL, the women are happier than the men are.
But perhaps dave's esl does not represent the majority of teachers in Korea. maybe dave's just attracts unhappy people, who happen to be male.
your thoughts? |
Just Another, I would say yes, (foreign) women teachers do seem generally happier than (foreign) men teachers in Korea. And on Dave's ESL Cafe. However, I don't think this has so much to do with there being more male FTs than female FTs in Korea, or what kind of foreigners come to Korea, or post on Dave's ESL Cafe, etc.
Rather, I'd say it's mostly due to teaching (esp. young students) simply being a natural fit for women -- wherever they are -- more so than for men. By and large. It brings out women's natural mothering, nurturing, protective instincts. Just like nursing, cooking and topless dancing do. Women find that work more satisfying, they're generally better at it, and so naturally they do a lot less griping.
It's all part of the Creator's will, the grand scheme of things. |
yeah, i would say women are better more nurturing teachers than men. when i was teaching SAT, man, i was pretty strict... i dunno about the nurturing approach. but i guess i was more nurturing to guy troublemaker types, and girls who had the ability to be good at math, but lacked confidence. |
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jessie-b
Joined: 17 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 2:16 pm Post subject: Re: Are Women Teachers Happier than Men Teachers in Korea? |
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| JongnoGuru wrote: |
| just another day wrote: |
Or is it just dave's ESL?
It seems that the posters on Dave's ESL, the women are happier than the men are.
But perhaps dave's esl does not represent the majority of teachers in Korea. maybe dave's just attracts unhappy people, who happen to be male.
your thoughts? |
Just Another, I would say yes, (foreign) women teachers do seem generally happier than (foreign) men teachers in Korea. And on Dave's ESL Cafe. However, I don't think this has so much to do with there being more male FTs than female FTs in Korea, or what kind of foreigners come to Korea, or post on Dave's ESL Cafe, etc.
Rather, I'd say it's mostly due to teaching (esp. young students) simply being a natural fit for women -- wherever they are -- more so than for men. By and large. It brings out women's natural mothering, nurturing, protective instincts. Just like nursing, cooking and topless dancing do. Women find that work more satisfying, they're generally better at it, and so naturally they do a lot less griping.
It's all part of the Creator's will, the grand scheme of things. |
Yeah, and CLEANING, don't forget CLEANING. We're good at that too. And you don't even have to pay us! We're also good at listening, pouring drinks, and giving backrubs and undivided attention. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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Regarding the crappier dating scene for women:
1) I've never heard any woman rave about the dating scene anywhere. Korea is just more of the same. In fact, I've never heard a woman complain about the dating scene in Korea in the first place.
2) The women I know are more than happy to go a year or two without as long as they're getting something done with their lives. Paying down massive debt when you're 24 is better than having a guy on your arm.
3) If women need a bit of the ol' ride 'em skipper, yeeee ha, watch out because here comes the duke they can go to Itaewon and find a GI. |
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Bondgirl
Joined: 26 May 2007
Location: in my Aston Martin
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| Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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| The only reason I'd hook up with a GI would be so I could get access to the supermarket on the base. |
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endo
Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home
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| Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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| just another day wrote: |
| princess wrote: |
| endo wrote: |
| The dating options are much easier for the men. So I'd say the men. |
I'd say the same for this reason. Most Koreans could care less if their daughter dates a whitey, because daughters are curses to many Korean families. Sons on the other hand, especially only sons are mommy and popsy's pride and joy. He is an angel in their eyes, especially if he hands over his pay to them every month, and they give him an allowance like he's 10 years old. So, foreign girls who are fat and ugly can hardly get dates, and the foriegn girls who get told they are pretty still can hardly get dates, because many Korean men simply won't date you, for the above mentioned reasons. So fat/skinny, ugly/pretty, foreign women are screwed...just not in the way they hoped they would be. |
uhh... what? in my experiences, i have seem more korean guys marry white girls than korean girls marry white guys. (4 vs. 0) and all of them are in america. |
Perhaps it's because you're in America.
In Korea at least the far majority of caucasian/Korean marriages/relationships are between Korean women and caucasian men. But I don't really have any facts to back that up, so..... But that's my general impression. |
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just another day
Joined: 12 Jul 2007
Location: Living with the Alaskan Inuits!!
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| Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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| endo wrote: |
| just another day wrote: |
| princess wrote: |
| endo wrote: |
| The dating options are much easier for the men. So I'd say the men. |
I'd say the same for this reason. Most Koreans could care less if their daughter dates a whitey, because daughters are curses to many Korean families. Sons on the other hand, especially only sons are mommy and popsy's pride and joy. He is an angel in their eyes, especially if he hands over his pay to them every month, and they give him an allowance like he's 10 years old. So, foreign girls who are fat and ugly can hardly get dates, and the foriegn girls who get told they are pretty still can hardly get dates, because many Korean men simply won't date you, for the above mentioned reasons. So fat/skinny, ugly/pretty, foreign women are screwed...just not in the way they hoped they would be. |
uhh... what? in my experiences, i have seem more korean guys marry white girls than korean girls marry white guys. (4 vs. 0) and all of them are in america. |
Perhaps it's because you're in America.
In Korea at least the far majority of caucasian/Korean marriages/relationships are between Korean women and caucasian men. But I don't really have any facts to back that up, so..... But that's my general impression. |
oh okay. i am just talking from personal experience too. i only knew one in korea, and he was kind of strange, and i didn't see his wife, but people told me that she was weird and kind of ugly. but who knows, maybe she was a good catch and won't want to return to korea after living abroad (like 99% of korean women who go overseas) |
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mikowee
Joined: 03 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 6:11 pm Post subject: Re: Are Women Teachers Happier than Men Teachers in Korea? |
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| just another day wrote: |
Or is it just dave's ESL?
It seems that the posters on Dave's ESL, the women are happier than the men are.
But perhaps dave's esl does not represent the majority of teachers in Korea. maybe dave's just attracts unhappy people, who happen to be male.
your thoughts? |
My thoughts? I'm wondering how you managed nearly 600 posts in just over a month. And you don't even live here. |
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just another day
Joined: 12 Jul 2007
Location: Living with the Alaskan Inuits!!
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| Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 6:16 pm Post subject: Re: Are Women Teachers Happier than Men Teachers in Korea? |
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| mikowee wrote: |
| just another day wrote: |
Or is it just dave's ESL?
It seems that the posters on Dave's ESL, the women are happier than the men are.
But perhaps dave's esl does not represent the majority of teachers in Korea. maybe dave's just attracts unhappy people, who happen to be male.
your thoughts? |
My thoughts? I'm wondering how you managed nearly 600 posts in just over a month. And you don't even live here. |
yes korea is a country susceptible to foreign influences.  |
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nateium
Joined: 21 Aug 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 12:09 am Post subject: |
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| endo wrote: |
| just another day wrote: |
| princess wrote: |
| endo wrote: |
| The dating options are much easier for the men. So I'd say the men. |
I'd say the same for this reason. Most Koreans could care less if their daughter dates a whitey, because daughters are curses to many Korean families. Sons on the other hand, especially only sons are mommy and popsy's pride and joy. He is an angel in their eyes, especially if he hands over his pay to them every month, and they give him an allowance like he's 10 years old. So, foreign girls who are fat and ugly can hardly get dates, and the foriegn girls who get told they are pretty still can hardly get dates, because many Korean men simply won't date you, for the above mentioned reasons. So fat/skinny, ugly/pretty, foreign women are screwed...just not in the way they hoped they would be. |
uhh... what? in my experiences, i have seem more korean guys marry white girls than korean girls marry white guys. (4 vs. 0) and all of them are in america. |
Perhaps it's because you're in America.
In Korea at least the far majority of caucasian/Korean marriages/relationships are between Korean women and caucasian men. But I don't really have any facts to back that up, so..... But that's my general impression. |
I can't understand Korean well enough to find out where this research came from, but it's interesting anyway...
http://www.toronsil.com/technote6/board.php?board=englishdebate&page=8&command=body&no=150
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The latest data of the National Statistical Office (NSO) revealed that 25,658 Koreans tied the knot in the country with foreigners last year. It was reported that interracial marriages took up 8.4% out of a total of 3,049,000 registered marriages in 2003.
The interracial marriages in 2003 have been increased by 61% compared with that of the previous year. The outstanding features of the current interracial marriage is that the number of Korean men, who are seeking foreign women to marry, than before.
The statistics of NSO revealed that 6,444 Korean women married foreign men last year. Out of them, Japanese men were the top choice of husbands. Over 40%, equivalent to 2,613 Korean women, took on Japanese spouses, while 1,237 Korean women married Americans. The third most popular race Korean women chose was Chinese, with 1,199 tying the knot. Following in order are Canadian, Bangladeshi, Pakistani, Australian, and German male spouses.
This statistical data indicated obviously that Japanese and American men are the two top choices for foreign husbands and most of Korean women who choose interracial marriages either want someone very similar or someone completely different from their own kind.
However, the situation is very different for Korea�s male population. Korean male population seems to prefer Asian foreign spouses. NSO�s statistical data also show that 19,214 Korean men were registered in interracial marriage last year. Out of them, a whopping 69.6%, equivalent to 13,373 Korean men, took on Chinese wives, while 1,403 Korean men tied the knot with Vietnamese women and only 1,242 Korean men married Japanese women. Filipino women were in fourth place followed by Thai, Uzbek, Mongolian, and Russian. |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interracial_marriage#Asian_and_White
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edit] Asian and White
Marriages between whites and Asians are becoming increasingly common (Lange, 2005). In the US, about 69 percent of married Asian women are married to Asian men, while 25 percent of married Asian women have white husbands. [3] As a whole, the number of Asian female and white male marriages (including East Asians, South Asians, Southeast Asians, non-citizens and immigrants) are 3.0 times more than the reverse. [1] However, C.N. Le [4] estimated that the gender gap is smaller among the American-born or 1.5 generation Asian Americans. Asian Americans of both genders who are U.S.-raised are much more likely to be married with whites than their non-U.S.-raised counterparts. Not all Asian ethnicities have similar intermarriage patterns, for instance, Asian Indians were more endogamous, while Japanese Americans, Filipino Americans, and other East Asians had higher outmarriage to whites.[4] A 2001 U.S. national survey indicated that 24% of the respondents disapprove of marriage with an Asian American, second only to African Americans at 34%.[5] |
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nateium
Joined: 21 Aug 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 12:13 am Post subject: |
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But who says marriage is any indication of happiness?  |
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Atavistic
Joined: 22 May 2006
Location: How totally stupid that Korean doesn't show in this area.
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| Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 12:21 am Post subject: |
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| The third most popular race Korean women chose was Chinese, with 1,199 tying the knot. |
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I didn't know Chinese was a race. Maybe this should go under the Sapir-Whorf thread. (I know you didn't write this, Nateium.) |
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nateium
Joined: 21 Aug 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 12:38 am Post subject: |
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| Atavistic wrote: |
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| The third most popular race Korean women chose was Chinese, with 1,199 tying the knot. |
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I didn't know Chinese was a race. Maybe this should go under the Sapir-Whorf thread. (I know you didn't write this, Nateium.) |
The article was from a Korean research paper translated into English by Koreans. Some Korean thinking perhaps in the translation process? "Race" isn't really a scientifically sound concept anyway.
Maybe they could have said ethnicity? I can see how it would be a bit hard for a non-native speaker to get accross the concept of an indigenous historically homogenized population group, identifiable only through a limited set of specific genetic markers.
China has quite a few distinct groups like this. Han, Manchus, etc.... |
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